Stephen King's The Stand - Werewolf

Phil WW · 31-03-2020 11:24AM

So I'm giving last night a proper read back and a couple of things worth pointing out.

At 21:02 just after voting was closed Frank doubts the wolves forming a wagon this lynch.

Frank WW wrote: »

Wouid wolves chance a wagon without knowing how vote counts will be published?

I would of thought it harder for them to plan this lynch without knowing for sure so would it be mad to think they might of spread out their votes?

After results he says it looks bad for voters, explains his reasoning but says he didn't think she was up for the chop. If you vote for someone Frank surely it's because you want the dead or else what's the point in voting at all so why say then that you didn't think it would happen?

Frank WW wrote: »

F**k.

That looks bad for the people who voted Emily... I only voted for her because of our earlier altercation but I didn’t think she was up for the chop.

Reiterating his doubt on the wolves forming a wagon for this vote. Why are you so convinced there's no wagon when you're in the biggest once which led to an RV being killed?

Frank WW wrote: »

Hmm, I really don’t think wolves had a wagon in this vote. They prob presumed we would get results as is and as I said , I think they more then likely kept it nice and spread with no more then 2 in a target.

Anybody else want to explain their Emily vote? I thought she was setting me up earlier when she said she couldn’t find Steve’s 4th post, which was quiet easy to find.

Then I noticed Desmond stating he thinks Regan is the diffuser.

Desmond WW wrote: »

I'm thinking that Regan is the defuser, either that or a wolf.
Come on Regan spill the beans.

Again states the same, Regan as diffuser.

Desmond WW wrote: »

Now I'll admit I'm a bit biased here. But as stated, I think Regan may be the Defuser but. If he was and he then "tried" to defuse the bomb on his own neck and then was told he had succeeded. Well that would explain why he knew the bomb was on his neck and it would explain why we both survived. But why am I then Flagg?

If the defuser defuses the bomb on his own neck then the other person can be anyone and the bomb still doesn't go off it being defused and all that.

Happy with Regan being the diffuser

Desmond WW wrote: »

The chances of the defuser picking the right target are 50-50. The chances that the bomb was on Randall's neck was 24-1.

Added to that the fact that Regan claimed knowledge of the bombs I'm happy he was the defuser.

Then straight out asks is Regan the diffuser. Why Desmond would you repeatedly out someone who you believed to be a RV and then come right out and ask them on thread? Thinking stuff like that is best kept to yourself, it's good knowledge for you to have but not only are you giving that information to the wolves but the TCM too.

Desmond WW wrote: »

Are you the Defuser tho?

This also brings up the question of why Regan wasn't targetted this morning? Nigel didn't really give anything away to point towards him being the diffuser but Regan alluded to it in ways and Desmond pointed it out multiple times so why is it that Regan is still alive and Nigel was the one munched. Regan either your getting set up in a major way or you're a wolf and had your own votes manipulated to make it look like you're being set up

Wendy WW · 31-03-2020 11:25AM

Eva WW wrote: »

If TCM now know who Flagg is then they’re gonna have to get them lynched. Something to remember as the game goes on and Flagg dies but TCM still alive. You gonna save your super explosive bomb for that one, you pyromaniac?

If Flagg is lynched then TCM can be killed?

Gertrude WW · 31-03-2020 11:26AM

Wendy WW wrote: »

If Flagg is lynched then TCM can be killed?

Lynched or vigged. Flagg can't die from a TCM bomb.

Frank WW · 31-03-2020 11:28AM

Green&Red wrote: »

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT:

Both Regan WW and Desmond WW have had bombs strapped to them. One is real and one is fake.

Unless defused by 9pm the real bomb will explode.

Green&Red wrote: »

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT:

There was a spark. There was a BIG spark.

KABOOOOOM!

Gertrude WW has had a bomb strapped to them. It may be real or fake.

Unless defused by 9pm a real bomb will explode.

I could be wrong but could that be that first bomb was put on Nigel and it blew up straight away? That is that Nigel got the real bomb?

Alternatively it was Randall and it blew up.

Have to say, if Gertie survives tonight the SK has had a fairly rough deal so far....

Phil WW · 31-03-2020 11:29AM

Katie WW wrote: »

Look I haven't been around so I'm going off work other people have done. I commented on the theory and I've kept reading and I'm finding more. It's as solid as I can come up with today so there you go.

She doesn't have to be on your radar for her to want to pocket you.

I didn't realise it to be honest I saw her posting about the interaction and missed it was someone else's.

I haven't been around!! I've been able to check in twice all day and have done speed reads to try catch up. You have unrealistic expectations on how much time I can give this game right now.

In response to this Katie you're not giving me much to reply to. You were busy and haven't been around. My same thoughts still apply but I have nothing more to question for the time being so I'll have to see how today goes

Regan WW · 31-03-2020 11:32AM

Phil WW wrote: »

So I'm giving last night a proper read back and a couple of things worth pointing out.

At 21:02 just after voting was closed Frank doubts the wolves forming a wagon this lynch.

After results he says it looks bad for voters, explains his reasoning but says he didn't think she was up for the chop. If you vote for someone Frank surely it's because you want the dead or else what's the point in voting at all so why say then that you didn't think it would happen?

Reiterating his doubt on the wolves forming a wagon for this vote. Why are you so convinced there's no wagon when you're in the biggest once which led to an RV being killed?

Then I noticed Desmond stating he thinks Regan is the diffuser.

Again states the same, Regan as diffuser.

Happy with Regan being the diffuser

Then straight out asks is Regan the diffuser. Why Desmond would you repeatedly out someone who you believed to be a RV and then come right out and ask them on thread? Thinking stuff like that is best kept to yourself, it's good knowledge for you to have but not only are you giving that information to the wolves but the TCM too.

This also brings up the question of why Regan wasn't targetted this morning? Nigel didn't really give anything away to point towards him being the diffuser but Regan alluded to it in ways and Desmond pointed it out multiple times so why is it that Regan is still alive and Nigel was the one munched. Regan either your getting set up in a major way or you're a wolf and had your own votes manipulated to make it look like you're being set up

I thought there was a solid chance that I'd be dead this morning which is why I said this last night

Regan WW wrote: »

Given that I'm being targeted unmercifully, let's clear a couple of things up just in case the bomb goes off in the morning.

- I am not the diffuser.

- Saying I knew I had the real bomb strapped to me was purely a self preservation thing, hoping the actual diffuser would save me.

- I have received no PM from either of the moderators regarding the bomb situation. You all know as much as I do about that.

I posted this as there was a lot of speculation that I was the defuser and I wanted to clear it all up in case I met my untimely demise so that the village would know which path to take or not to take.

Frank WW · 31-03-2020 11:34AM

Phil WW wrote: »

So I'm giving last night a proper read back and a couple of things worth pointing out.

At 21:02 just after voting was closed Frank doubts the wolves forming a wagon this lynch.

After results he says it looks bad for voters, explains his reasoning but says he didn't think she was up for the chop. If you vote for someone Frank surely it's because you want the dead or else what's the point in voting at all so why say then that you didn't think it would happen?

Reiterating his doubt on the wolves forming a wagon for this vote. Why are you so convinced there's no wagon when you're in the biggest once which led to an RV being killed?

This really amounts to nothing Phil. So I’m a wolf who was part of a bandwagon on Emily and posted just before she was killed that there surely wouldn’t be a wagon? I can’t think of a worse way for a wolf to try and throw people off a scent by saying exactly what they were doing just before a person is killed by that manner.

And it was day 1 Phil. I didn’t necessarily want Emily killed because I wasn’t sure she was bad, she was just my strongest read. I’d be very suspicious of any non seer player who was sure they had a baddy and wanted a played dead yesterday.

An awful lot of fluff nothing in your read there Phil...

Phil WW · 31-03-2020 11:35AM

Nigel WW wrote: »

From OP.

Harold Lauder - The Traitor. Lauder is cunning and deceptive and can manipulate the lynch votes, giving his target a second vote in the lynch.

Harold can only add a vote to who he voted for.

Regan claimed on thread that she voted for Desmond. So Harold has to be one of:
Gertrude
Gabriel
Jake
Frank

Could this have been the post that got Nigel targetted? Worth noting it could be to prevent him from looking further into this list or it could be that he essentially cleared Regan and then made a list of the others. I believe there is a wolf in that list, Regan included but I'm not sure on who just yet so will need to be looked into further

Henry WW · 31-03-2020 11:37AM

Phil WW wrote: »

Could this have been the post that got Nigel targetted? Worth noting it could be to prevent him from looking further into this list or it could be that he essentially cleared Regan and then made a list of the others. I believe there is a wolf in that list, Regan included but I'm not sure on who just yet so will need to be looked into further

Could Gertie have planted the fake bomb on herself and the real one on Nigel - get rid of Nigel and try clear herself

Isla WW · 31-03-2020 11:47AM

Gertrude WW wrote: »

Because when announcement was made, it read like both the SKs bombs were attached to me. GnR then edited to clarify just one was.

So SK may have attempted to attach the other to Flagg OR maybe Nigel was the other target. I'm assuming that TCM has to make his decision on who to target before the munch, so may have had me and Nige as choices but when Nige got munched that bomb was irrelevant.

But the bombs was a typo no? and corrected after.

No idea why there were two bombs in play yesterday and just one today. I can't imagine the SK would waste 2 bombs on one person unless they were just trying to make sure the person died. But maybe that is what happened.

Phil WW · 31-03-2020 11:56AM

Frank WW wrote: »

This really amounts to nothing Phil. So I’m a wolf who was part of a bandwagon on Emily and posted just before she was killed that there surely wouldn’t be a wagon? I can’t think of a worse way for a wolf to try and throw people off a scent by saying exactly what they were doing just before a person is killed by that manner.

And it was day 1 Phil. I didn’t necessarily want Emily killed because I wasn’t sure she was bad, she was just my strongest read. I’d be very suspicious of any non seer player who was sure they had a baddy and wanted a played dead yesterday.

An awful lot of fluff nothing in your read there Phil...

So you're claiming it's TWTBW? Nothing is though, this is the exact sort of play that can be manipulated to by wolves to make themselves look innocent. I'm not saying that's what you're doing but you're far too dismissive of my questioning on the basis that a wolf wouldn't play like that

It was an odd comment to make even on Day1. Oh I voted for her but I didn't think she was going to die, it's just backtracking, at least own it that you voted for her for the reasoning you stated. No need to say you didn't think she would die because why else would you vote for her?

It's not fluff, I'm saying whatever stands out to me. You're just not happy with what I'm saying, there's a difference. Would you rather I just didn't question things?

Gertrude WW · 31-03-2020 11:57AM

Isla WW wrote: »

But the bombs was a typo no? and corrected after.

No idea why there were two bombs in play yesterday and just one today. I can't imagine the SK would waste 2 bombs on one person unless they were just trying to make sure the person died. But maybe that is what happened.

Yes...bombs was a typo. I was explaining the comment I made before the typo had been cleared up about the SK really wanting me dead.
The two bombs yesterday and one today means either the other target is already dead - which I think is what happened OR the other target was Flagg - less likely. In other words there were 2 bombs in play today, but only one target alive/able to be targetted - lucky me eh?

Phil WW · 31-03-2020 12:09PM

I have to go scout for supplies for my household in the real world apocolypse. I'll be back in about and hour with fresh eyes

Frank WW · 31-03-2020 12:24PM

Phil WW wrote: »

So you're claiming it's TWTBW? Nothing is though, this is the exact sort of play that can be manipulated to by wolves to make themselves look innocent. I'm not saying that's what you're doing but you're far too dismissive of my questioning on the basis that a wolf wouldn't play like that

It was an odd comment to make even on Day1. Oh I voted for her but I didn't think she was going to die, it's just backtracking, at least own it that you voted for her for the reasoning you stated. No need to say you didn't think she would die because why else would you vote for her?

It's not fluff, I'm saying whatever stands out to me. You're just not happy with what I'm saying, there's a difference. Would you rather I just didn't question things?

Doubling down on fluff doesn’t serve you well Phil. I don’t mind you questioning it making accusations but you’ve nothing really concrete to go on other then I said something you are trying to make sound dodgy to fit a narrative.

So you think on day 1 , if people are voting for somebody who they aren’t necessarily sure are bad and don’t necessarily want to die, are automatically wolves? Hands up anybody who didn’t necessarily want the person they voted for yesterday to die in the munch...

Considering most of the votes were dispersed, it wouid be reasonable to presume the wolves more then likely kept a wide birth from each other, especially as there was no obvious wagon. Emily was a surprise target, I’d sooner bet that most , if not all of the Emily voters were good. That might be a self serving statement but the logic of how I came to it is sound.

This whole “let’s go after the Emily voters” is a ruse and a waste of time. One of us who voted for her died already and that was a villager. Tell me this Phil, 5 people voted for Emily. It wasn’t clear she was going to be lynched by any stretch. Regan’s vote was added to Emily (if we believe Regan voted Des) which means they wanted Emily dead or attention on Emily or Des. So why would wolves then pile into the person who was being used as bait?

This whole “Emily voters are bad” is Fair game for discussing but I don’t see any real logic being applied to why it makes sense.

Regan WW · 31-03-2020 12:36PM

*Raises hand*

Desmond is actually in my lean village list.

Eva WW · 31-03-2020 12:37PM

I have doubts about the Emily voters too. The one’s that vote for whomever is lynched always get the initial attention. Add in the manipulation vote there and the attention is magnified. So, do the wolves stay clear?

Regan, any idea why your vote for Desmond is listed so far down the timeline? You said way before then that you’d cast that vote but the timeline doesn’t correspond.

Eva WW · 31-03-2020 12:41PM

My head today tells me to look at the single voters. I’ve then looked at all of those who posted this morning up until (but they also posted after) munch. I believe at least one or more baddies would be on thread posting. So, these are who I’ll be looking into today.

Jake EMILY VOTER
Eva SINGLE VOTER
Mary
Oisin
Katie SINGLE VOTER
Gertrude EMILY VOTER
Brendan
Senan
Isla SINGLE VOTER
Henry SINGLE VOTER
Regan SINGLE VOTER
Riona SINGLE VOTER

Senan WW · 31-03-2020 12:44PM

Gertrude WW wrote: »

Yeah, I'm of the opinion it was more likely Nige. I think SK may have suspected Nigel was the defuser and targeted him. Which makes me think I'll definitely go boom unforch. Ah well.

If it’s Nigel you may have gotten the dud. As I mentioned earlier I suspect nigels posts this morning gave him away, in which case he’d have been a key target for tCM

LadySkunk · 31-03-2020 01:00PM

Frank WW wrote: »

Doubling down on fluff doesn’t serve you well Phil. I don’t mind you questioning it making accusations but you’ve nothing really concrete to go on other then I said something you are trying to make sound dodgy to fit a narrative.

So you think on day 1 , if people are voting for somebody who they aren’t necessarily sure are bad and don’t necessarily want to die, are automatically wolves? Hands up anybody who didn’t necessarily want the person they voted for yesterday to die in the munch...

Considering most of the votes were dispersed, it wouid be reasonable to presume the wolves more then likely kept a wide birth from each other, especially as there was no obvious wagon. Emily was a surprise target, I’d sooner bet that most , if not all of the Emily voters were good. That might be a self serving statement but the logic of how I came to it is sound.

This whole “let’s go after the Emily voters” is a ruse and a waste of time. One of us who voted for her died already and that was a villager. Tell me this Phil, 5 people voted for Emily. It wasn’t clear she was going to be lynched by any stretch. Regan’s vote was added to Emily (if we believe Regan voted Des) which means they wanted Emily dead or attention on Emily or Des. So why would wolves then pile into the person who was being used as bait?

This whole “Emily voters are bad” is Fair game for discussing but I don’t see any real logic being applied to why it makes sense.

Oh come on. How many games has there been where there’s nearly always a wolf in the first nights wagon? I would bet there’s one in Emily’s wagon, with Regans extra vote on her so not two needed. Probably one in the other two wagons and two in the outliers, most likely voting for each other.

This will become more clear once we actually start killing them but it always looks something like that. So to completely brush off that there is one in the Emily wagon is madness to me. I’m not saying nobody else should be looked at but that’s my opinion and I’m not changing it because you’re not happy about it.

You’re asking why wolves plural would pile onto Emily but I never said there was more than one and just because one of those voters is dead and turned out to be village does not mean that everyone else is cleared, how are you not seeing that?

Yes I get Day1 lynches are a crapshoot but there was no need to say you didn’t think she was going to die, it just reads as insincere. If Katie died last night and turned out to be a RV I wouldn’t say oh I didn’t think she would die because I voted for her.

How is it a ruse to “go after”? The whole point of this game is to point out and question what stands out to you in hope of figuring out what’s what. Nowhere have I said today right let’s go after this person. I said I think, meaning my opinion is that there is a wolf in either you, Gertrude, Jake or Regan. I also said I didn’t know who yet either and would need to look into it so considering I wasn’t actually “going after” you, I was simply questioning something I in my opinion found suspicious you’re coming across quite defensive

There’s a way to respond to people in this game without being condescending and completely dismissive of what they’re saying

Phil WW · 31-03-2020 01:06PM

LadySkunk wrote: »

Oh come on. How many games has there been where there’s nearly always a wolf in the first nights wagon? I would bet there’s one in Emily’s wagon, with Regans extra vote on her so not two needed. Probably one in the other two wagons and two in the outliers, most likely voting for each other.

This will become more clear once we actually start killing them but it always looks something like that. So to completely brush off that there is one in the Emily wagon is madness to me. I’m not saying nobody else should be looked at but that’s my opinion and I’m not changing it because you’re not happy about it.

You’re asking why wolves plural would pile onto Emily but I never said there was more than one and just because one of those voters is dead and turned out to be village does not mean that everyone else is cleared, how are you not seeing that?

Yes I get Day1 lynches are a crapshoot but there was no need to say you didn’t think she was going to die, it just reads as insincere. If Katie died last night and turned out to be a RV I wouldn’t say oh I didn’t think she would die because I voted for her.

How is it a ruse to “go after”? The whole point of this game is to point out and question what stands out to you in hope of figuring out what’s what. Nowhere have I said today right let’s go after this person. I said I think, meaning my opinion is that there is a wolf in either you, Gertrude, Jake or Regan. I also said I didn’t know who yet either and would need to look into it so considering I wasn’t actually “going after” you, I was simply questioning something I in my opinion found suspicious you’re coming across quite defensive

There’s a way to respond to people in this game without being condescending and completely dismissive of what they’re saying

Crap :rolleyes:

Necro · 31-03-2020 01:06PM

LadySkunk put your pants on please :eek:

Eva WW · 31-03-2020 01:11PM

Necro wrote: »

LadySkunk put your pants on please :eek:

Smelly pants

Eewww

Phil WW · 31-03-2020 01:13PM

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Regan WW · 31-03-2020 01:17PM

Phil WW wrote: »

Amateur.

Derry WW · 31-03-2020 01:34PM

Morning all

Any bit of routine has gone out the window here and I'm only up now. Big hit this morning losing another RV. I've only skimmed through the posts from this morning but hopefully I'll get a chance to go back and have a more thorough read later on.

Frank WW · 31-03-2020 01:35PM

Phil WW wrote: »

Crap :rolleyes:

Wasn’t trying to being condescending apologies if that’s what’s coming across but remember none of us know your leaning., you could just as easily be a wolf trying to paint a narrative. I find that narrative, that you’ve spent a fair bit of time trying to sell, a bit flakey. It’s plausible, but just as plausible as wolves using a vote manipulation against Emily to use against those who voted on Emily.

As a village Is it worthwhile going through another 4 voters of Emily hoping to get 1 wolf or maybe looking in other areas that may yield more wolves with less collateral damage?

Frank WW · 31-03-2020 01:41PM

Derry WW wrote: »

Morning all Any bit of routine has gone out the window here and I'm only up now. Big hit this morning losing another RV. I've only skimmed through the posts from this morning but hopefully I'll get a chance to go back and have a more thorough read later on.

Yeh, I’m trying to get some workout done in back garden, shooting pearls at this schedule.....

Poor old Monty is exhausted...

Winifred WW · 31-03-2020 01:44PM

Did my catch up multiquoting anything I found interesting. This post could be a total mess.

Eva WW wrote: »

If Harold added another vote to Emily via Regan, would the wolf team (in their own names) stay away from that lynch? The votes for the one that is lynched are always scrutinised first. Right now I’d be more suspicious of all the single votes (I’m one of them).

I’ll have to run through the thread again and see who hinted or flat out said they were voting Emily and see if we can gauge if she was looking certain to be lynched.

Did you end up doing the cross reference? Did everyone who said they'd vote Emily vote Emily? Did everyone who voted Emily say they would?

Gertrude WW wrote: »

So yesterday wasn't great but wasn't terrible either.

We learned that bomb targets are announced but if they are defused, it won't (necessarily) be announced. If there is an announcement later then the only explanation for Monday would be that one of the 2 targets was Flagg but honestly I think that's unlikely.
We learned that if Harold uses his vote rigging power, the results of it should show up.
We hopefully learned to be a bit more organised around lynching so we don't lynch another RV.

State of play pre munch Tuesday:

3 Dead:

NRV Steve WW Munched Day 1
ORIGVIG Emily WW Stu Redmann Vig. Lynched Day 1 by Gertrude WW, Gabriel WW, *Regan WW*, Jake WW, Frank WW *Indicates possible manipulated vote
NRV Gabriel WW Shot by TomCullenVig post lynch Day 1

23 Alive
All 5 Wolves
1 SK
5 RVs
12 NRVs

This post came across suuuuper stiff to me. I saw Gertie defend after the post that it was just a helpful state of play. But just come across to me as another effort to look useful while contributing nothing. It was also followed directly by Brendan's suuuuper stiff post below, and honestly they look to me like agreed upon wolf posts. Gertie's not clear just because of the bomb.

Brendan WW wrote: »

Morning.

Another villager down, though I can't be too judgemental at our new vig. I had Gabriel on my radar because of a few things like his first pst in the game being a Randall Flagg gif, and him responding 'Indeed it is' just before yesterday's munch in reply to another poster saying 'It's all about to kick off'. Given how our lynch went, I can't say that I wouldn't have taken that shot myself last night at the end of a bad day.

We're losing numbers but we should bear in mind that we are only 1 RV down, and that role has been apprenticed. Also, none of TCM's bombs exploded on Day 1 so there's that too. Bag a wolf today by lynch or vig and we're on our way back for tomorrow.

A lot of attention will go on the Emily voters, but we shouldn't get blinkered on that for the whole day.

As above. Brendan's post just sounds so rehearsed. Really rubbed me the wrong way.

Riona WW wrote: »

Can we all please try to be a bit more coordinated later today. We need to organize as a village and not let chaos send us awry.

I know I've been of no use so far butt I should have more time today to review and engage.

Riona WW wrote: »

Ah gotcha. Thanks. I would encourage me. MOON to stay his hand as he's more likely to knock off a villager, unless he has extra info.

We need the village pool to stay as big as possible for as long as possible.. Shooting randomers only helps to reduce it for the most part.

Riona WW wrote: »

Have to rush to a meeting, will be active afterwards. good luck village

Do not like the indignant tone off someone who has barely participated! Wolf hiding in low posters who's been lurking the whole time?

Isla WW wrote: »

Something that didn't sit right with me yesterday was a comment that Eva made. ABout true love. It got me thinking she was Nadine.

I've been looking up her quotes. That one was "Superstition, like true love, needs time to grow and reflect upon itself."?

It is a quote from the Stand alright... If all her quotes are tasks she's been doing it since the very very start which seems unlikely.

Options there are:
- TWTBAW
- Baddy, had quote tasks from the start and committed
- Baddy, figured she might get quote tasks later so started early to cover tracks
- ???

I'm currently leaning Eva and Phil good
Gertie, Brendan, Riona bad

Brendan WW · 31-03-2020 01:46PM

A few posters concerning me with lack of contributions and/or strange timing for appearances.

Orla, Derry and Clodagh mostly.

Like holy hell, I didn't even realise there was a Clodagh in the game until I looked at the list of posters there.

Brendan WW · 31-03-2020 01:47PM

Guys, I'm not a newb and not pretending to play dumb, but what is TWTBAW?

Stephen King's The Stand - Werewolf

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