CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Graph from Professor Philip Nolan, Chair of the NPHET Irish Epidemiological Modelling Advisory Group.

60 people turned up to a choir practice in Mt Vernon, Washington for choir practice. 45 have now tested positive for the virus, at least 3 are in IC and two are dead.

No one was coughing or sneezing, which the WHO have been saying would be necessary to create the large droplets they think are needed for transmission.

This incident means the WHO are wrong and that asymptomatic infected people can infect others simply by exhaling fine aerosols, meaning it's essentially airborne transmissible.

Moral of the story, ignore the WHO, they aren't on the ball.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak

is_that_so wrote: »

Not at that time. 20:20 hindsight is no insight.

Not 20-20 hindsight, there was nothing then to support his assertion, he had to know it was erroneous given the suspected date it went wild in Cork (~21-24th Feb.), and then known 40%+ (WHO), unaware infected.

gabeeg wrote: »

There was major outbreaks in Asia at the time.
Italy had over 3,000 known cases when he said that. Spain had over 200. Germany 59 etc etc

It wasn't a matter of hindsight. All that was required was regular sight.

They had that come-to-jesus moment where someone scared the crap out of them. Prior to that they were objectively terrible.

Holohan, given his position, should have been far more knowledgeable and wary of the virus. Instead he was telling us it was grand and there was no threat to Paddy's day.

Whitewash all this if it makes you feel more secure

Gabeeg you must have made a fortune in the last month - given that you foreseen what was coming - betting against the market over last month - be near millionaire....

But I'm guessing that you didn't, and it really is just 20/20 hindsight vision you have.

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Even allowing for the Páirc Uí Chaoimh closure, 11% is still better than we were registering last week (generally 14-18%), should slow further as the impact of the measures to date takes effect.

Re the Pairc Ui Chaoinh closure, does that mean no-one was tested in Cork that day?

I wish they'd give us the number of confirmed cases and total tests. Its hard to identify trends if you don't know how many have been tested.

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

Suicide rates will go through the roof, also alcoholism. More people will die this year from the above than the virus.

That's some pretty quick-onset alcoholism:eek:

rossie1977 wrote: »

Public transport all suspended including private coaches and buses.

Car use prohibited unless in emergency

Forcing people to stay home, only one trip each week by written request. Anyone out without request is either sent home, fined or jailed depending on how times they disobey order.




Army and Gardaí patrolling every town in country

That sort of lockdown or something like we have seen in Italy.

Don’t believe all you see on the news, you do realise that all factories are open in Italy, we actually collect masks there and there tile steel and stone industries are all still working it’s the exact same there as here

bekker wrote: »

Tony Honohan was asked directly for % of doctors infected in Irish health care system, he said he didn't have any figures on that and then segued into a rambling discourse on how health workers could have acquired infection.

I've watched his performances in front of committees over the years and it's a favourite tactic of his when he eiher doesn't have an answer that he could reasonably be expected to have, or he seeks to avoid the logical follow-on.

The journalist referred to a figure of something like 20 -25% of doctors in the NHS being out with the infection. Holohan said he didn't have the figure for Irish doctors but that it is nowhere like this. He had already given the figure for health workers, so obviously doctors are included in this. I don't see it as being a figure he could reasonably be expected to have had to hand - or see a reason to be evasive about it if he had it.
As regards health workers acquiring the infection, we already know that some picked it up on holiday and returned to work with it (unknowingly). It is perfectly plausible that health workers have picked it up in this way directly, or from other health workers who had it - or, indeed, community transmission like anyone else. Also health workers are more likely to get tested than the general public so they would show up disproportionately in the numbers anyway.


This is not to detract in any way from the need for health workers to get PPE.


As regards nursing homes, as they heavily restricted visiting from an early stage (I think against public health advise - I'm not sure?) where do you think the source of nursing home infections lay? We have not been told - It is my surmise that a significant amount was from health workers. Again this is in no way to suggest any blame or to lessen their need for PPE.

Ace2007 wrote: »

Gabeeg you must have made a fortune in the last month - given that you foreseen what was coming - betting against the market over last month - be near millionaire....

But I'm guessing that you didn't, and it really is just 20/20 hindsight vision you have.

He's only stating facts. Plenty on here predicted a spread from Italy and Cheltenham. And thought st patricks day parades going ahead were idiotic. Want me to find the posts from then?

gabeeg wrote: »

“So, we can continue to be able to assure people that the risk of an individual in this country today picking up this infection in the community in Ireland is extremely low.”

Tony Holohan, 4th March

That statement still holds true.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Re the Pairc Ui Chaoinh closure, does that mean no-one was tested in Cork that day?

I wish they'd give us the number of confirmed cases and total tests. Its hard to identify trends if you don't know how many have been tested.

No from what I gathered from the briefing, they were up to date with scheduled tests before closing.

Ace2007 wrote: »

Gabeeg you must have made a fortune in the last month - given that you foreseen what was coming - betting against the market over last month - be near millionaire....

But I'm guessing that you didn't, and it really is just 20/20 hindsight vision you have.

I don't think you are being fair. look back at the earlier threads on this much of what has happened was predicted not with hindsight. Our powers that be were slow off the mark here look at some of their earlier statements. That's not to say they aren't doing what they can now.