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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #902
    timmy_mallet
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    New Home wrote: »
    Right. I just heard something on the news and I'm wondering did I hear it right. Some politician (could've been Coveney, I didn't actually hear who) said we should prepare for more restrictions (and that's understandable). He also said that there should be a verifiable system put in place to quarantine people travelling from Italy and the US. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER COUNTRIES BADLY AFFECTED?? Does Coronavirus have a passport? Is it less deadly depending on its "nationality"? See, provided that I didn't mis-hear, stuff like THIS is what's wrong with how we're going about things. Like the 100 indoors/500 outdoors from the first round of restrictions... 'cause viruses can count! :mad:


    More restrictions = civil unrest.

    There's a reason they only said til 12th April. Because on the 9th, they'll extend it a further two weeks. Already preparing us for it.

    Any announcement of lockdown for 3 months, which i assume is the plan, would be rightly met with outrage.


  • #903
    RebelButtMunch
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    More restrictions = civil unrest.

    There's a reason they only said til 12th April. Because on the 9th, they'll extend it a further two weeks. Already preparing us for it.

    Any announcement of lockdown for 3 months, which i assume is the plan, would be rightly met with outrage.

    At some stage when the peak drops, the restrictions will ease. The restrictions will go up and down to follow any trend of icu maxing out.
    Unfortunately vulnerable people wont get a as much benefit as others of easing of restrictions until a vaccine comes along


  • #904
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1244651716571791361?s=20


  • #905
    cameramonkey
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    They update weekly as to how many tests they have done.

    They were testing 2k a day on 23 March.

    There's 5,000 tests done dailly today.

    I linked both figures for you yesterday on two separate occasions (not realising that I was responding to the same person).

    I linked that for you three times


    I am taking about tests that are processed, maybe you do not understand the difference. You can get a mouth and nasal swab but if the lab does not process it and you dont get a result then it is not a completed test.


    I have linked to an official HSE statement from the most recent amount of tests that have been processed. Can you do the same so that we are on the same page in terms of verifiable HSE statements.



    I am not being deliberately negative, I am trying to find actual verifiable numbers. I certainly think that getting verifiable numbers re completed tests would be make people more secure about the HSE reaction to the outbreak.


    Posters continue to say things like they are testing 5000 or they said they are testing 5000 but the HSE press release seem not to ever say how many tests have been completed.


  • #906
    ShayNanigan
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    Shelga wrote: »
    Might be a silly question, but would being a smoker count as an underlying condition?

    Does anyone know have there been any data trend analysis done on the ratio of deaths/serious conditions to smokers?

    I'll see what I can find but as far as I've understood smoking and obesity would definitely influence the outcome. We'll see a lot of deaths in the U.S. labeled with "no underlying condition" even when the patient is clearly severely obese though.


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  • #907
    bekker
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    Leo mentioned that chap in charge of modelling COVID-19 impact, is appearing at briefing tonight.

    No idea what time that was just picked it up on RTE News Now could be live could be loop.


  • #908
    freddie1970
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭freddie1970


    My girlfriend is a nurse and she told me that today some of her colleagues are getting sick one is in icu ..
    Really worried here trying to decide if we should have some form of social distancing in the house or just except i will get it ..we are both in late 40s so we are nearly in risk category


  • #909
    Frank Bullitt
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    https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1244368048821321735

    What are the chances that we see this donkey run for election at some point...


  • #910
    is_that_so
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    bekker wrote: »
    Leo mentioned that chap in charge of modelling COVID-19 impact, is appearing at briefing tonight.

    No idea what time that was just picked it up on RTE News Now could be live could be loop.
    It will be at 7.

    Also lots of "new" beds and capacity.
    Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said additional private capacity adds an extra 17% to total public capacity.

    He said that includes 11,000 inpatient & 2,300 day beds, 1,000 single inpatient rooms, useful for isolation, 194 ventilators & 9 laboratories.


  • #911
    cameramonkey
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Not being sharp but why don't you just watch the press conferences instead of expecting up to date figures on some websites when there are more things for reduced staff to do? It's simple. Watch the press conference or read about them in the paper.


    I actually watched the press conference yesterday when one of the posters said that they were testing 5000 per day, that was correct the HSE said that but they didn't say how many were being processed. The important figure is processed test not just the swabbing.


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  • #912
    Naggdefy
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    13.4% increase in UK cases today. Intetresting to see if we continue to come in at a lower daily increase rate than them.


  • #913
    is_that_so
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1244368048821321735

    What are the chances that we see this donkey run for election at some point...
    Now, now he is an "expert" in many, many fields. I'm guessing too he has no plans to return Web Summit here!


  • #914
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    The countries with the lowest mortality rates in Europe have grown quite a lot, Austria is now over 1.1% and Germany is at 0.9%

    Norway is now the lowest in Europe at 0.7%


  • #915
    is_that_so
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    No border closures.


  • #916
    timmy_mallet
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Imperial College Professor says there could be up to 1.3 million currently infected people in the UK, representing about 2% of the population. In central London as much as 3-5% of the population may currently be infected
    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-early-signs-outbreak-slowing-in-uk-says-imperial-college-professor-11965624


    Well, yes, if % of positive tests are indicative of prevalence in total population, that would be correct. You can do the math(s) for Ireland too.


  • #917
    loveisdivine
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    Has there been any talk yet of any kind of hazard pay for essential service workers?


  • #918
    tobefrank321
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    New Home wrote: »
    Right. I just heard something on the news and I'm wondering did I hear it right. Some politician (could've been Coveney, I didn't actually hear who) said we should prepare for more restrictions (and that's understandable). He also said that there should be a verifiable system put in place to quarantine people travelling from Italy and the US. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER COUNTRIES BADLY AFFECTED?? Does Coronavirus have a passport? Is it less deadly depending on its "nationality"? See, provided that I didn't mis-hear, stuff like THIS is what's wrong with how we're going about things. Like the 100 indoors/500 outdoors from the first round of restrictions... 'cause viruses can count! :mad:

    I really don't understand why people like Coveney speak like they are in opposition and have no control over government direction. Its bizarre. Either do it or don't do it, but stop telling us you're going to do it.

    The time for good PR is long past.


  • #919
    bb12
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    lot more talk today of incoming flights and people on various radio programmes today...sounds like they're preparing to stop them...all the measures they've introduced so far seemed to come up on these programmes a few days before...it's like the government are telling the media what to talk about in advance to get it into the social conscienceness


  • #920
    Mental Mickey
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    Just switched on the briefing now. What have I missed?


  • #921
    timmy_mallet
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    bb12 wrote: »
    lot more talk today of incoming flights and people on various radio programmes today...sounds like they're preparing to stop them...all the measures they've introduced so far seemed to come up on these programmes a few days before...it's like the government are telling the media what to talk about in advance to get it into the social conscienceness

    I'd argue you're more likely to get COVID-19 while hmming and hawwing over yer bottle of plonk in Dunnes than in an airplane or airport.


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  • #922
    GolfNut33
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    Naggdefy wrote: »
    13.4% increase in UK cases today. Intetresting to see if we continue to come in at a lower daily increase rate than them.

    But it's a meaningless number so it cant possibly be accurate.


  • #923
    is_that_so
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    bb12 wrote: »
    lot more talk today of incoming flights and people on various radio programmes today...sounds like they're preparing to stop them...all the measures they've introduced so far seemed to come up on these programmes a few days before...it's like the government are telling the media what to talk about in advance to get it into the social conscienceness

    Leo said no and was quite emphatic, but there might be a need for more controls around the area.


  • #924
    tobefrank321
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    freddie1970 wrote: »
    My girlfriend is a nurse and she told me that today some of her colleagues are getting sick one is in icu ..
    Really worried here trying to decide if we should have some form of social distancing in the house or just except i will get it ..we are both in late 40s so we are nearly in risk category

    If you both get sick at the same time you are no good to each other. Appreciate its not easy to isolate under the one roof but it may be possible to do some limited social distancing, good hygiene, etc. One of you may need to stay healthy to look after the other. That said if she gets it you are very likely to get it.


  • #925
    John.Icy
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    Of course there will be far more than 2 weeks of a lockdown. Do the maths.

    99% of Ireland will unlikely be infected during this initial wave (can only go by official confirmed cases folks unfortunely, so this number may not be 99% but should be fairly high). That leaves us extremely vulnerable to future surges due to a lack of vaccine and no herd immunity. We could most likely be in an out of lockdown type scenarios for 8-12 months until we have a vaccine if things don't work out in our favour. The only thing that will prevent this is total eradication - firstly in Ireland and this would have to be coupled with significant travel bans to maintain suppression of the virus on the island until the point it is suppressed to a large extent worldwide. Eradication is certainly possible but most virologists aren't looking at that being done any time soon for those with cabin fever already.

    Flattening the curve is good...but when you flatten it to the point that 99% of people don't get sick, then you are playing with fire for future flare ups of the virus until there's a vaccine. My guess is transient phases of tight social restrictions vs. slightly relaxed restrictions, riding various waves of increasing cases then decreasing cases over many months to come.

    EDIT: Just to add that many scientists figure large asymptomatic positive populations will be out there that never get a test. If we get a decent enough % infected at least then maybe things won't be as bad. However we don't know if getting infected yet = full immunity.


  • #926
    timmy_mallet
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Leo said no and was quite emphatic, but there might be a need for more controls around the area.

    Good. This whole episode is quite the demonstration of the fundamental misunderstanding of statistics, probability and risk in the majority of people.


  • #927
    cameramonkey
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    GolfNut33 wrote: »
    But it's a meaningless number so it cant possibly be accurate.


    Think their death rate was lower today also so that is good unlees there are more to be announced. It is early days yet.


  • #928
    Strazdas
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    bb12 wrote: »
    lot more talk today of incoming flights and people on various radio programmes today...sounds like they're preparing to stop them...all the measures they've introduced so far seemed to come up on these programmes a few days before...it's like the government are telling the media what to talk about in advance to get it into the social conscienceness

    No, the Taoiseach says they have no intention of stopping flights. We need incoming doctors and nurses for example from all around the world as well as equipment and we need to be able to export medical equipment and medicines in order to generate revenue.

    Don't forget we've no land border with the EU, making the banning of flights a near impossibility.


  • #929
    New Home
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    More restrictions = civil unrest.

    There's a reason they only said til 12th April. Because on the 9th, they'll extend it a further two weeks. Already preparing us for it.

    Any announcement of lockdown for 3 months, which i assume is the plan, would be rightly met with outrage.


    I know that, that's not what I was objecting to, it's quite obvious that bad news in small doses are easier for people to swallow that in one big chunk. What I was objecting to was the limitation of the quarantine to people travelling only from the US and Italy.


  • #930
    Roger_007
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    loveisdivine wrote: »
    Has there been any talk yet of any kind of hazard pay for essential service workers?
    I’m sure that will come later, but how do you define an essential service worker?


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  • #931
    Naggdefy
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    GolfNut33 wrote: »
    But it's a meaningless number so it cant possibly be accurate.

    It should have some reflection on the efficacy of lockdown as they are about 2 weeks behind us. Working with the percentage of population being tested in both jurisdictions.


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