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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #872
    Shelga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Might be a silly question, but would being a smoker count as an underlying condition?

    Does anyone know have there been any data trend analysis done on the ratio of deaths/serious conditions to smokers?


  • #873
    Marsden35
    Site Banned Posts: 93 ✭✭Marsden35


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Israeli Forces Demolish Emergency Coronavirus Clinic for Palestinians

    Grand lads all together the Israelis

    :(

    I'd be surprised at this news and seems quite iffy. The Israelis and Palestinians have setup a joint Corona task force and are having daily meetings.

    It was a joint Israel-PA decision to lockdown Bethlehem quickly as soon as infections were detected. One of the first lockdowns outside of China. A vital decision which has undoubtedly saved many lives. Only one death in Palestine so far.


  • #874
    davedanon
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    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Maybe you can respond to me with some official figures like up to date tests and up to date test that have been processed with an official link. Then we can have a discussion on real figures as apposed to aspirational ones.



    Maybe you should do your own research, since you don't want to believe what people/the HSE are telling you. It's your contention that the HSE's figures are aspirational. Prove it or shut up.


  • #875
    [Deleted User]
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    davedanon wrote: »
    I'm a member of the media, and you are talking ****e.

    and like a typical member of the media, you cannot differentiate between the words most and all... also it's always shyte talk when you don't agree eh Matt??
    I don't agree I'm talking shyte but I accept your point of view :-)


  • #876
    ACitizenErased
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    HSE briefing has been moved to 7pm. Fergal Bowers reporting that the modelling presented will suggest Ireland will be considerably less effected than previously thought.


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  • #877
    Jim_Hodge
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    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Thanks for that but no need for the insults.



    I keep asking about numbers and people give me numbers but not to official figures. How can we understand what is going on if the HSE don't publish in writing the numbers tested and processed?



    I would love to see that 5000 or 10000 test have been processed per day in the last week but most of HSE statements seem aspirational at best.



    Maybe you can respond to me with some official figures like up to date tests and up to date test that have been processed with an official link. Then we can have a discussion on real figures as apposed to aspirational ones.


    I think there people are starting not to believe the HSE numbers on testing because of their lack of transparency and because testing and results are taking so long and also some testing station seem to be closing. In turn how can we then trust that we are catching as many people who are infected if we don't know how many are being tested and processed. If we cannot believe the official numbers we create a vacuum that is filled by rumour and fear.

    That is not where we want to be in the middle of a pandemic.

    What are you on about? They have published the figures and clearly stated them in briefings. Do you want them to send you personal links or something? The lack of transparency is your perception and it appears no amount of press releases or briefing will alter that.


  • #878
    [Deleted User]
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    HSE briefing has been moved to 7pm. Fergal Bowers reporting that the modelling presented will suggest Ireland will be considerably less effected than previously thought.

    Interesting that the UK this morning said something along the same lines. Not that it won’t be bad, but it will be less bad then was anticipated


  • #879
    Beasty
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    It's plastered over the warnings in the OP. Stay civil to each other - if you cannot you will find posting privileges removed from this and all future variants on this thread (certainly up to and including Thread IC - you might be getting another XMas Amnesty when we hit C)


  • #880
    munsterlegend
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    HSE briefing has been moved to 7pm. Fergal Bowers reporting that the modelling presented will suggest Ireland will be considerably less effected than previously thought.

    While good news I hope it won’t start people getting complacent. The measures obviously work but it can all change very quickly.


  • #881
    Rob A. Bank
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    Marsden35 wrote: »
    I'd be surprised at this news and seems quite iffy. The Israelis and Palestinians have setup a joint Corona task force and are having daily meetings.

    It was a joint Israel-PA decision to lockdown Bethlehem quickly as soon as infections were detected. One of the first lockdowns outside of China. A vital decision which has undoubtedly saved many lives. Only one death in Palestine so far.

    And what about Gaza ?

    https://www.palestinechronicle.com/amid-coronavirus-fears-israeli-warplanes-artillery-attack-locations-in-gaza/


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  • #882
    enda1
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    5.45 was mentioned earlier. Dunno if it's changed in the meantime.

    7pm from the Dept of Health according to Fergal Bowers.

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1244642909170868226?s=20


  • #883
    antodeco
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    munsterlegend wrote: »
    While good news I hope it won’t start people getting complacent. The measures obviously work but it can all change very quickly.

    The fear I have is that we will end up being cyclical again. Numbers are down. Not as bad. Slowly back to work. 4 months time, back to where we started again


  • #884
    davedanon
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    rusty cole wrote: »
    and like a typical member of the media, you cannot differentiate between the words most and all... also it's always shyte talk when you don't agree eh Matt??
    I don't agree I'm talking shyte but I accept your point of view :-)

    I think everyone here can read for themselves that your opinions are ill thought-out and amount to little more than ignorant prejudice, so I'll just say this. You are wrong. As well as offensive, but that goes with the territory.


  • #885
    [Deleted User]
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    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    These are the modelling projections similar to which Dr.Fauci and Dr.Birx are using in the White House.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

    They're predicting 82,141 deaths in the US by the years end. The UK models will be something similar, except they're 5 times smaller so you need to scale those numbers down by 5, and down by 66 or so for Ireland.

    As you can see. They're predicting 4,631 by April 1st and then MASSIVE jump to 59,589 by May 1st then a much slower rise to 82,141 by July 15th, where it finishes.

    April is going to be the month where most of this damage is being done.

    Probably not a direct proportional relationship either. Factors such as population density need to taken into account as well as current status, measures etc. Even lookng at US data, NY is expected to Peak on 10th April, the country on the 17th, while Florida is not projected to peak until 4th May


  • #886
    cameramonkey
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    davedanon wrote: »
    Maybe you should do your own research, since you don't want to believe what people/the HSE are telling you. It's your contention that the HSE's figures are aspirational. Prove it or shut up.
    I have already stated the figures I know and have linked to them but here it is again.

    The most recent official figure I can find is "To date, 17,992 tests have been carried out in laboratories across the country, as of midnight last night."


    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e378fd-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-on-tuesday-/


    So as of the 23 March just over 700 tests per day since the outbreak started in Ireland. Of course there must have been more since then but these are the only figures I can find.

    If you can point me to more recent statements from the HSE please do.
    As i said to a previous poster there is no need for vitriol.


  • #887
    rameire
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    Leo is on TV now.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • #888
    is_that_so
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    antodeco wrote: »
    The fear I have is that we will end up being cyclical again. Numbers are down. Not as bad. Slowly back to work. 4 months time, back to where we started again
    Even if is we now know what to do plus there will be a lot more knowledge and there may even be some mitigating treatments. It will not be novel!


  • #889
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Spare a thought for supermarket workers.

    https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1244642399835623430?s=20


  • #890
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    Great to see innovations made avaiable for free.


    First, Italian company Isinnova shared 3D printed adapter to turn snorkeling mask into a non-invasive ventilator

    https://www.3dprintingmedia.network/isinnova-shares-3d-printed-adapter-to-turn-snorkeling-mask-into-a-non-invasive-ventilator/
    Now:MIT open sources cheap ventilator design in response to worldwide shortage

    The E-Vent project aims to create a $100 ventilator suitable for the COVID-19 outbreak.
    The project, including design and safety specifications, can be accessed through the E-Vent website : https://e-vent.mit.edu/

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/mit-to-open-source-low-cost-ventilator-in-response-to-worldwide-shortage/


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  • #891
    cameramonkey
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    What are you on about? They have published the figures and clearly stated them in briefings. Do you want them to send you personal links or something? The lack of transparency is your perception and it appears no amount of press releases or briefing will alter that.


    Why don't you link to HSE press releases about these tests that have been carried out in laboratories across the country if they have been published. I would be happy if we are doing 5 or 10 thousand a day.


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  • #892
    timmy_mallet
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Probably not a direct proportional relationship either. Factors such as population density need to taken into account as well as current status, measures etc. Even lookng at US data, NY is expected to Peak on 10th April, the country on the 17th, while Florida is not projected to peak until 4th May

    Past performance is not an indicator of future results.

    Without any root cause as to what/who/how it's affecting people, it's a little meaningless. Ireland wildly overstated it's suggestions, for eg. And it's better to do that then the other way, right.


  • #893
    New Home
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    Right. I just heard something on the news and I'm wondering did I hear it right. Some politician (could've been Coveney, I didn't actually hear who) said we should prepare for more restrictions (and that's understandable). He also said that there should be a verifiable system put in place to quarantine people travelling from Italy and the US. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER COUNTRIES BADLY AFFECTED?? Does Coronavirus have a passport? Is it less deadly depending on its "nationality"? See, provided that I didn't mis-hear, stuff like THIS is what's wrong with how we're going about things. Like the 100 indoors/500 outdoors from the first round of restrictions... 'cause viruses can count! :mad:


  • #894
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I have already stated the figures I know and have linked to them but here it is again.

    The most recent official figure I can find is "To date, 17,992 tests have been carried out in laboratories across the country, as of midnight last night."


    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e378fd-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-on-tuesday-/


    So as of the 23 March just over 700 tests per day since the outbreak started in Ireland. Of course there must have been more since then but these are the only figures I can find.

    If you can point me to more recent statements from the HSE please do.
    As i said to a previous poster there is no need for vitriol.

    They update weekly as to how many tests they have done.

    They were testing 2k a day on 23 March.

    There's 5,000 tests done dailly today.

    I linked both figures for you yesterday on two separate occasions (not realising that I was responding to the same person).


  • #895
    Marsden35
    Site Banned Posts: 93 ✭✭Marsden35


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    And what about Gaza ?

    https://www.palestinechronicle.com/amid-coronavirus-fears-israeli-warplanes-artillery-attack-locations-in-gaza/

    I'm not sure you're using the best sources. A rocket was fired at Israel and in return Israel hit some empty fields.

    If you want a Palestinian source, Ramallah News is a little bit more accurate but my advice is to check versions from both sides of the conflict.

    So there's a charity currently building a field hospital in Gaza in preparation for an outbreak.

    Israel has sent many tonnes of disinfectant and also Corona test kits.

    There is also a plan for an Israeli field hospital next to Gaza should the need arise.

    So far the small outbreak in Gaza has been contained.


  • #896
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1244638220102615040?s=20


  • #897
    Rvsmmnps
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭Rvsmmnps


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Quite a number of Swedes live alone and they socially distance naturally so they were following S Korea right out of the box!

    I live in western Norway. We are seeing a drop in numbers these past days(or at least a level off.)People don't mix here like they do back home. People keep to themselves, dark winters keep peeps inside too,although the vit D and higher Temps might help us soon.

    Ps we had 6000 hospital staff quarantined and a few hundred police officers. So we got off to a good start here

    We are entering our 3rd week at home with two kids home from child care.
    The two weeks before these previous 3 both kids were ill as well as their mother.
    I lost both jobs as they were connected to the cruise ship traffic.


  • #898
    Jim_Hodge
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    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Why don't you link to HSE press releases about these tests that have been carried out in laboratories across the country if they have been published. I would be happy if we are doing 5 or 10 thousand a day.

    Not being sharp but why don't you just watch the press conferences instead of expecting up to date figures on some websites when there are more things for reduced staff to do? It's simple. Watch the press conference or read about them in the paper.


  • #899
    wakka12
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    Imperial College Professor says there could be up to 1.3 million currently infected people in the UK, representing about 2% of the population. In central London as much as 3-5% of the population may currently be infected
    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-early-signs-outbreak-slowing-in-uk-says-imperial-college-professor-11965624


  • #900
    Roger_007
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    DubInMeath wrote: »
    LA has a.subway system with 300,000 using it daily, but cars and buses are more prevalent forms of transportation

    https://www.businessinsider.com/los-angeles-subway-2019-4?amp

    LA has a mostly overground light rail system. It’s relatively little used for the size of the city.


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  • #901
    tobefrank321
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    Marsden35 wrote: »
    The reason why MOSSAD were brought in?



    Israel basically decided to treat the virus like a terrorist and set their internal and external security services on it. Seems to be working so far.

    Military agencies are experts at logistics and distribution as well as command and control, far more so than most civilian branches of government.

    The command and control coming out of Ireland and most European countries is chaotic at the moment.


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