CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

New Home · 30-03-2020 03:05PM

josip wrote: »

Can the two of you please sort out which one of you is Jesus ?
Rock, paper, scissors for it or something.

Waaait.... are you Josip... or Joseph?!?!? Asking for my friend Jesus.

otnomart · 30-03-2020 03:05PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

And how many people died from flu this year in Italy. In addition to Covid? We don't know that either. It's likely that similar numbers to previous years. I'm not sure flu deaths stopped this year.

But yes we don't know the true number of excess deaths until later.

In Italy, data from flu patients admitted in ICU is: 157 severe cases (of which, 30 deaths).
the estimate of flu patients in Italy from the start of the season (mid October) till week 7 of 2020 is of: 5.632.000 cases.

Official Source: https://www.epicentro.iss.it/influenza/stagione-2019-2020-primo-bilancio

from the chart, this flu season 2019-2020 seems less severe than the two previous ones

TommyKnocker · 30-03-2020 03:06PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

We are carrying out more thasn 2,000 tests a day, and that number is increasing.

We will never know the true number of infected people because many are asymptomatic and will never seek to be tested. That isn't a limitation of the testing process.

With all due respect but surely this cannot be correct as by restricting testing to those who have 2 or more symptoms we are missing a large chunk of people who are asymptomatic and only showing 1 symptom?

Did I not read on these threads that due to the number of people who presented to for testing when the criteria was reduced to a single symptom leading to a huge backlog that the HSE/Government tore up the backlog list and revised the criteria to require the 2 or more symptoms.

I understand the shortage of test kits, facilities to carry our and process the tests and the large number of negative tests, but surely if you want to test for asymptomatic carriers you need to testing all who present, no matter how mild their symptoms are?

awec · 30-03-2020 03:07PM

threeball wrote: »

It's weird how Spain was so badly affected by the 1918 flu that they named it after the country despite it originating in America and now they are being savagely hit again. Is there more to this than sheer bad luck?

Spain wasn’t worse hit by the 1918 flu. Western countries blocked media coverage of the pandemic, while Spain didn’t, which made Spain appear to be worse than other places.

cameramonkey · 30-03-2020 03:09PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

We are carrying out more thasn 2,000 tests a day, and that number is increasing.

We will never know the true number of infected people because many are asymptomatic and will never seek to be tested. That isn't a limitation of the testing process.

I think the 2000 has been debunked, we may be testing 2000 and I doubt that with many of the testing station closed. I have not seen any evidence to say we can process more than about 1300 tests a day. I understand that people want to see they best for the country but when the HSE in unable to publish even how many are being tested and processed it smacks of incompetence.
Consequently the numbers of those infected published by the HSE has is not of much use in seeing the spread of the virus in Ireland. The death rate is what we need to look at.

otnomart · 30-03-2020 03:10PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Why would the the Netherlands health institute assume that when the Chinese have said the average recovery period is 31 days?

Beats me.
In any case, the Netherlands Health Institute has listed 23 days as: average stay in ICU (not as: average recovery rate)

Christy42 · 30-03-2020 03:10PM

TommyKnocker wrote: »

With all due respect but surely this cannot be correct as by restricting testing to those who have 2 or more symptoms we are missing a large chunk of people who are asymptomatic and only showing 1 symptom?

Did I not read on these threads that due to the number of people who presented to for testing when the criteria was reduced to a single symptom leading to a huge backlog that the HSE/Government tore up the backlog list and revised the criteria to require the 2 or more symptoms.

I understand the shortage of test kits, facilities to carry our and process the tests and the large number of negative tests, but surely if you want to test for asymptomatic carriers you need to testing all who present, no matter how mild their symptoms are?

To test asymptomatic people you would have to test everyone. So I would have to be test. In all likelihood it would come back negative. Then do you test me again tomorrow? Next week? Because I don't have it now doesn't mean I won't get it later and I might still be asymptomatic. So you just end up testing everyone loads of times.

Then you clog up the system and properly sick people don't get the treatment they need. Priorities really. To not waste time you want to maximise the chances of tests being positive. Then if you don't have a backlog you can expand the criteria again.

caveat emptor · 30-03-2020 03:11PM

This guys brilliant.
Posted on other thread.

Achasanai · 30-03-2020 03:13PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

How come Prince Charles , or Boris, or Tom Hanks didn't end up dead. All older, all unfit .

It doesn't have a 100% kill rate, Toby. That's pretty much true of most viruses. Also, it's early days for Charles & Boris.

caveat emptor · 30-03-2020 03:14PM

what a pr!ck

https://twitter.com/EleanorMargolis/status/1243573788920492037

CIARAN_BOYLE · 30-03-2020 03:14PM

Christy42 wrote: »

To test asymptomatic people you would have to test everyone. So I would have to be test. In all likelihood it would come back negative. Then do you test me again tomorrow? Next week? Because I don't have it now doesn't mean I won't get it later and I might still be asymptomatic. So you just end up testing everyone loads of times.

Then you clog up the system and properly sick people don't get the treatment they need. Priorities really. To not waste time you want to maximise the chances of tests being positive. Then if you don't have a backlog you can expand the criteria again.

Asymptomatic persons wont be tested until we get an antibody test rays quick and efficient.

Then we can test everyone once and identify a cohort who dont have to fear covid 19.

ShayNanigan · 30-03-2020 03:16PM

I just can't with my neighbours. Seems it's impossible for them to stay indoors. Going about their lives like nothing has changed. Last week they all gathered to have some sort of a yard sale at the parking lot except they weren't selling stuff, just giving old stuff away for free and everyone carrying piles of books and other things to their houses. A couple of old ladies wearing gloves and shouting at each other from a distance but pretty soon all forgot social distancing and then no-one was wearing gloves or anything. This week it's back to normal, families hopping into their cars etc. I don't know where they can be going every day since they're not going to work and they don't return with shopping bags either. Doubt they're popping out for some exercise. It's their business what they do of course but wouldn't be surprised if people around here start getting sick soon.

TommyKnocker · 30-03-2020 03:17PM

Christy42 wrote: »

To test asymptomatic people you would have to test everyone. So I would have to be test. In all likelihood it would come back negative. Then do you test me again tomorrow? Next week? Because I don't have it now doesn't mean I won't get it later and I might still be asymptomatic. So you just end up testing everyone loads of times.

Then you clog up the system and properly sick people don't get the treatment they need. Priorities really. To not waste time you want to maximise the chances of tests being positive. Then if you don't have a backlog you can expand the criteria again.

I understand that at this point in time they cannot test everyone due to limited test kits and facilities etc and I see no point in testing folks who display absolutely NO symptoms what so ever.

But it seems to me by rejecting those who were put forward by their GPs, HSE etc who only had 1 symptom just because it resulted in a huge backlog was an opportunity missed to catch asymptomatic carriers.

Achasanai · 30-03-2020 03:17PM

Downlinz wrote: »

This is obviously nonsense but what exactly do the conspiracy folk think is happening here, who do they think is benefiting from everyone staying at home and a population in fear that seemingly every government in the world is collaborating in?

I don't think the conspiracy theorists really know what to make of the whole situation. If you're bored, check out their timeline: you'll see them trying to make sense of the situation as it progresses, often posting or retweeting things that would make earlier understandings completely contradictory.

The latest I'm seeing is that it's a way of keeping us indoors while they install 5G thingies which are apparently some kind of mind-control device (you can see 'recent' installations of 5G posts in Stillorgan although oddly enough they have been in situ since at least 2018 according to Google Streetview).

There's also a suggestion that it's a virus created by Trump in order to take out liberal political 'regimes' throughout the world. Invasion coming. Get ready.

Martina1991 · 30-03-2020 03:17PM

eagle eye wrote: »

When did we go over 2k testing?
It was at somewhere between 1700 and 1800 per day only a week or so ago.

Dr Ray Walley,a member of the National Covid-19 GPs Advisory Committee, said that we are testing roughly 2,000 people a day - in comparison, an average of 600 people a week are tested during the height of flu season.

He said this will increase to "ten times that" over the next four weeks and that "things are gearing up" very quickly.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1124971-coronavirus-covid19-ireland/

Additionally it was reported by RTE yesterday that there are ~33,000 tests carried out to date. There was ~18,000 carried out up until 23rd March. That's over 2k a day carried out during the last week.

SharpshooterTom · 30-03-2020 03:18PM

180 new deaths in the UK.

England +159
Wales +14
Scotland +6
Northern Ireland +1

kmart6 · 30-03-2020 03:19PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

what a pr!ck

https://twitter.com/EleanorMargolis/status/1243573788920492037

Be worth posting the response form the next day:

https://twitter.com/EleanorMargolis/status/1243933471904587777?s=20

Cork Boy 53 · 30-03-2020 03:20PM

ShayNanigan wrote: »

I just can't with my neighbours. Seems it's impossible for them to stay indoors. Going about their lives like nothing has changed. Last week they all gathered to have some sort of a yard sale at the parking lot except they weren't selling stuff, just giving old stuff away for free and everyone carrying piles of books and other things to their houses. A couple of old ladies wearing gloves and shouting at each other from a distance but pretty soon all forgot social distancing and then no-one was wearing gloves or anything. This week it's back to normal, families hopping into their cars etc. I don't know where they can be going every day since they're not going to work and they don't return with shopping bags either. Doubt they're popping out for some exercise. It's their business what they do of course but wouldn't be surprised if people around here start getting sick soon.

Have you reported them to the Gardai?

syngindub · 30-03-2020 03:21PM

Achasanai wrote: »

I don't think the conspiracy theorists really know what to make of the whole situation. If you're bored, check out their timeline: you'll see them trying to make sense of the situation as it progresses, often posting or retweeting things that would make earlier understandings completely contradictory.

The latest I'm seeing is that it's a way of keeping us indoors while they install 5G thingies which are apparently some kind of mind-control device (you can see 'recent' installations of 5G posts in Stillorgan although oddly enough they have been in situ since at least 2018 according to Google Streetview).

There's also a suggestion that it's a virus created by Trump in order to take out liberal political 'regimes' throughout the world. Invasion coming. Get ready.

Is there a forum for friends of these people !!
Have to listen to this ****e at least once a week

Boggles · 30-03-2020 03:21PM

Austria is making it compulsory for shoppers to wear facial masks in supermarkets.

Chancellor Sebastian Kurz on Monday morning announced that introducing the requirement was a “necessary step” to help to prevent the airborne transmission of the virus.

Shoppers are to be handed masks covering their mouth and nose at the entrance of supermarkets from Wednesday, the chancellor said. Kurz said the masks were not the same protective masks used by medical staff and weren’t designed to “protect” those wearing them but only to stop them spreading infections further.

While wearing the masks in supermarkets will be compulsory, people are encouraged to also wear them in other “social situations”.

By Monday morning, the alpine state had 9,131 confirmed infections with the Covid-19 virus and 108 people who had died as a result of an infection.

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caveat emptor · 30-03-2020 03:21PM

kmart6 wrote: »

Be worth posting the response form the next day:

https://twitter.com/EleanorMargolis/status/1243933471904587777?s=20

Not seen. The fact he tried to do it is news worthy enough.

Computer says no Britain in action.

Marsden35 · 30-03-2020 03:21PM

threeball wrote: »

It's weird how Spain was so badly affected by the 1918 flu that they named it after the country despite it originating in America and now they are being savagely hit again. Is there more to this than sheer bad luck?

Spanish Flu was thought more likely from China or Chinese merchant in the USA.

Nordic countries have not been hit too hard, yet likes of Italy and Spain have. I suspect that's because not many people travel to Nordic countries during the winter, yet Spain and Italy are popular pretty much year round. So they got seeded with the virus much more heavily than other countries.

otnomart · 30-03-2020 03:24PM

josip wrote: »

What's going to happen now in the Netherlands?
Their ICUs are effectively full.
https://www.covid-19.no/netherlands-905-out-of-925-icu-beds-in-use

Are they going to do Italian/Spanish triaging or do they have another plan?
Weren't they also going the herd route at some stage?
Are they still?

Measures currently in place until April 6 include the closure of schools, restaurants and museums (non essential shops remain open; religious ceremonies up to 30 people are still allowed)
https://nltimes.nl/2020/03/15/schools-cafes-businesses-closed-apr-6-coronavirus-spread-pm-address-nation

There measures are still geared towards herd immunity.
however, their cabinet will meet with experts and advisers tomorrow.
The press conference is expected at around 7:00 p.m. tomorrow.
https://nltimes.nl/2020/03/30/govt-extend-covid-19-measures-report

wadacrack · 30-03-2020 03:24PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

180 new deaths in the UK.

England +159
Wales +14
Scotland +6
Northern Ireland +1

Seems to be lowering in the UK hopefully. What was England's count in the last 5 days?

30-03-2020 03:25PM

eagle eye wrote: »

When did we go over 2k testing?
It was at somewhere between 1700 and 1800 per day only a week or so ago.

Was announced at one of the recent HSE press conferences we're processing 5k tests per day now.

Achasanai · 30-03-2020 03:27PM

Marsden35 wrote: »

Spanish Flu was thought more likely from China or Chinese merchant in the USA.

I've heard theories about a farm in Kentucky, but never so specific as to a Chinese merchant in the US. Is there a reason why they think this?

kilkenny31 · 30-03-2020 03:27PM

Marsden35 wrote: »

Spanish Flu was thought more likely from China or Chinese merchant in the USA.

Nordic countries have not been hit too hard, yet likes of Italy and Spain have. I suspect that's because not many people travel to Nordic countries during the winter, yet Spain and Italy are popular pretty much year round. So they got seeded with the virus much more heavily than other countries.

More to do with the populations of those countries. Not many big cities etc. Spain and Italy are densely populated. Everyone lives in apartment blocks etc.

kmart6 · 30-03-2020 03:27PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Not seen. The fact he tried to do it is news worthy enough.

Computer says no Britain in action.

Wouldn't call it newsworthy, it's a spur of the moment video of a local incident that doesn't show the outcome, which was nothing in the end.

caveat emptor · 30-03-2020 03:28PM

This is brilliant. Everyday is like Monday. Learn how to ice-sculpt

https://twitter.com/jockowillink/status/1244621967753265152?s=20

dePeatrick · 30-03-2020 03:29PM

threeball wrote: »

It's weird how Spain was so badly affected by the 1918 flu that they named it after the country despite it originating in America and now they are being savagely hit again. Is there more to this than sheer bad luck?

Spain reported correct figures on the 1918 flu unlike most other countries, is it possible they are doing the same again?

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