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Dr Hulsey WTC7 findings for people who not aware of this new study.

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  • #1202
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    I will feature the fraud for you below

    Cheerful, all of that is just rambling word salad that you don't actually understand and it is not a response to the inconsistency pointed out by Nick West.
    Not is it a response to the many many other points brought up that show this study is a fraud and a joke.

    You can keep branding around technical terms and figures, but it's very clear you have no idea what you're talking about


  • #1203
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Cheerful, all of that is just rambling word salad that you don't actually understand and it is not a response to the inconsistency pointed out by Nick West.
    Not is it a response to the many many other points brought up that show this study is a fraud and a joke.

    You can keep branding around technical terms and figures, but it's very clear you have no idea what you're talking about

    blah blah blah.

    NIST image of the floor beams. Clearly beam at column 44 (G3500) is sized 24x55. Reality based on actual drawings was a 21x44 floor beam.
    6034073


  • #1204
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    blah blah blah.

    NIST image of the floor beams. Clearly beam at column 44 (G3500) is sized 24x55. Reality based on actual drawings was a 21x44 floor beam.

    Yea again you're ust ranting with figures and terms you don't understand and you've already wandered away from any point you were trying to make.

    You can't address any of the points we and others have raised about Hulsey's report.
    It's a fraud and a joke.

    You got conned out of your money.


  • #1205
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Yea again you're ust ranting with figures and terms you don't understand and you've already wandered away from any point you were trying to make.

    You can't address any of the points we and others have raised about Hulsey's report.
    It's a fraud and a joke.

    You got conned out of your money.

    No NIST lied and just highlighting the fraud.

    #Red is girder (A2001) between column 79 and 44 that NIST claimed thermally expanded on Floor 13.
    Green is the floor slab ( G3500) NIST sized wrong.
    507046.png


  • #1206
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    No NIST lied and just highlighting the fraud.
    Ok. Again this is not because of fraud but because of your poor reading ability, lack of understanding and willingness to misrepresent things you don't understand.
    So what?

    Are you just pretending the Hulsey report doesn't exist now?
    That would be the wisest course for the truth movement if it wants to be held in higher regard than flat earthers, creationists and holocaust deniers.


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  • #1207
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Ok. Again this is not because of fraud but because of your poor reading ability, lack of understanding and willingness to misrepresent things you don't understand.
    So what?

    Are you just pretending the Hulsey report doesn't exist now?
    That would be the wisest cour


    I've provided the construction floor plan design for building seven. It is clear as day the floor beam at G3500 not W22x55

    Book an appointment with Specsavers if you can not identify numbers;)


  • #1208
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    No NIST lied and just highlighting the fraud.

    You claim a rogue group of Nazi's in the US tried to assassinate the president with a plane. With a belief system like that, of course you think anything any official investigation is a lie or a fraud.

    All you can do and have done so far is engage in is denial, which is the cornerstone of faulty arguments. Hulsey's report is literally a denial report, attempting to prove a global negative.


  • #1209
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    I've provided the construction floor plan design for building seven. It is clear as day the floor beam at G3500 not W22x55

    Book an appointment with Specsavers if you can not identify numbers;)
    Yes, so you say, but you have had trouble identifying things in pictures before, so I don't accept your claim. Also you haven't really explained the relevance of any of that or how it relates to how Hulsey's report changed a figure in it's calculations by a factor of 12+.
    Why did they change this figure?
    How did it not invalidate or change the entire conclusion of the report?
    How can the draft report and the final report have the same conclusions if the draft reports calculations were wrong?


  • #1210
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Yes, so you say, but you have had trouble identifying things in pictures before, so I don't accept your claim. Also you haven't really explained the relevance of any of that or how it relates to how Hulsey's report changed a figure in it's calculations by a factor of 12+.
    Why did they change this figure?
    How did it not invalidate or change the entire conclusion of the report?
    How can the draft report and the final report have the same conclusions if the draft reports calculations were wrong?


    I see that was your issue, not mine. Undoubtedly the image from ground zero is a reflection of the two fireman standing. Even the fireman hand position doubles the figure body position between the two columns. Thats a very slight man to be a real person!  The guy in the liquid has no hands and feet. Odd anomalies occur in Photographs for unknown reasons. 

    Left fireman is reflecting that mirror image between the two columns.
    507052.png

    Changed a figure?
    Mick provided no context to his problem.
    He did not provide a page number and explantation for first set of calculations.
    I checked the final report and Hulsey provided a written explantation for the calculation.
    Why did Mike not post that.
    He making it out to thats very strange and mysterious.


  • #1211
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    All you can do and have done so far is engage in is denial, which is the cornerstone of faulty arguments. Hulsey's report is literally a denial report, attempting to prove a global negative.
    It's extra funny, cause the one thing the report claims to have positively proven has been cut out of the final report with no explanation.

    The draft report concluded that the collapse is consistent with what AE9/11 claims are the features of a controlled demolition. However in the final report the section about this has been excised. Yet their conclusion remains unchanged.


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  • #1212
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You claim a rogue group of Nazi's in the US tried to assassinate the president with a plane. With a belief system like that, of course you think anything any official investigation is a lie or a fraud.

    All you can do and have done so far is engage in is denial, which is the cornerstone of faulty arguments. Hulsey's report is literally a denial report, attempting to prove a global negative.


    Post-war Nazis. Pursue the history. Thousands of them departed to South America and North America. Manager of NASA rocket program was a SS Nazi. People wrongly assume their culture and ideology died after WW2. They are clandestinely in the background and mixing with international criminal bankers.


  • #1213
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Undoubtedly the image from ground zero is a reflection of the two fireman standing.  

    Left fireman is reflecting that mirror image between the two columns.
    Yes exactly.
    You are claiming that there's a giant mirror in that photo.
    I don't accept your interpretation of images as you invent silly things to suit your beliefs.
    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Changed a figure?
    Mick provided no context to his problem.
    He did not provide a page number and explantation for first set of calculations.
    I checked the final report and Hulsey provided a written explantation for the calculation.
    Why did Mike not post that.
    He making it out to thats very strange and mysterious.
    All of that doesn't actually address the point I'm afraid.
    The context is given as well as the location in the report. It's the same calculation from the same part of the report.
    In the draft report they use one figure. In the final report they use a different figure.
    The draft reports figure must be incorrect, therefore the draft reports conclusion has to be incorrect.
    Yet the conclusions are the same.
    That's suspicious.

    Why did they change the figure? Why did this not change the conclusion?


  • #1214
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Yes exactly.
    You are claiming that there's a giant mirror in that photo.
    I don't accept your interpretation of images as you invent silly things to suit your beliefs.


    All of that doesn't actually address the point I'm afraid.
    The context is given as well as the location in the report. It's the same calculation from the same part of the report.
    In the draft report they use one figure. In the final report they use a different figure.
    The draft reports figure must be incorrect, therefore the draft reports conclusion has to be incorrect.
    Yet the conclusions are the same.
    That's suspicious.

    Why did they change the figure? Why did this not change the conclusion?

    Left fireman body shape just happens to match the stick figure body position and for you that just a coincidence? You see things that most people don't see..
    I don't accept thats a actual person. :) I can't help you.
    How do you know what page in the draft report? Mick provided no context stop lying.


  • #1215
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    I see that was your issue, not mine. Undoubtedly the image from ground ze
    Left fireman is reflecting that mirror image between the two columns.
    507052.png

    There are three people in that photo.

    But because you've decided this is "molten flowing steel" (it's 911 workers cutting steel beams) you've invented this entire bananas narrative about some reflection and mirror and whatever. This crafted belief then clearly becomes an absolute fact in your head

    It's yet another microcosm of how your 911 beliefs work


  • #1216
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Left fireman body shape just happens to match the stick figure body position and for you that just a coincidence? You see things that most people don't see..
    I don't accept thats a actual person. :) I can't help you..
    No, I can't see the giant imaginary mirror you do.
    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    How do you know what page in the draft report? Mick provided no context stop lying.
    It's the same calculation in the same part of the report.

    You are now grasping at straws to deflect from a point you can't address.

    As predicted the report is a joke and you are upset because you realise it too.
    Your money went to waste.


  • #1217
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Post-war Nazis. Pursue the history. Thousands of them departed to South America and North America. Manager of NASA rocket program was a SS Nazi. People wrongly assume their culture and ideology died after WW2. They are clandestinely in the background and mixing with international criminal bankers.

    It's like a child's grasp of history. Nazi's escaped Germany after the war, therefore they must have carried out 9/11.

    Bonkers.


  • #1218
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    There are three people in that photo.

    But because you've decided this is "molten flowing steel" (it's 911 workers cutting steel beams) you've invented this entire bananas narrative about some reflection and mirror and whatever. This crafted belief then clearly becomes an absolute fact in your head

    It's yet another microcosm of how your 911 beliefs work

    I came up with nothing. Fire men at ground zero said the witnessed molten steel that flowed like lava in a foundry. This video can be found online. Cutting torch sparks don’t sit on the ground, they disappear almost straight away. There no evidence of cutting work in that Photograph.

    You see three people. I see two people the firemen and odd anomalies. You guys argued for four people in that past now it’s three?


  • #1219
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    I came up with nothing. Fire men at ground zero said the witnessed molten steel that flowed like lava in a foundry. This video can be found online. Cutting torch sparks don’t sit on the ground, they disappear almost straight away. There no evidence of cutting work in that Photograph.

    You see three people. I see two people the firemen and odd anomalies. You guys argued for four people in that past now it’s three?
    Lol you are so desperate to ignore the issues with Hulsey's report you are now throwing up the same tired old delusional arguments.

    That's very sad.


  • #1220
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It's like a child's grasp of history. Nazi's escaped Germany after the war, therefore they must have carried out 9/11.

    Bonkers.

    Follow the money and you find out why 9/11 happened. It's no coincidence Mohammed Atta education was sponsored by the Carl Duisberg society. Bin laden family banker was a former Nazi. It no conicidence Atta was seen with german and dutch men in Florida. Of course an event that the FBI tried to cover up and conceal from the public. It no coincidence Rudi Dekkers was Dutch and broke before 9/11 and recieved a large sum of money to buy the airport where the hijackers trained out of.
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/german-industry-and-the-third-reich


  • #1221
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Fire men at ground zero said the witnessed molten steel that flowed like lava in a foundry. This video can be found online. Cutting torch sparks don’t sit on the ground, they disappear almost straight away. There no evidence of cutting work in that Photograph.

    It's work from ground zero, they are cutting beams.
    You see three people. I see two people the firemen and odd anomalies. You guys argued for four people in that past now it’s three?

    There are three people in that photo. You can go to any photography or metallurgy forum to confirm this (you won't do that).

    Here's more of your "liquid molten steel"

    https://www.gettyimages.be/detail/nieuwsfoto's/beam-of-steel-is-cut-by-workers-on-the-wreckage-at-ground-nieuwsfotos/1166689

    and here
    https://www.gettyimages.fr/detail/photo-d'actualit%C3%A9/steve-lebowski-of-cdi-demolition-cuts-apart-beams-photo-dactualit%C3%A9/686485?adppopup=true

    and again
    https://www.gettyimages.be/detail/nieuwsfoto's/worker-for-cdi-demolition-cuts-a-beam-from-the-deutsche-nieuwsfotos/686486


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  • #1222
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Follow the money and you find out why 9/11 happened. It's no coincidence Mohammed Atta education was sponsored by the Carl Duisberg society. Bin laden family banker was a former Nazi. It no conicidence Atta was seen with german and dutch men in Florida. Of course an event that the FBI tried to cover up and conceal from the public. It no coincidence Rudi Dekkers was Dutch and broke before 9/11 and recieved a large sum of money to buy the airport where the hijackers trained out of.
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/german-industry-and-the-third-reich

    Lol, a year ago it was a different theory and a year before that it was something else. Keep "debating it" to somehow make your fantasy real.


  • #1223
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Lol, a year ago it was a different theory and a year before that it was something else. Keep "debating it" to somehow make your fantasy real.
    But when it's pointed out that actual neo-nazis are behind a bunch of the myths he believes about the holocaust...


  • #1224
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It's work from ground zero, they are cutting beams.



    There are three people in that photo. You can go to any photography or metallurgy forum to confirm this (you won't do that).

    Here's more of your "liquid molten steel"

    https://www.gettyimages.be/detail/nieuwsfoto's/beam-of-steel-is-cut-by-workers-on-the-wreckage-at-ground-nieuwsfotos/1166689

    and here
    https://www.gettyimages.fr/detail/photo-d'actualit%C3%A9/steve-lebowski-of-cdi-demolition-cuts-apart-beams-photo-dactualit%C3%A9/686485?adppopup=true

    and again
    https://www.gettyimages.be/detail/nieuwsfoto's/worker-for-cdi-demolition-cuts-a-beam-from-the-deutsche-nieuwsfotos/686486

    Cutting torch sparks don't form to make a a pool of liquid. I used cutting tools before clearly you haven't. Continue on its fun.


  • #1225
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe this the reality if you actually looked as a layperson. Clearly your someone whos never used hand tools.



  • #1226
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Cutting torch sparks don't form to make a a pool of liquid. I used cutting tools before clearly you haven't. Continue on its fun.

    There's no pool of liquid. It's the glow of the cutting torch.

    There are countless photos of these guys cutting these beams at ground-zero after 911. Nope, in your cuckoo world, it's just a casual photo of a pool of molten steel, and "sparks" that just "happen" to be coming off it at that precise moment, and a bizarre reflection of a man with a mirror - that only you can see.

    Your faith-based belief is so powerful it literally causes you to see stuff that isn't there. The fact that you invent rationalisations and lies about the photo to fool yourself is even more disturbing. No one can debate with that level of irrationality.


  • #1227
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    There's no pool of liquid. It's the glow of the cutting torch.

    /QUOTE]

    giphy.gif

    No no no no
    Anyway i have had enough of this craziness for one night, later.


  • #1228
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    giphy.gif

    No no no no
    Anyway i have had enough of this craziness for one night, later.
    Cheerful, your latest tact of posting these GIFs isn't helping you. They aren't particularly funny or witty and smacks more of desperation to be funny or witty.

    They also don't address the issues you are dodging.

    You are now running away from discussing the Hulsey report entirely.
    I can only conclude this is because you realise how empty and fraudulent it is.

    I understand you are disappointed and maybe a bit confused. But maybe now is the time to consider the reason for this is because your ideas about 9/11 are wrong.
    There's nothing wrong with realising that and admitting it.
    We certainly can't think less of you if you do.


  • #1229
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    No no no no
    Anyway i have had enough of this craziness for one night, later.

    You got caught posting this image as a photo of molten flowing steel on 9/11 and instead of just admitting you made a mistake, or that you saw it wrong at the time, you decided to lie to yourself about it

    I don't think this is a healthy hobby for you


  • #1230
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    For anyone else wondering this is where CHeerful got the photo from on one of their google trips

    http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/08/irrefutable-molten-steel-evidence-indicates-inside-job-proves-911-commission-report-fraudulent/

    First photo: hot metal slag

    Second photo: burning paper (manipulated photo)

    Third photo: workers at ground zero cutting beams

    Fourth photo: a torch (yes)


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  • #1231
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Lads, ignore his blatant deflection, only ask/answer questions about the report. It's obvious he doesn't want to talk about it


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