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    #3902
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,854 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ItAintMeBabe wrote:
    Just throwing this into the mix, I think Flacco could well be a contender here when he is cut by the Broncos.
    A veteran, fairly reliable if called upon, play off experience and will definitely be going very cheap.

    If he can be lured there on the guise of starting/competing for the starting job then I could see it happening.
    Not a chance of him being signed even as a backup.


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    #3903
    ItAintMeBabe
    Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭ItAintMeBabe


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Not a chance of him being signed even as a backup.

    Any reason why you think this?

    I think it’s no more outlandish then Dalton etc


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    #3904
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,854 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Andy Dalton is a good QB. Flacco is muck.

    I don't expect us to sign anyone. We'll roll with Stidham and draft somebody like Cole McDonald.


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    #3905
    Earleybird
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Earleybird


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Andy Dalton is a good QB. Flacco is muck.

    I don't expect us to sign anyone. We'll roll with Stidham and draft somebody like Cole McDonald.

    Dalton is not a good QB. That's the most generous thing to say. Hope we don't sign anyone, there are no palatable veteran options. Let Stidham show what he can do.


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    #3906
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,854 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Earleybird wrote:
    Dalton is not a good QB. That's the most generous thing to say. Hope we don't sign anyone, there are no palatable veteran options. Let Stidham show what he can do.
    Dalton is not just good, he is very good. Reason he gets a bad rap is clueless people looking at stats and not watching games.
    He hasn't had an OL for a couple of years and this season he was without his no.1 receiver. And the offensive line isn't just horrendous at pass protection, they couldn't open a hole for the run game either. I watched Dalton live in Wembley against the Rams and the average time he got to get rid of the ball was about 1.5 seconds.
    I've watched many games of him on tv and it was the same thing.
    I thought he was the perfect candidate for the Bucs. He'll do a good job anywhere that gives him pass protection.


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    #3907
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    Earleybird wrote: »
    Dalton is not a good QB. That's the most generous thing to say. Hope we don't sign anyone, there are no palatable veteran options. Let Stidham show what he can do.
    Very true. He has 1 playoff TD and 6 playoff INTs. He's not a big game player, and not a solution at QB. Hope we don't sign him.


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    #3908
    StringerBell
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    Earleybird wrote: »
    Dalton is not a good QB. That's the most generous thing to say. Hope we don't sign anyone, there are no palatable veteran options. Let Stidham show what he can do.

    I'd disagree there now, Dalton may not be elite but he is a good if not very good QB who I think Bill would actually be very happy to work with but I don't see him coming in.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #3909
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,690 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I'd prefer to give stidham (sp?) a shot than signing a mediocre qb like dalton.
    And I'm not a fan of stidham either. (But as a favre fan it's always good to see a #4 at QB!)


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    #3910
    Earleybird
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Earleybird


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Dalton is not just good, he is very good. Reason he gets a bad rap is clueless people looking at stats and not watching games.
    He hasn't had an OL for a couple of years and this season he was without his no.1 receiver. And the offensive line isn't just horrendous at pass protection, they couldn't open a hole for the run game either. I watched Dalton live in Wembley against the Rams and the average time he got to get rid of the ball was about 1.5 seconds.
    I've watched many games of him on tv and it was the same thing.
    I thought he was the perfect candidate for the Bucs. He'll do a good job anywhere that gives him pass protection.

    Was there for the game in London as well. To be fair that was probably his best game of the season, but he's still not solution. And spite his decent game that night he missed key throws when they needed him and took a daft sack at one point if memory serves me.


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    #3911
    AbusesToilets
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    Ebner leaving now too, the suck keeps getting worse.


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    #3912
    StringerBell
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Ebner leaving now too, the suck keeps getting worse.

    Complete wholesale changes by the looks of it. I'm excited to see what Bill does have in mind for the season all the same.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #3913
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,690 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It's a rebuild.
    Only BB knows if he can rebuild and still win this year


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    #3914
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    It's a rebuild.
    Only BB knows if he can rebuild and still win this year
    He's needs to hit big time in the draft.
    Since that 2012 draft, when we got Jones and Hightower in the first round:
    2013 - traded away
    2014 - (29th) Dominique Easley - failure
    2015 - (32d) Malcom Brown- didn't show first round talent, but was consistently available and left with 2 rings
    2016 - traded away
    2017 - Deflategate rubbish :rolleyes:
    2018 - (23rd) Isaiah Wynn - rarely started due to injuries
    2018 - (31) Sony Michel - doesn't show 1st round talent, not a factor in the passing game, likely to be gone after year 4
    2019 - (32nd) N'Keal Harry - Too early to say how he'll pan out (only played half the season), but needs a huge year 2 jump to be a success


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    #3915
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 10,065 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    He's needs to hit big time in the draft.
    Since that 2012 draft, when we got Jones and Hightower in the first round:
    2013 - traded away
    2014 - (29th) Dominique Easley - failure
    2015 - (32d) Malcom Brown- didn't show first round talent, but was consistently available and left with 2 rings
    2016 - traded away
    2017 - Deflategate rubbish :rolleyes:
    2018 - (23rd) Isaiah Wynn - rarely started due to injuries
    2018 - (31) Sony Michel - doesn't show 1st round talent, not a factor in the passing game, likely to be gone after year 4
    2019 - (32nd) N'Keal Harry - Too early to say how he'll pan out (only played half the season), but needs a huge year 2 jump to be a success

    He's much better at evaluating players already in the league, than drafting. His two best draftees were Gronk and Jimmy imo. His approach makes sense, in that he can trade.picks for known quantities, but it's mega frustrating watching other teams hit on talent when we've whiffed more than often. Taking Sony over Chubb, or Harry over literally any WR drafted last year.


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    #3916
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,854 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    So we are running down Sony now who had no OL help last season and N'Keal who was out for a lot of training camp and a good portion of the season.
    I don't know what to say to you. Like if we had an OL last season then I could understand the Michel criticism. Harry never seemed to be fully healthy last season, like he has to get a chance with a full training camp behind him before we can judge him.
    I think they are two top class players, hopefully we have an OL this season and we'll see the best of both.


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    #3917
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    He's much better at evaluating players already in the league, than drafting
    Overall he's drafted well. No one hits all the time.
    I just think those 1st round draft picks need to hit when you lose Brady.


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    #3918
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Who's going to start the Tampa Brady thread lads?:)


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    #3919
    AbusesToilets
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    So we are running down Sony now who had no OL help last season and N'Keal who was out for a lot of training camp and a good portion of the season.
    I don't know what to say to you. Like if we had an OL last season then I could understand the Michel criticism. Harry never seemed to be fully healthy last season, like he has to get a chance with a full training camp behind him before we can judge him.
    I think they are two top class players, hopefully we have an OL this season and we'll see the best of both.

    It's not running down Sony to recognise his short comings. He's not explosive, doesn't have top line speed and is a non-entity in the passing game. He's 2-3rd round talent, that we used a first on.

    I'll give Harry some slack, he looks strong with the ball. The TD that wasn't, vs the Chiefs was a quality effort on his part. However you compare him to his fellow draftees, and their production, and it's hard not to feel a touch aggrieved.


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    #3920
    AbusesToilets
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    Overall he's drafted well. No one hits all the time.
    I just think those 1st round draft picks need to hit when you lose Brady.

    He's drafted well at certain positions, mostly on defense. His history of WRs and RBs is less so. Compare us to the Steelers, for example, who seem to constantly hit on quality options.


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    #3921
    Earleybird
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Earleybird


    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    Who's going to start the Tampa Brady thread lads?:)

    Haha. There is one. Last post 2 years ago.


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    #3922
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Earleybird wrote: »
    Haha. There is one. Last post 2 years ago.
    Bump it up!


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    #3923
    el Fenomeno
    Registered Users Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Adrian Phillips signs a 2 year deal for $6m, only $3m guaranteed. That's a fantastic pickup, very happy with our secondary.


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    #3924
    el Fenomeno
    Registered Users Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Looks like Hoyer is coming back for his third stint.

    I imagine we're going forward with Stidham.

    As much as I'll miss Tom, I'm excited to see what we can do with Stidham.


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    #3925
    Jolly Red Giant
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    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    Looks like House is coming back for his third stint.

    I imagine we're going forward with Stidham.

    As much as I'll miss Tom, I'm excited to see what we can do with Stidham.

    roflmao.gif


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    #3926
    el Fenomeno
    Registered Users Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Jolly Red Giant wrote: »
    roflmao.gif

    Care to elaborate?


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    #3927
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    Care to elaborate?
    Don’t bother. He’s banned from this thread. You can see why.


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    #3928
    el Fenomeno
    Registered Users Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Gost has been released.

    Great kicker over the years but became somewhat of a liability over the past couple of years. Onwards and upwards.


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    #3929
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 10,065 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    Gost has been released.

    Great kicker over the years but became somewhat of a liability over the past couple of years. Onwards and upwards.

    shame his record will be tarnished by his high profile misses. He was Mr. Automatic for so long. Still, Pats could legitimately have 2 more titles if not for his unfortunate timing.


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    #3930
    Big Pussy Bonpensiero
    Registered Users Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    That miss against the Broncos..


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    #3931
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,854 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ghost hasn't recovered from his injury yet. This was a cap saving move. I wouldn't be surprised to see him back once he's recovered.


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