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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #9512
    FionnK86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭FionnK86


    rebeve wrote: »
    Event201 A global pandemic exercise was launched in late 2019 , and then we have Covid 19 .Anyone else find that strange .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoLw-Q8X174

    I find it reassuring that people were planning for this, but disappointing that the governments of world hadn’t invested enough resources to it.


  • #9513
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    storker wrote: »
    I've been wondering how much different cultures' definitions of personal space might have an impact on the rate at which the virus spreads.

    https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/understanding-personal-space-proxemics/
    Don't take it personally but ppl here are really dirty compared to other states. Like there will be one towel for 100 kids. Ireland is kill.


  • #9514
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    People don't seem to get into their tiny heads that the more that they don't practice the distancing and try and live like normal, the longer their lives won't get back to actual normal.


  • #9515
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    People don't seem to get into their tiny heads that the more that they don't practice the distancing and try and live like normal, the longer their lives won't get back to actual normal.


  • #9516
    Abba987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭Abba987


    voluntary wrote: »
    UK is sooooo f**.d

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    That is so last week


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  • #9517
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    rebeve wrote: »
    Event201 A global pandemic exercise was launched in late 2019 , and then we have Covid 19 .Anyone else find that strange .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoLw-Q8X174

    Jim corr seems to think so.


  • #9518
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    How do you explain France then?

    We need to stop kidding ourselves
    They have the same cafe culture! The French also ignore the government on principle until they shut everything down. Even now they are being fined in large enough numbers.


  • #9519
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    coolshannagh28 wrote: »
    Each country which has faced the progress of this virus has had rapidly escalating numbers with the exception of those which took extreme measures like China , our rural nature may slow it down slightly.

    We will have 'rapidly escalating numbers' (depending on how you define that).

    That's a very different thing than saying it is inevitable that 'we will be hit like Italy'. There is no reason to think that is inevitable.


  • #9520
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    mick987 wrote: »
    You still believe the Chinese figures? If you do I have a bridge for sale

    As has been stated over and over again the Chinese authorities implemented a severe lockdown in Wuhan and Hubei which was strictly enforced. The WHO agree with their figures.


  • #9521
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    They're not all vacant. Many are occupied with non Covid19 cases.

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1241687680452263936


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  • #9522
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    How do you explain France then?

    We need to stop kidding ourselves

    French are a very tactile nation, they greet each other by kissing on both cheeks, that surely must account for some of the spread. Also from my experience smoking appears to be much more common in France (although I haven’t been there in a few years but I’d imagine it hasn’t changed that much since then)


  • #9523
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    PsychoPete wrote: »
    Except for shops I've seen very little social distancing, went to my usual walking spot this morning. Passed 3 groups of 5+ people walking directly beside each other likewise with anyone else I passed. People are morons
    I'm seeing this as well.
    And mostly older women.
    Great, go for a walk but stay apart FFS. You can still talk and gossip 2mtrs apart.


  • #9524
    ArchXStanton
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    Any new cases in China today?


  • #9525
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    The declining cases might indicate we've successfully managed to contain some of the spread from Italian flights and the like.

    That said I expect our numbers to rise when the virus spread related to UK flights start coming through.

    Its critically important the HSE are able to track cases coming from the UK.

    Limited flights and mandatory quarantening of UK arrivals is key.

    40,000 people are waiting to be tested by HSE.

    If we didn’t quarantine people arriving from Italy two weeks ago it’s highly unlikely we’ll do that to the UK.

    It’s very early days to say we have it under control as there are such back logs with testing. Healthcare workers are short on PPE, people are waiting over a week to be tested, we have no flight restrictions or quarantine. Personally, I don’t see how this is under control.


  • #9526
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    FionnK86 wrote: »
    I find it reassuring that people were planning for this, but disappointing that the governments of world hadn’t invested enough resources to it.
    There have been false alarms before. Neither SARS nor MERS came our way. Now we have experienced it we will be ready for the next one.


  • #9527
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Dublin is concerning though. Half the cases are here. Higher population density would play a part but I think people are being too careless as well. My parents in the rural west can take their daily constitutional. Unfortunately I think Dublin residents need to accept that they can’t have the same freedoms at the moment. I think there needs to be stricter controls in high population density areas for the good of the whole country.
    When the sun is out the streets are full like nothing is happening. No distancing whatsoever. Once morgue videos leak from major hospitals they will start following the advice.


  • #9528
    grindle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    lbj666 wrote: »
    People don't seem to get into their tiny heads that the more that they don't practice the distancing and try and live like normal, the longer their lives won't get back to actual normal.

    This is the exact opposite of the truth, social distancing prolongs the weirdness - it IS the weirdness - but we hope it saves the most lives.

    Zero social distancing & leaving everything open would allow it to run rampant and flow freely, more people would die and we'd be back to relative normality much sooner (with a guilty conscience).


  • #9529
    citysights
    Closed Accounts Posts: 288 ✭✭citysights


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    It is coming. Well wishes and hope mean nothing.

    Well giving everyone panic attacks over social media by saying things like the Italy situation is inevitable here is clearly unhelpful. Better for people to be coming up with solutions to mitigate an Italy situation here. And some people here are good thinkers and have made good suggestions like one this morning about getting shopping for elderly , keeping them right out of shop, get making masks here too young can do it, deliver shopping to elderly, wash the streets, like they did in Wuhan, all hands on deck.


    Look what women did during world war 2 when the men were away, drove trucks, did mens work, reared children, lived on rations. I came through 08 recession, lost loads so know hardship, as do loads of other people. We have to stay strong and that begins with a positive survivalist mental attitude and cooperating with everyone. Sorry for long post, but it needs to be said imo.


  • #9530
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    frillyleaf wrote: »
    40,000 people are waiting to be tested by HSE.

    If we didn’t quarantine people arriving from Italy two weeks ago it’s highly unlikely we’ll do that to the UK.

    It’s very early days to say we have it under control as there are such back logs with testing. Healthcare workers are short on PPE, people are waiting over a week to be tested, we have no flight restrictions or quarantine. Personally, I don’t see how this is under control.
    According to Paul Reid they are not, it's a distribution issue. An order of 210m PPE items has been placed in China.


  • #9531
    coolshannagh28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    Phoebas wrote: »
    We will have 'rapidly escalating numbers' (depending on how you define that).

    That's a very different thing than saying it is inevitable that 'we will be hit like Italy'. There is no reason to think that is inevitable.

    It is inevitable it is delusional to think that we wont , virologists all over the media last night and today are pointing this out , our strategy of social distancing for 2 weeks needs to be reassessed this weekend and progress to a lockdown on contact and movement.


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  • #9532
    Humberto Salazar
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    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Any new cases in China today?

    Only imported ones. Fourth day in a row if you believe the figures. However it does look like they've definitely halted this phase. Still, China is a massive country, 80000 cases a mere drop in their ocean , again if you believe the official line.


  • #9533
    Raconteuse
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    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    Don't take it personally but ppl here are really dirty compared to other states. Like there will be one towel for 100 kids. Ireland is kill.
    Ireland is kill? :confused:
    Why would people be any worse here than any other western country with showering facilities in every home, hot water, easy access to soap, disinfectant, detergent?
    is_that_so wrote: »
    They have the same cafe culture! The French also ignore the government on principle until they shut everything down. Even now they are being fined in large enough numbers.
    Smoking levels too. Very high level of smoking in China also. And Iran.


  • #9534
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They have the same cafe culture! The French also ignore the government on principle until they shut everything down. Even now they are being fined in large enough numbers.

    They are not Latin. We have a pub culture.

    This whole we are so different bull**** needs to stop. We are not.


  • #9535
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    coolshannagh28 wrote: »
    It is inevitable it is delusional to think that we wont , virologists all over the media last night and today are pointing this out , our strategy of social distancing for 2 weeks needs to be reassessed this weekend and progress to a lockdown on contact and movement.
    Nothing there to suggest a situation as bad as Italy's is inevitable. Escalation, sure - but as bad as Italy, remains to be seen.


  • #9536
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    Oh according to some, the government did nothing. That's starting to recede I think now though - maybe some are learning that there are more important things than searching obsessively for things to blame the government for (or make them up).

    The ones left though are the "It's just a strategy to repress us" fruitcakes.

    I wish somebody would tell Paddy Cosgrave. :pac: His constant grousing about the Irish government is most undignified.


  • #9537
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    'They found that COVID-19 was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper and up to 24 hours on cardboard. The new coronavirus can also last up to three days on plastic and stainless steel, the scientists concluded, adding the amount of the virus left on those surfaces decreases over time. Aerosols are solid or liquid particles that hang in the air, including fog, dust, and gas commonly used in medical procedures like ventilation and nebulizers.'

    US National Institutes of Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, UCLA and Princeton University
    {emphasis added, thanks to Gynoid original poster of link}


  • #9538
    ChikiChiki
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    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    When the sun is out the streets are full like nothing is happening. No distancing whatsoever. Once morgue videos leak from major hospitals they will start following the advice.

    I agree.

    Once morgue videos are leaked it's too late. Morgue videos from Italy should be the top item on the 6pm and 9pm news broadcasts.


  • #9539
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    French are a very tactile nation, they greet each other by kissing on both cheeks, that surely must account for some of the spread. Also from my experience smoking appears to be much more common in France (although I haven’t been there in a few years but I’d imagine it hasn’t changed that much since then)

    Again. Kidding ourselves.


  • #9540
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    They are not Latin. We have a pub culture.

    This whole we are so different bull**** needs to stop. We are not.
    No, we have a culture where a good number of people go to the pub. It's much the same as the other two in France and covers the whole gamut of demographics.


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  • #9541
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    otnomart wrote: »
    I disagree, I do not believe they are valid arguments; in my opinion they are just wishful thinking.


    What I mean to say is that we should not resign ourselves to being the next Italy because these factors will legitimately play in our favor.



    Depending on them to save us and excuse us for not taking the same measures and even more is unforgivable.


    If we don't come out of this with less deaths per capita then we have failed miserably and should be ashamed of ourselves.


    I'm locked down right now and expect to be for at least a month. I'm bored senseless but that's a small price to pay for stopping this thing taking down our health service.


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