CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

fritzelly · 22-03-2020 01:47AM

nc6000 wrote: »

Can anyone suggest a reason for the relatively small number of deaths in Germany compared to their number of confirmed positives and the size of their population?

Germany currently has 22,213 recorded positives and 84 deaths while the UK has had 233 deaths from 5,067 cases.

Germany records the deaths differently in a way - if you have coronavirus but that exacerbates an underlying condition that kills you then that condition is the reason for the death and not coronavirus, similarly if you get pneumonia and die from it then that is the cause of death

Will see if I can find the pneumonia report for 19/20 compared to the same period 18/19 - the 19/20 figures are way higher

Woodsie1 · 22-03-2020 01:47AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Financially, no. But I believe Leo and Simon Coveney have the best of the country at heart and I think any and all deaths, they will feel guilty for and it will affect them, as it will all of us.
I don't think they are heartless politicians.
Leo's speech on Paddy's day, I couldn't do without tearing up.
Simon Coveney did seem genuinely rattled and shocked giving press conferences/interviews earlier on.
And no I didn't vote for them, they done a horrid job in government.

I admire your optimism in them.

That speech was a horrible Churchill rip off for social media likes and clicks and Coveney is a cold and calculated as they come.

Id actually rather Coveney in charge because hed make the difficult decisions without worrying about his media profile(IMHO of course)

Bruce2008 · 22-03-2020 01:47AM

The more you test the more will show as haveing it... there are way more with the virus in the UK and Ireland than the figures show... unfortunately its the number of dead compared to the actual population and compare it to the first few weeks of the first death... its then you may see a comparison or hopefully not see a comparasion between us and other countries...

nc6000 wrote: »

Can anyone suggest a reason for the relatively small number of deaths in Germany compared to their number of confirmed positives and the size of their population?

Germany currently has 22,213 recorded positives and 84 deaths while the UK has had 233 deaths from 5,067 cases.

Woodsie1 · 22-03-2020 01:49AM

Tony EH wrote: »

They minimised the problem earlier and people did what they were asked to do, i.e. not go outside and congregate in groups unnecessarily.

Britain, meanwhile, had a government that was saying sure it's grand, let 60% of the population catch it miraculously we'll get "Heard Immunity" somehow.

It was only when it was pointed out that around 250,000 people could die that they changed tac.

Every country is going for herd immunity,only thing the Brits did wrong is overload the NHS by not delaying it and "flattening the curve"

Christy42 · 22-03-2020 01:50AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Yeah he's an idiot, but Bolsonaro also made similar comments and Bojo inacted herding along with saying people will have to put with their loved ones dying.

What he'll be judged on is how effectively he can flatten the curve and whether his stimulus package works. Trumps only one man, there's some smart people in his circle now like Dr.Fauci and Dr.Birx who are the ones really in charge of some of this now.

As I say anyone who really thinks a Democrat would've stopped the US from going into a recession or preventing Coronavirus coming to the US are nothing short of partisan hacks.

I imagine just not actively avoiding taking action or indeed attempting to seriously offer a message of unity instead of "you're a terrible reporter".

Sure the economy was always screwed from this and people would die. However the US response was horrific. They didn't have testing kits (working ones) till well after everyone else. They are still struggling to test with LA only testing those requiring hospital treatment at this point so their numbers are definitely miles off. They have had elected officials attempting to minimise how dangerous this is including Trump (though he has stopped others have continued). Many took the message of just a flu from Trump and have run with it.

Never mind he has started telling people there is a cure ready to go. What sort of effect will that have on any idiot who believes him?

And hey. He took praise for all the good of the stock market so he is tied to it. This includes tweeting looking for credit on one of the bounce back days in the middle of all of this.

People are not saying a democrat would have stopped all of this but the US may have been able to give a coherent response instead of this shambles where only some state/city politicians have been able to pull together serious defenses against the virua.

niallo27 · 22-03-2020 01:50AM

Tony EH wrote: »

They minimised the problem earlier and people did what they were asked to do, i.e. not go outside and congregate in groups unnecessarily.

Britain, meanwhile, had a government that was saying sure it's grand, let 60% of the population catch it miraculously we'll get "Heard Immunity" somehow.

It was only when it was pointed out that around 250,000 people could die that they changed tac.

That makes no sense, Germany has 4 times as many positive cases.

Wolf359f · 22-03-2020 01:51AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

At what rate?

looks like 1.25 rate increase.

spookwoman · 22-03-2020 01:52AM

USA just overtook Italy new case total +7,686

Rob A. Bank · 22-03-2020 01:53AM

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Money!!

Its all about the money.

From journalists to politicians every one of them has finances on the brain...the rest of us are worried about each other while these cretins are only interested in making money off this(media hype) or saving their money(elected politicians).
No doubt the longer this goes on the more Joe Soap is going to have to pay for it...Leo and his ilk wont suffer a cent

The problem was 'the Virus' and instead of just tackling 'the Virus' hard and fast... most western countries decided that the problem was 'the Virus + the Economy'.

By trying to do as little as possible about both, usually too late, they failed spectacularly to tackle either. In spite of having a month's warning about what was coming down the tracks from the China experience.

The retrospectacope is an incredibly accurate instrument !

Just Saying · 22-03-2020 01:53AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

I’ve gotta admit I still don’t understand the social distancing when outside in the open air. I go for walks with two family members, we are all self isolating. We step off the path when someone is coming turn away as if to admire the view and hold our breath momentarily. Is this going too far? I see folks are still posting annoyed messages about people meeting in the park. Surely the wind, outdoors would make it difficult for the virus to survive. We’re not close to anyone.

If you are going for a walk you are not self isolating.

Wolf359f · 22-03-2020 01:54AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Just check Dub Airport arrivals website.

Yes of course I can give a source saying these flights are full of infected people because that data has all been collected by our advanced quarantine and screening customs....

Dublin Airport is busy every day. Just pop up yourself and take a look at the people emptying from flights from everywhere you can think of.

This stuff isn't Quantum physics nor does it need detailed graphs and analysis. A pair of eyes in the head of a person with an IQ of 70+ is more than enough.

Dublin arrivals shows the plane and not the passengers.
Don't go assuming the planes are full ffs.

storker · 22-03-2020 01:56AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The problem was 'the Virus' and instead of just tackling 'the Virus' hard and fast... most western countries decided that the problem was 'the Virus + the Economy'.

Some people are still saying that the problem is "The economy + the virus".

Tony EH · 22-03-2020 01:56AM

niallo27 wrote: »

That makes no sense, Germany has 4 times as many positive cases.

Better healthcare. Quicker moves to put confirmed and non-confirmed cases into the health system.

Sorry, but this idea that there's some sort of nationwide conspiracy to hide numbers is just silly. It would be impossible to do.

22-03-2020 01:57AM

Russias numbers are even more suspect than germanys

Wolf359f · 22-03-2020 01:57AM

nc6000 wrote: »

Can anyone suggest a reason for the relatively small number of deaths in Germany compared to their number of confirmed positives and the size of their population?

Germany currently has 22,213 recorded positives and 84 deaths while the UK has had 233 deaths from 5,067 cases.

I believe they treat the underline medical condition as the cause of death.
Some believe it's because they have a higher number of machines that oxygenate the blood (no need to ventilate the lungs) but their ICU numbers would be higher though.
So I'm leaning toward them reporting the underline condition as cause of death.

trumptheman · 22-03-2020 01:58AM

Just Saying wrote: »

If you are going for a walk you are not self isolating.

Depends really. If streets are busy then your not.

Wolf359f · 22-03-2020 01:58AM

spookwoman wrote: »

USA just overtook Italy new case total +7,686

You mean Spain?

wakka12 · 22-03-2020 01:58AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Better healthcare. Quicker moves to put confirmed and non-confirmed cases into the health system.

Sorry, but this idea that there's some sort of nationwide conspiracy to hide numbers is just silly. It would be impossible to do.

Not a conspiracy, but a simply a different means of assessing cause of death to some other countries. Anyway, Germany absolutely is not publicly disclosing much of the information. The serious/critical cases is not updated, it has remained at 2 for almost a week despite a growth of about 15,000 new cases, nor has the figure for recovered cases, which remains at about 1% of total cases, while it is around 10% in most other countries at a similar stage in the epidemic

JP Liz V1 · 22-03-2020 01:58AM

How are markets, marts and car boot sales still on? Some older folks are as bad as the teenagers not taking seriously

Tony EH · 22-03-2020 01:59AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I believe they treat the underline medical condition as the cause of death.

Why. Where did this idea come from?

forgodssake · 22-03-2020 01:59AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Germany records the deaths differently in a way - if you have coronavirus but that exacerbates an underlying condition that kills you then that condition is the reason for the death and not coronavirus, similarly if you get pneumonia and die from it then that is the cause of death

Will see if I can find the pneumonia report for 19/20 compared to the same period 18/19 - the 19/20 figures are way higher

Why dont they record it as pneumonia secondary to Corona virus ?? Genuine question . Surely given the extent of this virus, for statistics they should be doing this .

Rob A. Bank · 22-03-2020 02:00AM

spookwoman wrote: »

USA just overtook Italy new case total +7,686

Woodsie1 · 22-03-2020 02:01AM

droidman123 wrote: »

Russias numbers are even more suspect than germanys

Russia locked its Chinese border within days of this thing kicking off over there.
I reckon any flights from China after were sent to the gulags for quarantine once landed.
No fcuking about in Russia they dont give a chite about political correctness.

SharpshooterTom · 22-03-2020 02:01AM

spookwoman wrote: »

USA just overtook Italy new case total +7,686

It has 6 times the population so it probably should have 6 times the number of cases.

Here's the number cases per million (ignoring tiny countries like San Marino and the Faroe Islands)

Italy - 886
Switzerland -793
Spain - 545
Norway - 399
Austria - 332
Germany - 267
Iran - 245
Belgium - 243

The USA is quite a bit down the list at 79. Their mortality rate is also relatively speaking OK.

wakka12 · 22-03-2020 02:02AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Why. Where did this idea come from?

Because that is just how it looks. South Korea widely regarded as reacting in the most efficient manner possible to this pandemic has a mortality rate 4x times higher than Germany and South Korea is also much less overwhelmed in terms of total numbers of cases and concentration of new cases all at a similar time. Germany also has the 3rd oldest population in the world, several years older even than Italy.

JP Liz V1 · 22-03-2020 02:02AM

Xertz wrote: »

I'm honestly not sure, but if you test negative, and you have symptoms you should really continue to self isolate until it can be proven you don't have COVID-19.

Perhaps someone could clarify what the protocol is with the HSE at the moment.

It would seem logical that if the symptoms match, you assume the person is infected until at least a 2nd test proves otherwise.

The availability of tests (globally) has been challenging due to the speed and scale of this thing.

What is the length to self isolate, 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 2 months?

FVP3 · 22-03-2020 02:04AM

droidman123 wrote: »

Russias numbers are even more suspect than germanys

I too agree that the <country I dont like>'s numbers are even more suspect than the other <country I dont like>

Westernyelp · 22-03-2020 02:04AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

It has 6 times the population so it probably should have 6 times the number of cases.

Here's the number cases per million (ignoring tiny countries like San Marino and the Faroe Islands)

Italy - 886
Switzerland -793
Spain - 545
Norway - 399
Austria - 332
Germany - 267
Iran - 245
Belgium - 243

The USA is quite a bit down the list at 79. Their mortality rate is also relatively speaking OK.

Seriously? can you not grasp the concept that the USA is behind Italy etc on the curve in terms of time?

fritzelly · 22-03-2020 02:04AM

forgodssake wrote: »

Why dont they record it as pneumonia secondary to Corona virus ?? Genuine question . Surely given the extent of this virus, for statistics they should be doing this .

Same as China does - some countries report all conditions on the death report saying for example pneumonia as a complication of flu - China for example does not, it only records the actual cause of death (no one dies of flu in China)

Cannot find that pneumonia report but I'm tired and drunk

Maybe S Korea does the same - it's very weird that a few countries record almost staggeringly low numbers while nearly every other country has a much higher death rate

spookwoman · 22-03-2020 02:06AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

You mean Spain?

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP