CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

Pwindedd wrote: »

I haven’t posted here much. But it’s been a great source of info, amusement in a crisis, and a study on human nature.

Still don’t know quite what to make of it all. I’ve seen a lot of genuine heartfelt compassion for others.

A lot of anger, despair and outrage - some deserved, some misdirected.

My overwhelming impression is that because we are all very different emotionally, intellectually and spiritually is that we have all reacted in very different ways. To expect everyone to just suddenly adopt the same thought process and attitude to the crisis is unrealistic. The majority have done their best to slow the spread and protect the vulnerable. The stragglers however (pub goers, group huggers, nose pickers/flickers et al) are going to need a firmer hand. We can direct our ire in that direction all we like - if it makes ya feel better then say it here and get it off your chest by all means - but let’s not make them entirely responsible. That doesn’t sit well with me at all.

The tougher restrictions will come if necessary. And that will just increase compliance and hopefully reduce spread.

My current lifestyle is actuality is not wildly different from my Pre-Covid one. Lucky me I guess.

Agree with you. You can’t leave it up to people to be responsible in a situation such as this. There is always non compliance and it is dangerous to other people. The most frustrating thing about no restrictions on travel is due to the fact we live on an Ireland we could have managed this much easier than most yet we still don’t have restrictions.

I haven’t been overly nervous about this but I now feel sad for what may happen in Ireland over the next few weeks. The lack of restrictions of people people travelling in and out of Ireland is astonishing. I would like to understand what the logic is for this as then maybe there is a reason? I just don’t understand what that reason is

paleoperson wrote: »

What's really tragic is that a lot of these "more valuable" younger people will be the same ones going around thinking they're invincible and causing the outbreaks in the first place.

It’s not just younger people. That may be more visible to you depending on where you are. I know or sports clubs , gyms etc still opening and are used mainly by adults. Again the government is latching onto one group - it’s not young people imo that need to be told - it’s their parents.

It is not fair for an adult to expect a teenager or child to comprehend the seriousness of this. I was 16 when Sep 11 happened, we just didn’t understand the significance of such an event. We knew that we had to walk over mats for the foot and mouth outbreak but again had no idea of the seriousness of it as it was ‘something bad that happened to cows’. We didn’t understand economy or other health issues. We just knew there were mats we had to use which was relatively easy to implement.

It’s irresponsible of parents to let this happen but ultimately the responsibility rests with the government.

They don’t assume people follow laws on roads for example, this is no different and needs to be policed. Imagine if they just asked everyone to stay within a speed limit for the greater good of community?

Most people will do this but there will always be people that won’t adhere to this and they are putting vulnerable people at risk. Not only are they doing that but they are putting others at risk that will need the health service over the coming months for unrelated Covid19 cases such as accidents and other emergencies . This is what they are not comprehending.

I saw adults opening defending a sports club being allowed to open today claiming that people can social distance while using it. These are people that I thought would have had more cop on - I don’t think any of them actually understand the seriousness of this so we can’t expect their children to either.

I am very proud of most people and how respectful and how much effort they are making with this. Shops, most businesses and most people I know are doing what has been asked. But the minority not doing it will likely result us being similar to Italy that we will not be able to go on walks etc like we can now.

I am starting to wonder are there big delays in testing and far more people are walking around with this than we know? I haven’t seen any figures for how many we have tested to date. Or how many people are waiting to be tested. Or how many are waiting for results.

frillyleaf wrote: »

It is not fair for an adult to expect a teenager or child to comprehend the seriousness of this.

Tripe.

paleoperson wrote: »

Tripe.

My point is it is up to the parents to control their children. They should respect what they are being asked to do and keep their children away from other children. Do you really think a 13 year old will listen or even remember to social distance? The parents shouldn’t not expect this. The responsibility lies with the parents

food for thought:

Yuval Noah Harari: the world after coronavirus

https://www.ft.com/content/19d90308-6858-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcca75

"In the days ahead, each one of us should choose to trust scientific data and healthcare experts over unfounded conspiracy theories and self-serving politicians"

On a lighter note
https://twitter.com/ladbible/status/1241092144770646016?s=20

Even without catching this Virus, it can still have big ramifications. My Father was due a scan next week before getting a lower extremity bypass and got "postponed" today. Obviously nobody's fault but still very worrying.

spookwoman wrote: »

You're saying grown adults need mammy and daddy who could be in their 70's to tell them to stop going to the gym....



???? Government is telling people and that includes parents to cop the f*ck on and social distance and it's the responsibility for parents to be parents to their children. That includes telling them that they need to practice social distancing. I take it you have children and they have had contagious childhood diseases in the past and I take it you keep them away from other children to stop the spread. Well its the same thing and the government didn't tell you to do it.

In the end it's personal responsibility and you can't blame the government if people are too thick to see whats is happening.

I’m not suggesting that people in their 70’s need to tell their children anything....Adults should have more cop on when being told ‘reduce social contact - if you don’t this will get worse’.

I’ve said over and over that it is the parent’s responsibility to parent their children - Most are doing this but there is a minority of parents not doing this . But some adults are not adhering to social distancing guidelines either. It’s not just kids.

As I’ve said repeatedly - most people are being responsible and doing as the government have asked. But it is clear a minority are not doing as asked and will likely continue to do this unless it is policed or enforced by the government.

Yes most people keep children away from other people if they have something contagious as they are decent - but there are some that are selfish and don’t do this. Comparing an average contagious disease that can be treated or vaccinated against is completely different to a new disease that is largely untreatable, has no vaccines, grounding flights and shutting down entire countries and healthcare systems.

If people aren’t being responsible I do feel it is up to the government to protect people that are vulnerable.

Do you think the government advising people not to fly to affected regions worked well? Most people took this advice on board but a minority didn’t.

Do you think everyone who flew to Cheltenham are actually doing what was asked by self isolating for two weeks on return ? Nope - some are walking around shopping in places that elderly and vulnerable people also shop in.

My quarantine routine:

7 AM: (wake me up)

8 AM: wake me up inside

9 AM: (I can’t wake up)

3 PM: wake me up inside

4 PM: (SAAAAVE ME)

5 PM: CALL MY NAME AND SAAAAVE ME FROM THE DARK

6 PM: Pesto pasta, again

trumptheman wrote: »

My only fear of death is reincarnation.

I can remember in mind when I was alive in the 1930's during World War 2.

I can remember the famine.

I can remember around the 1790's working on a farm.

May God bless you all.

With my luck I will reincarnate as me again. :rolleyes:

1882 wrote: »

I'm not much of a fan of Ben Shapiro, but his lastest podcast Ep.976 really opened my eyes to how we really should be thinking about this.

Can you summarise?

Whats the alternative to acquired herd immunity if a vaccine doesn't materialise in 6 to 12 months? A paused global society with some boffins trying to play whackamole with flaring clusters?

There's about a month or two of this current status feasible in any developed nation before the wheels come off and social order ruptures. Far, far less that that again in underdeveloped and impoverished nations; Central America, Central Africa, the subcontinent and South East Asia.

The big nations are printing money to throw at this beyond all fiscal rectitude as that will be the least of their problems if they fail.

Deleted User wrote: »

this could well be the end of Trump. He refused to heed the warnings of intelligence officials, and healthcare officials that there could be a pandemic on the way from China. He only started to take heed in March when the markets crashed.

Only started to take heed in March?? What nonsense.

The United States declared a public health emergency and issued travel restrictions from China on January 31st.

As an example of how that was seen by others, Joe Biden's response was that it proved how xenophobic Trump was:


https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1238153685991141379


And CNN moaned about how there was too many white people on the Coronavirus task force that was set up:

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1222964716320018436


But apparently it was Donald Trump who initially didn't take the virus serious they tell us.