CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

bb12 · 21-03-2020 04:01AM

food for thought:

Yuval Noah Harari: the world after coronavirus

https://www.ft.com/content/19d90308-6858-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcca75

"In the days ahead, each one of us should choose to trust scientific data and healthcare experts over unfounded conspiracy theories and self-serving politicians"

moeblogs · 21-03-2020 04:03AM

A FB poster compiled a list of Ireland's political failings in containing this virus. Never knew anything about this: Alcohol Policy Convention.. (see below) https://www.dublinconventionbureau.com/Offer/Conference/Global-Alcohol-Policy-Conference
> Leader of a tiny island nation
> Surrounded by ocean on all sides, only a few airports to monitor and a handful of sea ports - great defence position
> Hears about this new highly contagious Chinese virus months in advance
> Does nothing, leaves borders open
> Planeloads of infected Italians arriving
> Borders still open
> Disease in the country now and spreading
> Borders still open
> Invite 1,000 in from infected regions for an Alcohol Policy Convention
> Borders still open
> Cheltenham crowd let in for days, at least 10 turn out to be infected
> Borders still open
> Country in bits, situation getting out of hand now
> Borders still open
> Goes on TV, delivers empty speech with no policy announcements while rattling off Winston Churchill quotes about crisis and clichés about superhero capes
> Gets props from the media
> Borders still open

21-03-2020 04:04AM

I'm not much of a fan of Ben Shapiro, but his lastest podcast Ep.976 really opened my eyes to how we really should be thinking about this.

spookwoman · 21-03-2020 04:06AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

It’s not just younger people. That may be more visible to you depending on where you are. I know or sports clubs , gyms etc still opening and are used mainly by adults. Again the government is latching onto one group - it’s not young people imo that need to be told - it’s their parents.

You're saying grown adults need mammy and daddy who could be in their 70's to tell them to stop going to the gym....

frillyleaf wrote: »

It is not fair for an adult to expect a teenager or child to comprehend the seriousness of this. I was 16 when Sep 11 happened, we just didn’t understand the significance of such an event. We knew that we had to walk over mats for the foot and mouth outbreak but again had no idea of the seriousness of it as it was ‘something bad that happened to cows’. We didn’t understand economy or other health issues. We just knew there were mats we had to use which was relatively easy to implement.

It’s irresponsible of parents to let this happen but ultimately the responsibility rests with the government.

???? Government is telling people and that includes parents to cop the f*ck on and social distance and it's the responsibility for parents to be parents to their children. That includes telling them that they need to practice social distancing. I take it you have children and they have had contagious childhood diseases in the past and I take it you keep them away from other children to stop the spread. Well its the same thing and the government didn't tell you to do it.

In the end it's personal responsibility and you can't blame the government if people are too thick to see whats is happening.

spookwoman · 21-03-2020 04:10AM

On a lighter note
https://twitter.com/ladbible/status/1241092144770646016?s=20

owlbethere · 21-03-2020 04:11AM

moeblogs wrote: »

A FB poster compiled a list of Ireland's political failings in containing this virus. Never knew anything about this: Alcohol Policy Convention.. (see below) https://www.dublinconventionbureau.com/Offer/Conference/Global-Alcohol-Policy-Conference
> Leader of a tiny island nation
> Surrounded by ocean on all sides, only a few airports to monitor and a handful of sea ports - great defence position
> Hears about this new highly contagious Chinese virus months in advance
> Does nothing, leaves borders open
> Planeloads of infected Italians arriving
> Borders still open
> Disease in the country now and spreading
> Borders still open
> Invite 1,000 in from infected regions for an Alcohol Policy Convention
> Borders still open
> Cheltenham crowd let in for days, at least 10 turn out to be infected
> Borders still open
> Country in bits, situation getting out of hand now
> Borders still open
> Goes on TV, delivers empty speech with no policy announcements while rattling off Winston Churchill quotes about crisis and clichés about superhero capes
> Gets props from the media
> Borders still open

It's mind boggling stuff - asking the nation to slow down the spread of this virus for the greater good while they continue to invite more cases of the virus in.

nocoverart · 21-03-2020 04:17AM

Even without catching this Virus, it can still have big ramifications. My Father was due a scan next week before getting a lower extremity bypass and got "postponed" today. Obviously nobody's fault but still very worrying.

davedanon · 21-03-2020 04:24AM

owlbethere wrote: »

It's mind boggling stuff - asking the nation to slow down the spread of this virus for the greater good while they continue to invite more cases of the virus in.

Jeez. just as well you're not a UK citizen, your head would have exploded by now.

frillyleaf · 21-03-2020 04:28AM

spookwoman wrote: »

You're saying grown adults need mammy and daddy who could be in their 70's to tell them to stop going to the gym....

???? Government is telling people and that includes parents to cop the f*ck on and social distance and it's the responsibility for parents to be parents to their children. That includes telling them that they need to practice social distancing. I take it you have children and they have had contagious childhood diseases in the past and I take it you keep them away from other children to stop the spread. Well its the same thing and the government didn't tell you to do it.

In the end it's personal responsibility and you can't blame the government if people are too thick to see whats is happening.

I’m not suggesting that people in their 70’s need to tell their children anything....Adults should have more cop on when being told ‘reduce social contact - if you don’t this will get worse’.

I’ve said over and over that it is the parent’s responsibility to parent their children - Most are doing this but there is a minority of parents not doing this . But some adults are not adhering to social distancing guidelines either. It’s not just kids.

As I’ve said repeatedly - most people are being responsible and doing as the government have asked. But it is clear a minority are not doing as asked and will likely continue to do this unless it is policed or enforced by the government.

Yes most people keep children away from other people if they have something contagious as they are decent - but there are some that are selfish and don’t do this. Comparing an average contagious disease that can be treated or vaccinated against is completely different to a new disease that is largely untreatable, has no vaccines, grounding flights and shutting down entire countries and healthcare systems.

If people aren’t being responsible I do feel it is up to the government to protect people that are vulnerable.

Do you think the government advising people not to fly to affected regions worked well? Most people took this advice on board but a minority didn’t.

Do you think everyone who flew to Cheltenham are actually doing what was asked by self isolating for two weeks on return ? Nope - some are walking around shopping in places that elderly and vulnerable people also shop in.

bb12 · 21-03-2020 04:33AM

it's late and i'm tired but having discussed this with several people today i'm now leaning more towards the idea that our government are indeed following the herd immunity agenda.

a vaccine is nowhere near on the horizon despite what politicians say and promise...scientists have never been able to come up with any type of vaccine for other coronoviruses before, so this doesn't hold up much hope for one in this case and even if they did by some scientific breakthrough it could be years away..society just couldn't be shut down for that long without some serious social upheaval and unrest developing at some stage

because they have left and still are leaving the borders open and basically don't have any real controls in place, it seems like they are allowing herd immunity by stealth...i guess the social distancing mantra for now is to slow down the icu cases but in the end i think they accept that a lot of vulnerable and old will die and there's not really anything anyone can do about it.

1800_Ladladlad · 21-03-2020 04:36AM

My quarantine routine:

7 AM: (wake me up)

8 AM: wake me up inside

9 AM: (I can’t wake up)

3 PM: wake me up inside

4 PM: (SAAAAVE ME)

5 PM: CALL MY NAME AND SAAAAVE ME FROM THE DARK

6 PM: Pesto pasta, again

moeblogs · 21-03-2020 04:45AM

zvone · 21-03-2020 04:45AM

trumptheman wrote: »

My only fear of death is reincarnation.

I can remember in mind when I was alive in the 1930's during World War 2.

I can remember the famine.

I can remember around the 1790's working on a farm.

May God bless you all.

With my luck I will reincarnate as me again. :rolleyes:

frillyleaf · 21-03-2020 04:52AM

nocoverart wrote: »

Even without catching this Virus, it can still have big ramifications. My Father was due a scan next week before getting a lower extremity bypass and got "postponed" today. Obviously nobody's fault but still very worrying.

I’m sorry this has happened to your dad

ceadaoin. · 21-03-2020 04:53AM

1882 wrote: »

I'm not much of a fan of Ben Shapiro, but his lastest podcast Ep.976 really opened my eyes to how we really should be thinking about this.

Can you summarise?

ceadaoin. · 21-03-2020 04:56AM

nocoverart wrote: »

Even without catching this Virus, it can still have big ramifications. My Father was due a scan next week before getting a lower extremity bypass and got "postponed" today. Obviously nobody's fault but still very worrying.

A relative of my husband over in the UK has recently been diagnosed with stage 2 breast cancer. Her planned mastectomy and chemo has been postponed and she instead is taking a drug to try and stop the spread until surgery can be performed. Another friend has had his pretty important surgery cancelled also. Absolutely shocking. They are really expecting a **** storm over there

Larbre34 · 21-03-2020 04:57AM

Whats the alternative to acquired herd immunity if a vaccine doesn't materialise in 6 to 12 months? A paused global society with some boffins trying to play whackamole with flaring clusters?

There's about a month or two of this current status feasible in any developed nation before the wheels come off and social order ruptures. Far, far less that that again in underdeveloped and impoverished nations; Central America, Central Africa, the subcontinent and South East Asia.

The big nations are printing money to throw at this beyond all fiscal rectitude as that will be the least of their problems if they fail.

21-03-2020 05:18AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Can you summarise?

Too tired and undereducated at 04:18 in the morn. Maybe tomorrow I'll have a go.

Outlaw Pete · 21-03-2020 05:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

this could well be the end of Trump. He refused to heed the warnings of intelligence officials, and healthcare officials that there could be a pandemic on the way from China. He only started to take heed in March when the markets crashed.

Only started to take heed in March?? What nonsense.

The United States declared a public health emergency and issued travel restrictions from China on January 31st.

As an example of how that was seen by others, Joe Biden's response was that it proved how xenophobic Trump was:

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1238153685991141379

And CNN moaned about how there was too many white people on the Coronavirus task force that was set up:

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1222964716320018436

But apparently it was Donald Trump who initially didn't take the virus serious they tell us.

interlocked · 21-03-2020 05:29AM

America is about to reap a whirlwind, and the most ignorant and dysfunctional president in history is in charge. God help them.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/20/new-york-center-us-coronavirus

20silkcut · 21-03-2020 05:40AM

For people defending China please watch this video or even a bit of this video.

https://youtu.be/MR-m2vnpEmM

They are blaming foreigners for the virus and forcing incoming travellers to pay for their own quarantine in China.
Whilst gearing the population up to blame foreigners for the inevitable second wave when they all return to full employment.

21-03-2020 05:47AM

20silkcut wrote: »

For people defending China please watch this video or even a bit of this video.

https://youtu.be/MR-m2vnpEmM

They are blaming foreigners for the virus and forcing incoming travellers to pay for their own quarantine in China.
Whilst gearing the population up to blame foreigners for the inevitable second wave when they all return to full employment.

You can't just link to a 48 minute video.. Any key parts or more detailed takes?

Vietnam is going through a similar phase right now in terms of it being Europeans' fault. I'm sticking to places where people know me well and know I'm not a tourist. Though I barely I go out anyway.

Though from the start of that video, I can say Vietnam is a bit different. Everyone arriving is put into forced quarantine, not just foreigners (all tourism / business travel / foreign legal residents stopped now anyways). And quarantine is free for everyone. And treatment is free for me because I have the social security medical card thing I've been paying into.

20silkcut · 21-03-2020 05:57AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You can't just link to a 48 minute video.. Any key parts or more detailed takes?

Vietnam is going through a similar phase right now in terms of it being Europeans fault. I'm sticking to places where people know me well and know I'm not a tourist. Though I barely I go out anyway.

Ok, Brief synopsis incoming travellers to China are being quarantined in hotels. Traveller must pay. Anything from €300 to €1500 cost.
New cases are being announced as traveller from France tested positive or traveller from Germany tested positive despite the fact many of these are returning Chinese nationals.
Actual foreigners are being treated differently.
Some being split from Chinese wives etc in quarantine.
Forced to put a QR code on their phone which must be used to acces shopping malls public parks etc. While also getting regular visits from Chinese police and having to produce documentation.
People from African countries not allowed entry to such places at all.
Rumours are allowed to flourish on the strictly controlled Chinese Internet that the virus is a foreign virus and did not start in China.
This clears the way for China return to business as usual and blame any future outbreaks on foreigners.
Any notion that Wet markets in Wuhan or other parts of China will be eradicated after this is fanciful in the extreme. That is not the narrative in China.

joeguevara · 21-03-2020 05:58AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Seeing some of the posts here and on other social media sites, I think it is only a matter of time that people working in shops will say fcuck it, it’s not worth it. They have been working every hour god sends and in the line of fire. If there is not much difference between what they take home and what social welfare is (without the stress and risk) it’s a no brainer.

Not sure if it has been posted but I see a dunnes branch has had a member of staff test positive. It’s on Twitter but doesn’t say which. Although it was only a matter of time, I think people who worked in shops kept the risk to the back of their mind as it went crazy with the panic buying. It was such a whirlwind. Apart from hospitals no other place had crowds of people. I wouldn’t be surprised if a fair few say enough is enough especially if some customers are becoming more tense.

21-03-2020 06:01AM

Do you live in China, 20silkcut?

joeguevara · 21-03-2020 06:21AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Only started to take heed in March?? What nonsense.

The United States declared a public health emergency and issued travel restrictions from China on January 31st.

As an example of how that was seen by others, Joe Biden's response was that it proved how xenophobic Trump was:

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1238153685991141379

And CNN moaned about how there was too many white people on the Coronavirus task force that was set up:

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1222964716320018436

But apparently it was Donald Trump who initially didn't take the virus serious they tell us.

The attached pic that someone else posted earlier was Trumps exact quotes versus actual cases.

Onn26 February he said that within a couple of days this would be zero.

On 1st March everything is under control

On 9th March it will go away

He rejected WHO testing kits in favour of developing his own in the midst of a pandemic.

initially dismissed fears over the coronavirus as a “hoax” before stating that infections were “going very substantially down, not up”. The administration promised millions of testing kits would be easily available to Americans. Didn’t happen.

He lied saying it was the same as the flu and fatalities the same.

He told people that were feeling sick should still go to work.

It was only on 13 March he declared a national emergency and blamed the Obama Administration (not a fan of Obama).

My favourite was on Monday of last week he announced that the US had a problem that a month ago didn’t exist but followed that up on the Tuesday with he felt it was a pandemic long before it was declared a pandemic and strike 3 on the Wednesday with the cracker I always treated the Chinese Virus very seriously, and have done a very good job from the beginning, including my very early decision to close the ‘borders’ from China – against the wishes of almost all. Many lives were saved.

I can put up with most things but to trot out word for word what Trump says using the mantra ‘fake news’ and ‘accusations of racism’ can’t continue. It is the same boll1x that Boris Johnson supporters continue with. Look at the facts, look at the timelines and realise that the state the US will be is because he thought he could lie his way out of it.

For convenience Channel 4 have a video with it clear as day. https://youtu.be/HvE9hCZ-jaU

Heckler · 21-03-2020 06:23AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51984725

Images from Bondi Beach on Friday showed swimmers, surfers and sunbathers packed in huge numbers onto the sand.

****ing aussie *****.

TheCitizen · 21-03-2020 06:26AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Only started to take heed in March?? What nonsense.

The United States declared a public health emergency and issued travel restrictions from China on January 31st.

As an example of how that was seen by others, Joe Biden's response was that it proved how xenophobic Trump was:

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1238153685991141379

And CNN moaned about how there was too many white people on the Coronavirus task force that was set up:

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1222964716320018436

But apparently it was Donald Trump who initially didn't take the virus serious they tell us.

LOL we’ve got Trump defenders on here now

clever user name · 21-03-2020 06:35AM

20silkcut wrote: »

Ok, Brief synopsis incoming travellers to China are being quarantined in hotels. Traveller must pay. Anything from €300 to €1500 cost.
New cases are being announced as traveller from France tested positive or traveller from Germany tested positive despite the fact many of these are returning Chinese nationals.
Actual foreigners are being treated differently.
Some being split from Chinese wives etc in quarantine.
Forced to put a QR code on their phone which must be used to acces shopping malls public parks etc. While also getting regular visits from Chinese police and having to produce documentation.
People from African countries not allowed entry to such places at all.
Rumours are allowed to flourish on the strictly controlled Chinese Internet that the virus is a foreign virus and did not start in China.
This clears the way for China return to business as usual and blame any future outbreaks on foreigners.
Any notion that Wet markets in Wuhan or other parts of China will be eradicated after this is fanciful in the extreme. That is not the narrative in China.

The quarantine thing is true, but that also applies to Chinese nationals. Some places were still letting people do it at home, but for most cities now it's a hotel for 14 days.

QR code to enter places is true, including your own residence. But again, this also applies to Chinese nationals.

Haven't been visited by police, don't know anyone who has. I'm sure it has happened in some instances though.

Foreigners (not just Africans) not being allowed to enter places has happened, but I haven't experienced it myself.

The rest I can't really comment on as I don't know, will have to wait and see what happens.

21-03-2020 06:41AM

150 doctors and nurses from Vietnam's main public hospital put in quarantine yesterday. A disaster for regular sick people. I assume similar is happening the world over?

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