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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Thats good to here. But man. This whole situation is going to leave us in a bigger hole then the crash did isnt it?

    Yes it will. But we need to share out this in a must juster way than 2008.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,246 ✭✭✭jos28


    I know we've been told that wearing a mask is a waste of time, it cannot prevent you catching the virus . Apparently it can only prevent you from transmitting it if you have it. Surely we should all wear them regardless. Many of us could be Asymptomatic, surely wearing masks would be beneficial :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Irish Times reporting the govt is to follow the UK in paying a significant portion of worker's payments if they are to be laid off. To be announced next week.

    Watched Pascal tonight on the late late and he didn't really want to talk about going down that route but mentioned that anything and everything was on the table really.

    I'd be surprised if we went down that route, simply where will the money come from. They've already committed 3 billion, which partly comes from the rainy day found amongst other sources but they're going to have to borrow huge amounts if they want to go this way.

    Also sounded like a minister who was preparing to rebuild the country again, I'd be surprised now if they didn't look for a deal on government that kept Pascal, simon and leo in there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Not 'til the Country has been riddled with this virus has our craven media even broached the most mind numbingly obvious subject.

    What kind of a Nation is it that doesn't have any journalists willing to ask the most basic of questions in the middle of a crisis?

    You couldn't even ask it in a post not to mind in the middle of a crisis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Strazdas wrote: »
    There was a good article in the Irish Times yesterday from a guy who feels we won't go the way of Italy and Spain. He used a lot of stats such as us having a much younger population than the European average, being more dispersed physically and the fact we moved quite quickly with social distancing.
    Any link to this? Interested in reading.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,115 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Not 'til the Country has been riddled with this virus has our craven media even broached the most mind numbingly obvious subject.

    What kind of a Nation is it that doesn't have any journalists willing to ask the most basic of questions in the middle of a crisis?

    Another night - same agenda


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    jos28 wrote: »
    I know we've been told that wearing a mask is a waste of time, it cannot prevent you catching the virus . Apparently it can only prevent you from transmitting it if you have it. Surely we should all wear them regardless. Many of us could be Asymptomatic, surely wearing masks would be beneficial :confused:

    Wear one if you want


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    Strazdas wrote: »
    There was a good article in the Irish Times yesterday from a guy who feels we won't go the way of Italy and Spain. He used a lot of stats such as us having a much younger population than the European average, being more dispersed physically and the fact we moved quite quickly with social distancing.

    Time will tell. From the outside looking in it looks like it's been handled quite well be Leo and his team .

    Ultimately we'll be judged probably on the numbers in 2 weeks. It's a bit surreal really.

    It's like looking at a car coming at you at speed in slow motion.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    What questions would these be ?

    Umm...…..Why have our borders remained wide open since the European outbreak began?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    Irish Times reporting the govt is to follow the UK in paying a significant portion of worker's payments if they are to be laid off. To be announced next week.

    Can't see that happening

    If someone is on 200k are they going to pay the same % as someone on 40k?

    Basic payment to everyone is what I predict


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Corkgirl20 wrote: »
    I’m still finding this so surreal!
    I think this stage is difficult because its “ the calm before the storm” and everybody is questioning and waiting to see how bad it’s going to get.
    It’s very hard to sit around and wait and hope that everything put in place is enough.

    Despite my initial reservations been watching this in other countries and I think we are doing well. Read somewhere that we have thrown more money at this per capita than South Korea who had a fantastic response.

    I'm hopeful and encouraged to date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Can't see that happening

    If someone is on 200k are they going to pay the same % as someone on 40k?

    Basic payment to everyone is what I predict

    UK capped payments at 2500/month.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    jos28 wrote: »
    I know we've been told that wearing a mask is a waste of time, it cannot prevent you catching the virus . Apparently it can only prevent you from transmitting it if you have it. Surely we should all wear them regardless. Many of us could be Asymptomatic, surely wearing masks would be beneficial :confused:

    I think they say that some people might be more likely to touch their faces to adjust the masks, than they would if they weren't wearing a mask and that's why it's not that straightforward!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Another night - same agenda

    What's the matter with you people! Why don't you give a sh1t?!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    jos28 wrote: »
    I know we've been told that wearing a mask is a waste of time, it cannot prevent you catching the virus . Apparently it can only prevent you from transmitting it if you have it. Surely we should all wear them regardless. Many of us could be Asymptomatic, surely wearing masks would be beneficial :confused:

    I think the issue is supply of masks . I know certainly if I was wearing a mask it would stop me rubbing the stubble on my face. One thing I learned in the last number of weeks is that I rub my face an outrageous number of times daily. Maybe because I so handsome. Who knows


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    jos28 wrote: »
    I know we've been told that wearing a mask is a waste of time, it cannot prevent you catching the virus . Apparently it can only prevent you from transmitting it if you have it. Surely we should all wear them regardless. Many of us could be Asymptomatic, surely wearing masks would be beneficial :confused:

    Masks can protect you and reduce the risk of getting infected. The material they are made from doesn't work like a one-way valve. The nonsense about this promulgated by some health authorities is incomprehensible, outside of being deliberately untruthful in order to preserve the supply for health workers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    Muppets on here were doing mental summersaults to deny flights with thousands of people were and are still coming into Ireland every day. Yet now that a "Professor" has pointed out the bleeding obvious the Sheeple will probably take note.


    'Muppets' and 'Sheeple' in the same post. Excellent.
    This is new for everybody. Everybody is on a steep learning curve here. Condescension helps nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    Umm...…..Why have our borders remained wide open since the European outbreak began?

    Maybe because the answer to that is so obvious that any journalist who wasn't 5 years old would have felt silly asking it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,580 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I wonder what the weekend brings regarding social distancing. Hope it happens, so many are letting the cause down


    ''I'm starting with the man in the mirror
    I'm asking him to change his ways
    And no message could have been any clearer
    If you want to make the world a better place
    Take a look at yourself, and then make a change''

    https://streamable.com/dbpmu


  • Administrators Posts: 55,029 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    jos28 wrote: »
    I know we've been told that wearing a mask is a waste of time, it cannot prevent you catching the virus . Apparently it can only prevent you from transmitting it if you have it. Surely we should all wear them regardless. Many of us could be Asymptomatic, surely wearing masks would be beneficial :confused:

    Wearing a mask is unlikely to make any difference to you, but if every Tom, Dick and Harry starts buying and wearing masks it will cause supply issues for the people who really need them, namely healthcare workers.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    Maybe because the answer to that is so obvious that any journalist who wasn't 5 years old would have felt silly asking it.

    And the answer is?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,115 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    And the answer is?

    The same one you've been told multiple nights


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    'Muppets' and 'Sheeple' in the same post. Excellent.
    This is new for everybody. Everybody is on a steep learning curve here. Condescension helps nothing.

    Contagious virus. Spreads rapidly. Try to contain as much as possible.

    I don't know how steep that can possibly be. Except perhaps for pre-schoolers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,447 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    awec wrote: »
    Wearing a mask is unlikely to make any difference to you, but if every Tom, Dick and Harry starts buying and wearing masks it will cause supply issues for the people who really need them, namely healthcare workers.

    Too late.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    fritzelly wrote: »
    The same one you've been told multiple nights

    Which is?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭Get Real


    Can't see that happening

    If someone is on 200k are they going to pay the same % as someone on 40k?

    Basic payment to everyone is what I predict

    No, but they're not doing that in the UK anyway.

    Capped at 80% up to 2.5k a month.

    Someone earning 1500 a month would get 1200.

    On 2k a month would get 1,600

    On 2.5k would get 2000.

    On 3k a month, still 2k. On 10 grand a month, still 2k.

    Point is, all amounts are significantly higher than the 820 a month currently and are to temporarily help laid off workers who can't find another job.

    I can't imagine that someone on 200k a year would a)be laid off or b) if they are, would have difficulty finding employment that pays far above 2k a month, thereby making this temporary payment irrelevant to them as they can earn more somewhere else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Possibly dumb question: if you sigh do you expel droplets? If you raise your voice do you expel droplets?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    I thought Tony Holohan seemed quite blasé tonight , a wait and see approach at this crucial stage when its obvious that only a Chinese style war footing against the virus is effective as enunciated on the Sean O Rourke show by Kingston Mills


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    bob mcbob wrote: »
    Yes at the moment almost no-one is immune so everyone is in the same boat - isolation. In say 6 weeks the infections have dropped off to manageable levels so the isolation has relaxed but maybe only 20% have immunity as they have had covid. Infections start rising again and isolation is re-introduced. The 20% will say why am I included - I have immunity. They will then probably ignore the isolation orders.
    When that happens the "we are all in this together" community spirit is broken.

    The problem with these figures is 6 weeks (42 days) and 20% of the population (about 1 million people)

    That's an average of 23,000 people getting infected per day, but the peak in the middle is going to be much much higher - you'd be around 50,000 cases per day. There is no conceivable way the health service could handle anything like these numbers without collapsing.

    I also don't think you'd ever get the peak down once you hit 50,000 a day, at that stage the health system and indeed the country is on its knees (there would be 500,000+ infectected people carrying the virus) the virus would just keep going until 70% where the experts reckon it will stop.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Don't know if this has been posted here before. Interesting article in the New Yorker about the large amount of migrant Chinese workers in Northern Italy. Might be correlated to the large spread.
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/16/the-chinese-workers-who-assemble-designer-bags-in-tuscany


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