CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

Akrasia · 20-03-2020 10:51AM

joeguevara wrote: »

I am conflicted about younger people putting themselves at risk. On the one hand I am concerned about them passing it on to higher risk or being left with long term damage but on the other hand the more people who recover and their blood tested, the quicker we get a vaccine or effective treatment.

Thats not how vaccines or treatments work

thomas 123 · 20-03-2020 10:51AM

froog wrote: »

beautiful day outside. raises the spirits.

This, so much work to do around the house thank god, shed to clean, lawns to cut(if the weather holds). Might plant some salads ðŸ˜…

Renjit · 20-03-2020 10:52AM

MOR316 wrote: »

What the **** is a boomer?

Previous generation uncle aunties breeding like there is no end.

is_that_so · 20-03-2020 10:52AM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Sorry for my ignorance,

what does, 'DoH' mean at the beginning of your sentence?

Department of Health.

MOR316 · 20-03-2020 10:52AM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

For about two weeks now i havnt gone anywhere bar work and shops for food.

Family are staying home and i am bringing supplies home.

They are spending time in garden and obviously on internet and Playstation.

(I knew i was right all along to want my games on physical disk and not relying now on the heavily burdened internet)

Same with the discs. I need the physical thing in my hand more than anything else.

I'm in the same boat except, I'll probably go for a walk this evening. I'm on my own, no one around me so I don't see any issue with it. Government and the HSE have said it's fine
(Although, someone I'm sure will be along in a minute to tell me not to listen to them, despite them initially listening to them, as was the case a few days back :rolleyes: )

TheAsYLuMkeY · 20-03-2020 10:52AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Why are people calling for people not to go outside? We're not in official lockdown so people are entitled to go out if they wish.

I now live alone and am minimizing face to face contact. I'm working from home.

Have not had a conversation with a person since last Saturday. I now have a routine of going for a walk by the sea as part of my daily shopping trip. That way I get to see people and maybe have a safe chat with shop assistant. It gives me much needed exercise which will be more difficult in the coming weeks when the inevitable lock down is in place.

Yes, I have seen people of all ages not observing distancing but what do you expect . The vast majority of people are at home as witnessed by quiet roads, streets and public transport. There will always be idiots.

Either way it's perfectly safe to go outside and get exercise once distancing is observed and people should not be criticised for it as they need to get out for mental health and exercise reasons.

Newstalk breakfast show this morning reported a memeber of the Chinese Red Cross was in Italy to advise on how they are dealing with it, he was reported to have been alarmed at the level of outdoor activity.

His advice was a lockdown means a lockdown,

People should not be going out to socialise, only if it is utterly essential.

How things are playing out in Italy would appear he is right and we need to see it here.

BluePlanet · 20-03-2020 10:53AM

Italy - New Daily Cases

Why isn't this leveling off yet?

plodder · 20-03-2020 10:53AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Why are people calling for people not to go outside? We're not in official lockdown so people are entitled to go out if they wish.

I now live alone and am minimizing face to face contact. I'm working from home.

Have not had a conversation with a person since last Saturday. I now have a routine of going for a walk by the sea as part of my daily shopping trip. That way I get to see people and maybe have a safe chat with shop assistant. It gives me much needed exercise which will be more difficult in the coming weeks when the inevitable lock down is in place.

Yes, I have seen people of all ages not observing distancing but what do you expect . The vast majority of people are at home as witnessed by quiet roads, streets and public transport. There will always be idiots.

Either way it's perfectly safe to go outside and get exercise once distancing is observed and people should not be criticised for it as they need to get out for mental health and exercise reasons.

The other thing is that most people you see out who aren't observing distancing are probably family members who live together anyway. Some people need to chill ... a bit.

SDKev · 20-03-2020 10:54AM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Newstalk breakfast show this morning reported a memeber of the Chinese Red Cross was in Italy to advise on how they are dealing with it, he was reported to have been alarmed at the level of outdoor activity.

His advice was a lockdown means a lockdown,

People should not be going out to socialise, only if it is utterly essential.

How things are playing out in Italy would appear he is right and we need to see it here.

Here’s the link https://mobile.twitter.com/TIME/status/1240889102804889600

MOR316 · 20-03-2020 10:54AM

Renjit wrote: »

Previous generation uncle aunties breeding like there is no end.

Sounds incestuous...

Is it available online anywhere?

wakka12 · 20-03-2020 10:54AM

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-schools-to-remain-open-across-australia/news-story/0a645d40ddabdf6c55f7d6a37436a5ff
Australia choosing to keep schools open despite cases doubling to almost 900 in the last 3 days

jamesf85 · 20-03-2020 10:55AM

I genuinely can't understand how/why people are hung up on how many infected we have.

"We're on track to be worse than Italy"

Really? How many tests had Italy administered at this stage after their first positive test or their first death? How many did we test that were counted with yesterdays figures? We don't even know what days were counted in yesterdays figures.

The only important number is number of deaths and amount in ICU. ICU being the main one because it has a direct relationship with the number of deaths. Everything else is just a guessing game. The virus could be anywhere from 0.2% to 3.5% death rate in those infected, we're purely speculating with anything else.

Let's focus on the positives, our first case was weeks ago, we now have 3 deaths and 7 in ICU. This is a hell of a lot better than where Italy were at this stage.

It seems people are looking for the negatives here.

otnomart · 20-03-2020 10:56AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Well that solves the mysterious low coronavirus death toll in Germany then

I found a more recent article also from Spiegel.
As per 5 March, 200 deaths by flu in Germany.
https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/grippe-mehr-als-200-tote-in-deutschland-a-c76d3b1f-811c-4fc4-b398-2e4f4e75d714

Germany is clearly good at treating coronavirus, has currently only 2 people in intensive care.
But not so at curing flu, it seems.

Hector Savage · 20-03-2020 10:56AM

BluePlanet wrote: »

Italy - New Daily Cases

Why isn't this leveling off yet?

apparently some doctors from Wuhan are in Italy now providing help and they went on TV to show themselves shocked that, even now, public transport is working in Italy and people organize parties in hotels - so maybe that ??

tobefrank321 · 20-03-2020 10:56AM

We need to introduce further "firebreaks" to slow this thing. Unfortunately the more disruptions to everyday life the more many people complain. They really don't get the seriousness of it and won't until it lands on their door. And then they will say "why didn't we do more?"

is_that_so · 20-03-2020 10:56AM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Newstalk breakfast show this morning reported a memeber of the Chinese Red Cross was in Italy to advise on how they are dealing with it, he was reported to have been alarmed at the level of outdoor activity.

His advice was a lockdown means a lockdown,

People should not be going out to socialise, only if it is utterly essential.

How things are playing out in Italy would appear he is right and we need to see it here.

We're not under lockdown, yet. The Italians, Spanish and French basically ignored the early appeals for social distancing or to curb their activities. In Italy 40,000 people have been fined for breaking it. We seem to have responded better to advice despite the anecdotal stuff.

HighLine · 20-03-2020 10:56AM

When you look at how many planes are in the air right now, it's no wonder how this virus is spreading at the rate it is. (Image from https://www.flightradar24.com/40.26,-28.76/3)

Rob A. Bank · 20-03-2020 11:00AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51963486

"Years" .....F*cking YEARS.....

Jesus, seriously thinking of doing myself in at this stage ...

Steady on... Humankind has survived far worse than this pandemic.

If the predicted surge of patients can be stopped and the curve flattened enough... so that our hospitals are not overwhelmed, things will settle down. Our hospitals will be able to cope again and something like normality will return.

The longer we can wait, the better the chances of some effective treatment being discovered. All of the researchers and labs worldwide are working flat out in a collaborative way, the like of which has not been seen before. Let us hope that they will be successful.

In the meantime... social distancing... hand washing etc. https://www2.hse.ie/coronavirus/

Tacitus Kilgore · 20-03-2020 11:02AM

HighLine wrote: »

When you look at how many planes are in the air right now, it's no wonder how this virus is spreading at the rate it is. (Image from https://www.flightradar24.com/40.26,-28.76/3)

It's ok though, the blue ones carry cure researchers

wakka12 · 20-03-2020 11:02AM

HighLine wrote: »

When you look at how many planes are in the air right now, it's no wonder how this virus is spreading at the rate it is. (Image from https://www.flightradar24.com/40.26,-28.76/3)

WTF?? I thought air traffic in Europe was down to an absolute minimum currently, like basically flights just getting some citizens back to their home countries

TheAsYLuMkeY · 20-03-2020 11:02AM

BluePlanet wrote: »

Italy - New Daily Cases

Why isn't this leveling off yet?

Because people are still socialising outdoors is what i heard this morning on Newstalk reporting on chinese red cross opinion on Italy.

mick987 · 20-03-2020 11:03AM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

If everything you do in your house is legal, why do you have curtains on your windows?

It is legal to have sex in your house, but not in-front of a window where your neighbours can see

Blazer · 20-03-2020 11:04AM

techdiver wrote: »

Have a couple of family members in the civil service. One is in a high risk category. Many of these offices are treating it like a joke. From managers laughing off issues, to people returning from high risk travel waltzing back into the office, to the archaic IT system that won't permit them to work form home, it's an absolute joke. This is across 2 different offices in 2 different geographic locations.

Ministers are publicly stating to private sector workers to work from home and avoid contact where possible (completely correctly), but then the civil servants that work from them are not afforded the same courtesy!

Maybe you should really be blaming the civil servants rather than the TDs? After all most of the incompetence is from civil servants who basically go on strike if their tea isn’t hot, plus the whole idea of upskilling seems to have been completely misunderstood by them and they see it as a opportunity to strike for a pay rise each time.
Case in point- the cops and the pulse system:
The recent IT staff who refused to work that expensive new printer that cost 800k because they needed a pay rise to upskill.

xabi · 20-03-2020 11:04AM

jamesf85 wrote: »

I genuinely can't understand how/why people are hung up on how many infected we have.

"We're on track to be worse than Italy"

Really? How many tests had Italy administered at this stage after their first positive test or their first death? How many did we test that were counted with yesterdays figures? We don't even know what days were counted in yesterdays figures.

The only important number is number of deaths and amount in ICU. ICU being the main one because it has a direct relationship with the number of deaths. Everything else is just a guessing game. The virus could be anywhere from 0.2% to 3.5% death rate in those infected, we're purely speculating with anything else.

Let's focus on the positives, our first case was weeks ago, we now have 3 deaths and 7 in ICU. This is a hell of a lot better than where Italy were at this stage.

It seems people are looking for the negatives here.

This is similar to how I am rationalizing this in my mind, the amount of testing that's happening, or lack of, is key.

gerbilgranny · 20-03-2020 11:05AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

We need to introduce further "firebreaks" to slow this thing. Unfortunately the more disruptions to everyday life the more many people complain. They really don't get the seriousness of it and won't until it lands on their door. And then they will say "why didn't we do more?"

As an older (but not heading for a gold-standard pension) clerical officer in the public service, I would be in a position to manage if I had to take 6 weeks or so unpaid leave to help flatten the curve. The work that I do is not essential at this time. In fact I feel I'd be doing more service to the public by staying isolated to help flatten the curve.

I wish the government could introduce a voluntary-stay-at-home-with-no-pay scheme.

Hector Savage · 20-03-2020 11:06AM

Btw whats the story about that Malaria drug that Trump was going on about, I had heard about it and was hopeful, but when Trump starts valling it the cure - you know somethings wrong ...

Kermit.de.frog · 20-03-2020 11:07AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB44ZZda2G0

Roger_007 · 20-03-2020 11:09AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Steady on... Humankind has survived far worse than this pandemic.

If the predicted surge of patients can be stopped and the curve flattened enough... so that our hospitals are not overwhelmed, things will settle down. Our hospitals will be able to cope again and something like normality will return.

The longer we can wait, the better the chances of some effective treatment being discovered. All of the researchers and labs worldwide are working flat out in a collaborative way, the like of which has not been seen before. Let us hope that they will be successful.

In the meantime... social distancing... hand washing etc. https://www2.hse.ie/coronavirus/

I think we can learn some lessons from the aftermath of the 1918 flu pandemic. It was quickly followed by the Roaring Twenties. Humankind seems to have a great capacity to put bad times behind them and move on with renewed zest for life.

skellig_rocks · 20-03-2020 11:09AM

wakka12 wrote: »

WTF?? I thought air traffic in Europe was down to an absolute minimum currently, like basically flights just getting some citizens back to their home countries

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-airlines-run-empty-ghost-flights-planes-passengers-outbreak-covid-2020-3?op=1&r=US&IR=T

Also a lot of them would be cargo planes.

is_that_so · 20-03-2020 11:09AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Btw whats the story about that Malaria drug that Trump was going on about, I had heard about it and was hopeful, but when Trump starts valling it the cure - you know somethings wrong ...

Trump as usual spoofing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-drugs-chloroquine.html

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