CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

Drumpot · 19-03-2020 07:00PM

Tippex wrote: »

These Italian figures are making a mockery of the numbers coming out of China IMO.
Yes I know China locked down but I truely do not believe that the only have 81k cases in a population of 1.5 billion and Italy have 41k in a population of 60 million.
China infection rate of 0.0054% versus Italy with an infection rate of 0.068% (assuming I got my maths correct)

I think your may be partially right but welding people into apartments and asking people to stop being stupid (proper social distancing) obviously yield different results.

There are people in Ireland still not getting this. I’ve had to be very careful who I have tried to warn on this up until recently but in the last few days I know somebody who has been getting worse and worse. I’m not posting anymore then that here but even people on this thread don’t know how much this news is making me even more worried for us all. I’ve been taking a lot of care but I’m now hearing a first hand account of how devastating this can be.

I’ve started warning friends and family even more now and don’t care if it scares people. I’d rather scare sense into people then say nothing. I’m sad because a lot of what I’m telling people now might of helped this person last week but as I said , a lot of people haven’t wanted to listen to me so I’ve sort of said very little.

mick987 · 19-03-2020 07:00PM

threeball wrote: »

Unless someone literally sprayed Italy with a crop duster I can't see how the figures could be so different.

Because one set is true and the other is make believe, I will let you decide which is which.

gmisk · 19-03-2020 07:01PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

This was his exact quote in the Dail earlier

They played it on Newstalk earlier and when he got to 'salads' I spat my tea out in laughter

Jesus Christ....he is such a clown

Fr Tod Umptious · 19-03-2020 07:01PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

I have no reason to question the China numbers. They reacted brilliantly.
I doubt their schoolkids went skiing when the schools closed.

I doubt any Irish ones did either.

They may have gone in early February to northern Italy before anyone knew it was a hot spot, but not since.

Hobgoblin11 · 19-03-2020 07:02PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Not in my opinion.

It's here to stay I believe.
Just a matter of when, not if, we get all get it

Fear mongers are us

CinemaGuy45 · 19-03-2020 07:02PM

marno21 wrote: »

It seems pretty evident that the higher death rate in Italy is caused by insufficient testing, meaning that the reported case numbers are vastly understated.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there was 200,000+ cases in Italy right now but the majority are going under the radar.

I hope you are right and the death rate is much lower percentage wise but we just do not know and that kind of speculation is pretty useless.

VinLieger · 19-03-2020 07:02PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

I have no reason to question the China numbers. They reacted brilliantly.
I doubt their schoolkids went skiing when the schools closed.

There is plenty of reason to disbelieve their figures, for instance they originally tried to hide it and imprisoned whistleblowers and it took till early february for them to start recording deaths from it correctly and accurately

Cork Boy 53 · 19-03-2020 07:02PM

How is Italian society still functioning at all based on what is happening there? It`s absolutely unreal.

SusanC10 · 19-03-2020 07:03PM

Question on social distancing within the family unit.

Discussing with a friend on WhatsApp whose sister has moved into the spare room and is insisting on 2m between her and her husband, kids etc.

I haven't left home since I collected our son from school last Thurs. Husband had to work Friday and went to 1 shop (DIY) on Sunday. Kids here since last Thursday.
Postman and DHL man called but other than that we have seen no-one.

BUT we haven't been socially distancing from each other at home. Husband & I still in same bed etc.

Friend and I think what we are doing is ok. But Friend's sister thinks we need to all be 2m apart at home too.

What do you guys think ?

kenmc · 19-03-2020 07:03PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

This was his exact quote in the Dail earlier

They played it on Newstalk earlier and when he got to 'salads' I spat my tea out in laughter

How is he wrong? Kids can get involved in that, get to see seeds turn into seedlings, into plants. Make them into little farmers, tending the plants, something else to keep the boredom away.
Fresh greens and vegetables ina couple of weeks, no harm at all to the immune system, might help a few more stay out of hospital.

Really can't see any negative to that suggestion at all to be honest.

YFlyer · 19-03-2020 07:04PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

Nope.

Simple as this - Assume you have it.

If you assume you have it and you are not aware, it answers a lot of these questions. Remember incubation is anything from 5-14 days.

I'm aware of that. She probably doesn't.

CinemaGuy45 · 19-03-2020 07:05PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Fear mongers are us

Look we are all going to die of some day most of us catching a bug with at least a 94% survival rate is only a minor bump in the road.

amadangomor · 19-03-2020 07:05PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I think your may be partially right but welding people into apartments and asking people to stop being stupid (proper social distancing) obviously yield different results.

There are people in Ireland still not getting this. I’ve had to be very careful who I have tried to warn on this up until recently but in the last few days I know somebody who has been getting worse and worse. I’m not posting anymore then that here but even people on this thread don’t know how much this news is making me even more worried for us all. I’ve been taking a lot of care but I’m now hearing a first hand account of how devastating this can be.

I’ve started warning friends and family even more now and don’t care if it scares people. I’d rather scare sense into people then say nothing. I’m sad because a lot of what I’m telling people now might of helped this person last week but as I said , a lot of people haven’t wanted to listen to me so I’ve sort of said very little.

People weren't welded in their apartments. They were welding entrances shut so people could only come and go through the main entrance. It was to make it harder to sneak out for unnecessary reasons.

19-03-2020 07:05PM

Are new cases announced at 20:45 again?

loughside · 19-03-2020 07:05PM

just a heads up for next monday morning, keep the lid on it for now..

https://twitter.com/i/status/1240630381776375808

Away With The Fairies · 19-03-2020 07:06PM

Two/thirds under the age of 55.

YFlyer · 19-03-2020 07:06PM

tromtipp wrote: »

With, no. For, yes, though trying to set up deliveries might be safer all round. Some small shops are good at this, and might be more available than the big supermarkets atm. And no shared meal. It's really tough explaining to someone you love that just at the moment you need to keep a distance - explain to her you can't be sure you're not carrying infection, and that when this is over you can celebrate together.

And hope that's true.

So true.

efanton · 19-03-2020 07:06PM

I'm going to throw something mad out there, but I'm wondering has this been considered by the experts.

We know this virus is going to shut down the country for many months. I understand the strategy is to slow the infection rate so that the health services do not get inundated or over loaded. But slowing down the infection rate obviously make the crisis last longer.
Eventually everyone, or at least the vast majority, will have been infected most not requiring any medical attention but for those who do the health services will be able to manage as the demand on the health service will be spread over a longer time period.

Here the mad idea
This is based on the premise that once someone has fully recovered from the virus and been quarantined for two weeks they can no longer pass the infection on, nor get the virus a second time. As far as what I have read this appears to be the case.

Surely the smart thing to do is for those that live alone, or can safely self isolate, and are perfectly healthy and also have almost no risk of the virus killing them be deliberately infected. Yes, DELIBERATELY INFECTED but isolated for two weeks so that they cannot pass on the virus unintentionally.
Once that's done those people can carry on normally, return to their jobs and businesses.

Surely the more people who get through having the virus and recovering the quicker life can get back to normal.

Now I do not profess to have any medical qualification. I'm sure there's a few here that do have the necessary background to shoot this down in flames because I have misunderstood something. If that's the case, then please do so.

But it has always baffled me why in any other type of crisis the aim is to get through it by any means as quickly as possible.
but then when dealing with a virus do we do the complete opposite and drag it out as long as possible. I get that we have to prevent hospital and health service overload, but if you can get perfectly healthy people through it surely a recovery would be much quicker.

MOR316 · 19-03-2020 07:06PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Fear mongers are us

Fear?

Not with me. Not trying to scare anyone either.
Just saying what I believe, that it will become like a seasonal flu

But again, like most in this thread, you can't have a balanced and honest view. You either have to be one extreme or the other

Spook_ie · 19-03-2020 07:06PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Question on social distancing within the family unit.

Discussing with a friend on WhatsApp whose sister has moved into the spare room and is insisting on 2m between her and her husband, kids etc.

I haven't left home since I collected our son from school last Thurs. Husband had to work Friday and went to 1 shop (DIY) on Sunday. Kids here since last Thursday.
Postman and DHL man called but other than that we have seen no-one.

BUT we haven't been socially distancing from each other at home. Husband & I still in same bed etc.

Friend and I think what we are doing is ok. But Friend's sister thinks we need to all be 2m apart at home too.

What do you guys think ?

Unless you're locking yourself in a room with en suite and food is being delivered to you then you're probably going to catch it anyway, and unless who ever is prepping the meals is fastidiously hygienic then you'll still likely catch it, so enjoy the company!

threeball · 19-03-2020 07:07PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

How is Italian society still functioning at all based on what is happening there? It`s absolutely unreal.

It isn't. I deal with alot of Italians and most are at home working from a PC. Talked to one girl the other day who rang up enquiring about something and you could tell in her voice she was really distressed. So much death around the place, in a highly urbanised environment, no green space to move around unless you walk to the park and even then you're not supposed to.

Downlinz · 19-03-2020 07:07PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Question on social distancing within the family unit.

Discussing with a friend on WhatsApp whose sister has moved into the spare room and is insisting on 2m between her and her husband, kids etc.

I haven't left home since I collected our son from school last Thurs. Husband had to work Friday and went to 1 shop (DIY) on Sunday. Kids here since last Thursday.
Postman and DHL man called but other than that we have seen no-one.

BUT we haven't been socially distancing from each other at home. Husband & I still in same bed etc.

Friend and I think what we are doing is ok. But Friend's sister thinks we need to all be 2m apart at home too.

What do you guys think ?

I would accept that if someone in the house gets the virus then it'll spread to everyone. Take your precautions outside and sanitise when returning to the house but live normally at home with your family.

eggy81 · 19-03-2020 07:07PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To give an example of the Asian response.. If I flew here five days ago and someone on that plane since tested positive, I'll be found and put into a quarantine facility. Everyone arriving right now is put into one no matter what. There is no more tourism, and flights are almost entirely going to end until the end of April.

"But we can't trust their numbers. They're Asian."

Go do something similar if you want similar results. Don't just disbelieve other countries'.

But what about our western liberties.

Mervyn Skidmore · 19-03-2020 07:07PM

kenmc wrote: »

How is he wrong? Kids can get involved in that, get to see seeds turn into seedlings, into plants. Make them into little farmers, tending the plants, something else to keep the boredom away.
Fresh greens and vegetables ina couple of weeks, no harm at all to the immune system, might help a few more stay out of hospital.

Really can't see any negative to that suggestion at all to be honest.

If Trump or Johnson said it would you say the same?

redarmy · 19-03-2020 07:07PM

Breaking: 191 new cases of Coronavirus confirmed in Ireland.

A third patient has died.

Number of cases on the island of Ireland rises to 634. (557 in the Republic)

niallo27 · 19-03-2020 07:07PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

How is Italian society still functioning at all based on what is happening there? It`s absolutely unreal.

Because there are 60 million people who havent got it or havent been tested.

An Ciarraioch · 19-03-2020 07:07PM

191 cases today, 557 in all.

Goldengirl · 19-03-2020 07:08PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Hard core stuff. I wonder how much of a copy and paste our lads will do from that or vice versa based on the similarities of the legal system. (I've no idea what the Irish government has proposed so apologies)

Irish government has addressed all of this already.

19-03-2020 07:08PM

redarmy wrote: »

Breaking: 191 new cases of Coronavirus confirmed in Ireland.

A third patient has died.

Number of cases on the island of Ireland rises to 634. (557 in the Republic)

Where is this from?

wadacrack · 19-03-2020 07:08PM

Huge increase, very worrying news

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP