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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #1502
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Once public opinion goes that way. Leo is a populist, he'll do whatever he thinks makes him look good.

    This should be a pinned post. I concur


  • #1503
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Boggles wrote: »
    It's their projection.

    No it isn't. It is their worst case scenario. Not their most likely.


  • #1504
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Is there a bit of a head cold going around too?

    I am sneezing, blowing the nose and am tired. I have noticed my coworkers have similar symptoms. Nobody is coughing though


  • #1505
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    If we believe what's coming out of the UK? 10-12 weeks until the peak.
    It's hard to believe an awful lot coming out of the UK. Until Monday last their "brilliant" plan was the way to go.


  • #1506
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Simplistic rubbish. Shutting down an economy for a virus that is a minor illness for the vast majority of people is economic and social suicide. That is where the most hardship for most people will stem from, not the virus itself. The resources should have been focused on protecting the vulnerable.

    Not more of this Herd Immunity bolloxollogy...

    Up to 20% will need hospitalisation. 5%+ will need ICU treatment.

    It will swamp the health system and mean those with other life threatening illnesses that are not Covid-19 will be impacted. Some fatally. More health workers will get it and be put out of commission.

    People will be scared and won't go to work. People will stay at home and look after sick relatives.

    The economy will collapse anyway.

    There is a reason the British rowed back on Herd Immunity.

    The choice we have is take the pain now or eke it out and destroy the fabric of our society.


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  • #1507
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Given the economic consequences which are already at play and the much worse ones which are in the way, 75 million euros is small change. But I assume this is supply isn't ellastic and also 15 euros is the current cost just for the swab (not the rest of the logistics around mass testing). So the equation probably isn't just a matter of 15 euros multiplied by population to be tested.

    I'm sure there are other costs, as you say. I was only doing back of a paper napkin rough calculation tbh...

    Still it is worth looking into surely?

    You could double or treble that figure, and it might still easily be a drop in the ocean compared to what will happen to our economy if this thing drags on indefinitely with no vaccine ready!


  • #1508
    Syncpolice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Simplistic rubbish. Shutting down an economy for a virus that is a minor illness for the vast majority of people is economic and social suicide. That is where the most hardship for most people will stem from, not the virus itself. The resources should have been focused on protecting the vulnerable.

    Wasn't that roughly the UK's plan

    And they're dropping it slowly


  • #1509
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    This should be a pinned post. I concur

    If you think Leo is populist, have a look across the benches.


  • #1510
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,824 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Simplistic rubbish. Shutting down an economy for a virus that is a minor illness for the vast majority of people is economic and social suicide. That is where the most hardship for most people will stem from, not the virus itself. The resources should have been focused on protecting the vulnerable.

    For the vast majority of people the 'cure' will be way worse than the disease.

    Hundreds of thousands on the dole queues, tax receipts down the toilet and investments into critical services will have to be drastically slashed. The coming recession will kill way more people than the virus - just over a longer period and without the newspaper headlines.

    People over 65 could have been quarantined without any major effect on the economy.


  • #1511
    Snow Garden
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    We may start to see the Cheltenham spike by the weekend.


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  • #1512
    utyh2ikcq9z76b
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    If you think Leo is populist, have a look across the benches.

    Social welfare will be getting a massive rise then as everyone will be unemployed :p


  • #1513
    Loughc
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    We may start to see the Cheltenham spike by the weekend.

    Is there not a 14 day incubation period, we could be still a week behind seeing that spike if any.


  • #1514
    Blueshoe
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    If you think Leo is populist, have a look across the benches.

    Almost all politicans are populists. That's how they get elected. Tell people what they want to hear them backtrack.


  • #1515
    Bob24
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    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    I'm sure there are other costs, as you say. I was only doing back of a paper napkin rough calculation tbh...

    Still it is worth looking into surely?

    You could double or treble that figure, and it might still easily be a drop in the ocean compared to what will happen to our economy if this thing drags on indefinitely with no vaccine ready!

    Yes couldn't agree more. If it has a significant impact in controlling the epidemic (which it seems it would based one Asian experiences) even 10 times that figure still is small change v.s. completely blocking the economy for several weeks with strict lockdowns as many continental European countries are now having to do.

    But to get the full benefit of massive testing, it has to be associated to measures making sure detected cases stay in strict quarantines (firm instructions given to them and punishment for non-compliance) as well as agressive contact tracking for each detected case.


  • #1516
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Simplistic rubbish. Shutting down an economy for a virus that is a minor illness for the vast majority of people is economic and social suicide. That is where the most hardship for most people will stem from, not the virus itself. The resources should have been focused on protecting the vulnerable.

    I think I’ll listen to the experts instead

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #1517
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Simplistic rubbish. Shutting down an economy for a virus that is a minor illness for the vast majority of people is economic and social suicide. That is where the most hardship for most people will stem from, not the virus itself. The resources should have been focused on protecting the vulnerable.

    Hold the presses! Put this person in charge, they know what to do!!!!


    I can just picture you sitting at the bar, yellowing pint of plain in front of you, as you deliver that pearl of wisdom.


  • #1518
    Humberto Salazar
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    facehugger99 wrote: »
    For the vast majority of people the 'cure' will be way worse than the disease.

    Hundreds of thousands on the dole queues, tax receipts down the toilet and investments into critical services will have to be drastically slashed. The coming recession will kill way more people than the virus - just over a longer period and without the newspaper headlines.

    People over 65 could have been quarantined without any major effect on the economy.

    The economic repercussions of this virus will last well after the last microbe is stamped out. Whether by accident or design, we're about to see a huge economic reset. Things will not be the same once this is over. Where that brings us, I do not know. In my opinion.


  • #1519
    kona
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    josip wrote: »
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    Maybe she should go sell the coverage to skysports. Get that lovely ppv money....


  • #1520
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,761 ✭✭✭threeball


    What is the form of the €750bn package annouced by the EU. Is this more money fed in to a banking system never to be seen again or does it go to government bonds.


  • #1521
    Ulysses Gaze
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    facehugger99 wrote: »
    For the vast majority of people the 'cure' will be way worse than the disease.

    Hundreds of thousands on the dole queues, tax receipts down the toilet and investments into critical services will have to be drastically slashed. The coming recession will kill way more people than the virus - just over a longer period and without the newspaper headlines.

    People over 65 could have been quarantined without any major effect on the economy.

    Why are the British rowing back on Herd Immunity if it is "so perfect"?

    Perhaps because it will destroy the NHS and lead to the economy collapsing anyway?


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  • #1522
    Snow Garden
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    Loughc wrote: »
    Is there not a 14 day incubation period, we could be still a week behind seeing that spike if any.

    Average incubation period is around 5 days.

    Cheltenham is a week long event and there is a lag on testing and results etc


  • #1523
    deisedevil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    jobeenfitz wrote: »
    I think when we start posting about "feelings" and especially other people's feelings we are just scaremongering, not saying your deliberately doing this but same effect.

    What if I posted that I had a feeling or I know someone working in a hospital that has a feeling that 25% of the population will die?

    Yes, you are right. Apologies. The opinion of those in ICU who think it's just starting to get busy now isn't any kind of solid evidence of anything. Your right, feelings aren't hard facts. I'll remember that in future.


  • #1524
    davedanon
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Almost all politicans are populists. That's how they get elected. Tell people what they want to hear them backtrack.

    No, they're not.


  • #1525
    [Deleted User]
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Is there a bit of a head cold going around too?

    I am sneezing, blowing the nose and am tired. I have noticed my coworkers have similar symptoms. Nobody is coughing though

    There absolutely are the same old bugs out there. People get sick from other things too and will continue to do so. Another reason to mind your health as best you can.


  • #1526
    TheCitizen
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    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Simplistic rubbish. Shutting down an economy for a virus that is a minor illness for the vast majority of people is economic and social suicide. That is where the most hardship for most people will stem from, not the virus itself. The resources should have been focused on protecting the vulnerable.

    Another expert that's been listening to the eejit Johnson. The idiot Johnson has even already changed tack.

    Do you think several countries across the board are shutting down industries lightly? Cop on.


  • #1527
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    So whats the plan for those northern Italian town that have no new cases ?

    They'll still need to be lockeddown .... otherwise it just all starts up again.

    Like I said, the only way lockdowns work are if they are done untill the wide availability of a vaccine


  • #1528
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Irish Distillers stepping up.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0319/1124084-irish-distillers-gel/


  • #1529
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    McWilliams saying on pat Kenny show that there is 750 billion available to hand to euro folk to spend in order to keep the economies moving. People need to spend and not hoard . Helicopter money. Hong Kong did it successfully. The Us considering it. The European Central bank gave the green light to dish it out.
    Up to Paschal now.


  • #1530
    Kaysen Fat Podiatrist
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kaysen Fat Podiatrist


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    If the economy can't deal with being shut down for a while in the interest of people's health, perhaps the problem is with the economic system.

    The laborious trawling through inane drivel is worth it for a great post like this. Well said.


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  • #1531
    threeball
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    Humberto Salazar wrote: »
    The economic repercussions of this virus will last well after the last microbe is stamped out. Whether by accident or design, we're about to see a huge economic reset. Things will not be the same once this is over. Where that brings us, I do not know. In my opinion.

    It will bounce back quicker than you think. The whole world is affected, its not like all the money is funneling towards certain areas. People are staying where they are an honkering down. Once the worst passes the appetite will grow again quickly. Flights might be restricted but that is no bad theing. We have far too much frivolous travel.


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