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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • #8882
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Trump back to his petulant nasty self again singling out the pharmaceutical companies based in Ireland saying we need to make our drugs here in the USA.
    What a nasty piece of work.

    Actually, recently on Joe Rogan, Michael Osterholm said pretty much the same , by saying "imagine if all the munitions of the US military were made in China"

    Osterholm didn't refer to Ireland, but referred to the huge amount of drugs being made in China for the U.S. market. - but pretty much meant the same thing.

    It's an enormous strategic gap for the Americans, that they are only now waking up to, thanks to Corona.


  • #8883
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    foxyladyxx wrote: »
    Same here. I am quite concerned by the breathlessness. I was symptom free for two weeks and am now suffering from a chest infection it would appear.

    If you haven't done so, definitely talk to a doctor.


  • #8884
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,477 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Coronavirus can persist in air for hours and on surfaces for days: study https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-study/coronavirus-can-persist-in-air-for-hours-and-on-surfaces-for-days-study-idUSKBN2143QP are its spreading somewhat inexplicably


  • #8885
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shesty wrote: »
    America does not the concept of "society".It is really each man for himself over there and Trump is the worst example of it.Nasty piece of goods.

    A vacuous braggart.

    https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1240003639118311424?s=19


  • #8886
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    A question for medical people, and maybe it's an idiotic one. Is there any difference in immunity gained by vaccine or having actually suffered a disease?


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  • #8887
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Trump back to his petulant nasty self again singling out the pharmaceutical companies based in Ireland saying we need to make our drugs here in the USA.
    What a nasty piece of work.

    Is there a recording of it handy anywhere?

    I was a bit confused as to what was his point, couldn't figure out whether he was saying that the US companies make lots of things in Ireland and that they can get supplies from us or was it what you are saying.


  • #8888
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    blade1 wrote: »
    He said that?
    Wow how nasty can one get.

    Thankfully even by presidential decree it will not be easy for him to get them to move back.


  • #8889
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,583 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    What? American president wants jobs in America? The cheek!
    There is a time and a place for Trump to be discussing those things. And not calling COVID-19 the Chinese virus.
    Bit bloody late now anyway.


  • #8890
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have stated the consequences already. It is not a scorched earth policy once you effectively isolate those most at risk.

    It is the best approach. It is much easier to isolate old and unhealthy people for 6 months than it is to isolate the entire population for 18 months.

    It is the best approach in a specific set of circumstances which have not been scientifically determined. Unless those circumstances are there, herd immunity is not the best approach. Suppressing it and limiting exposure until more is known is the best way forward. Also if we subject all medical staff to a virus and they are unable to work because of sickness we are banjaxed. Hence herd immunity has been suspended.


  • #8891
    Dave0301
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    gerbilgranny wrote: »
    My daughter is really upset by this news. It's such a pity that they couldn't run it even with just videos and let people vote.

    For some people Eurovision is a highlight of their year and I reckon it would have been boosted spirits (though obviously not for everyone).

    Really? :o






    :pac:


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  • #8892
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    EDit wrote: »
    My wife did, she is on the waiting list for a test (she would Probably be considered medium risk) . If she’s got it, I’ve got it.

    Best of luck to both of you. I think that's the case with most households. My own house is too small and absolutely not practical for individual self isolation... if anyone gets it, we will all have it.

    We had an outbreak of the vomit bug once and despite very best efforts, we all ended up with it.


  • #8893
    Tea drinker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    OH works in a builders providers.
    They are crazy busy.

    We were talking last night about what people would do in the event of a lengthy non-essential retail lockdown if people needed to do urgent home repairs.
    Stuff in houses breaks - hardware stores are where one gets the 'parts' to fix the breaks. What if the hardware stores are closed?

    and as regards commercial building, watching from my window I see 35 lads working on a small site near me in Dublin. They might actually get enough lads to start building houses now?

    shocking situation for many in retail and other areas getting hit immediately with this.


  • #8894
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    Schools set to close on Friday in Scotland, I wonder if NI will follow

    If Boris Johnson said people should sacrifice all their children in order to appease the Covid19 gods, or some such, the DUP would do it. Whatever Westminister says, the DUP always follows. They're clueless.


  • #8895
    Humberto Salazar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Humberto Salazar


    Kolton Zealous Sandstone wrote: »
    I emailed a plumber this morning.

    They're here now.

    The end of days has arrived.

    Did you pay him with four ply toilet rolls? It's the new currency I believe.


  • #8896
    deathbomber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 332 ✭✭deathbomber


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    The coming weeks will tell if its been blown out of proportion i suppose.

    I am aware of one confirmed case who returned from cheltenham, tested friday so maybe incubating before they left?

    3-4 more from same travel party with similar symptoms awaiting tests this week.

    Small sample but possibly quite telling.

    I cannot back this up with a source, but it's not fake news..

    to clarify, i was suggesting Cheltenham was not alone i.e. premier league attendance etc, my view is it should of been cancelled!


  • #8897
    Tea drinker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Best of luck to both of you. I think that's the case with most households. My own house is too small and absolutely not practical for individual self isolation... if anyone gets it, we will all have it.

    We had an outbreak of the vomit bug once and despite very best efforts, we all ended up with it.

    The ideas around shared lving e.g. Dun Laoghaire not looking pretty now.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0730/1066058-co-living-dun-laoghaire/


  • #8898
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/03/775467589eda-urgent-japans-hokkaido-to-lift-state-of-emergency-over-virus-on-thurs.html
    Japan lifts state of emeregency in one of the worst hit provinces


  • #8899
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A vacuous braggart.

    The WHO did not classify it as a pandemic until March 11th.

    from the CDC situation summary page:

    On January 30, 2020, the International Health Regulations Emergency Committee of the World Health Organization (WHO) declared the outbreak a “public health emergency of international concern” (PHEIC).

    On January 31, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex M. Azar II declared a public health emergency (PHE) for the United States to aid the nation’s healthcare community in responding to COVID-19.

    On March 11, WHO publicly characterized COVID-19 as a pandemic.
    On March 13, the President of the United States declared the COVID-19 outbreak a national emergency


  • #8900
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    shesty wrote: »
    America does not the concept of "society".It is really each man for himself over there and Trump is the worst example of it.Nasty piece of goods.

    Is that a fact? No American has the concept of society. You learn something newon this site everyday. Its a goldmine of information

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #8901
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Tea drinker wrote: »
    The ideas around shared lving e.g. Dun Laoghaire not looking pretty now.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0730/1066058-co-living-dun-laoghaire/

    They never were.


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  • #8902
    greenfield21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    There is a time and a place for Trump to be discussing those things. And not calling COVID-19 the Chinese virus.
    Bit bloody late now anyway.

    They are now relying on these countries for crucial supplies, why wouldn't he bring this up especially if this crisis persists. Strategic importance and removing complex supply chains along with having that expertise and knowledge back home would be huge win for America. Also the US has the most expensive meds in the world and the likes of Ireland are clearly faciliting this through their tax games on patented products.


  • #8903
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    silverharp wrote: »
    Is that a fact? No American has the concept of society. You learn something newon this site everyday. Its a goldmine of information

    That July 4th stuff, having the stars and stripes on your front lawn, "one nation under God" and all that stuff must be a figment of my imagination. Indeed , a goldmine of information here.


  • #8904
    tromtipp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭tromtipp


    Irish_peppa wrote: »
    Is a basin of dettol mixed with water of any use in the hallway when housemates arrive home to plunge their hands into? Or would it have to be changed everyday I have just one bottle of dettol was thinking to leave it there for a week at a time then refill it




    sorry, I'm sure everyone else has already said this and I'm late to the party, but Dettol doesn't kill viruses, dilute Dettol certainly doesn't kill Covid19, and any basin left for days for people to stick their hands in will become germ soup very quickly.



    It's hard to think of a more efficient way of spreading infection.


  • #8905
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    greenfield21 wrote: »
    They are now relying on these countries for crucial supplies, why wouldn't he bring this up especially if this crisis persists. Strategic importance and removing complex supply chains along with having that expertise and knowledge back home would be huge win for America. Also the US has the most expensive meds in the world and the likes of Ireland are clearly faciliting through their tax games on patented products.

    Trump doesn't like the pharma companies and how they are ripping off his base. The prices over there are unreal.


  • #8906
    Dave0301
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    UK education secretary speaking later today. All UK schools to close by the end of the week I would assume.


  • #8907
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    UK: +676 cases. No additional deaths (yet)....I think they are announced separately/later.


  • #8908
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Dave0301 wrote: »
    UK education secretary speaking later today. All UK schools to close by the end of the week I would assume.

    Scotland is closing all schools on Friday.

    The Coronavirus bill, due to be passed in the UK on Thursday, will give the Education Secretary the legal power to shut schools by order. ( they have a mixture of types of schools in the UK, with some being completely independent of the Department of Education)


  • #8909
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,855 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Dave0301 wrote: »
    UK education secretary speaking later today. All UK schools to close by the end of the week I would assume.

    Scotland and Wales closing from.Friday.


  • #8910
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    joeguevara wrote: »
    It is the best approach in a specific set of circumstances which have not been scientifically determined. Unless those circumstances are there, herd immunity is not the best approach. Suppressing it and limiting exposure until more is known is the best way forward. Also if we subject all medical staff to a virus and they are unable to work because of sickness we are banjaxed. Hence herd immunity has been suspended.
    Herd immunity has been suspended because most experts are in the pocket of big pharma. They want us to sit around for 18 months so none of us have any immunity to it and then they'll sell their vaccine to the entire planet.

    Unchecked, 10% of positive tests require hospitalisation. Actual numbers of infected are believed to be at least 15x higher than positive tests.

    So 0.6% of infected require hospitalization. We can identify most of those - elderly, diabetes etc. Put these people in very effective isolation and you can easily reduce the amount of people requiring hospitalisation 10-fold.

    Then you let the virus run through the population, 0.06% of infected will require hospitalisation. It won't be all at once, most will recover quickly, we can handle that. 99.94% of infected will get no worse than a flu.

    In 6 months time most of us will have caught it. A test to identify if you are immune and non-spreading will be over-the-counter, cheap and widely available. You can begin lifting the isolation one group at a time. They will still need to practice social distancing but their family members can all get a test to see if they are immune and non-spreading. We can wear colored badges to notify others that we are immune.

    So most coming out of isolation will not get it. The damage to the economy and daily life will be minimal.


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  • #8911
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Not a fan of Trump and he was bull****ting about being ahead of the curve on this when he actually is late to the party. But he seems to be getting his act together and dare I say it actually looking like something of a leader on this!!

    On the Irish Pharma thing he actually said Ireland was doing tremendous work in the context of being an alternative to China in term of as source of Pharma/medical device imports. He THEN went on to say about bringing that industry home.

    Here it is https://youtu.be/vvdjqrxSOFk?t=4194


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