CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) Read OP

joeguevara · 18-03-2020 07:06AM

Iceman1984 wrote: »

Our website has a very simple ordering platform, payment taken online.
Also taking orders via social media & telephone.

Is it being used or do people still want to go in person

grindle · 18-03-2020 07:10AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Is it being used or do people still want to go in person

If my company is anything to go by, websites are being swamped.

Iceman1984 · 18-03-2020 07:11AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Is it being used or do people still want to go in person

Being used but not as much as it could be, ordering online involves being organised & planning ahead. Still a lot of people want to come in for a wander around & cant understand why we aren’t operating as normal.

grindle · 18-03-2020 07:14AM

Iceman1984 wrote: »

Being used but not as much as it could be, ordering online involves being organised & planning ahead. Still a lot of people want to come in for a wander around & cant understand why we aren’t operating as normal.

Really? Christ. Most people I meet are going "overboard" but it's a valid overboard to me, our health system is crippled.

Away With The Fairies · 18-03-2020 07:15AM

Lobsterlady wrote: »

Why if she wasn't 'feeling great' and got tested did she not self isolate?

Cause people are selfish cnuts. I know someone who said they wouldn't tell anybody if they have it and continue to work!!! They're greedy for money, yet causing more people to get sick and will bring on a recession... But nope, so long as they have money.

10000maniacs · 18-03-2020 07:16AM

Got this from an American website. Don't read if you want to avoid being depressed.

We can now read the Imperial College report on COVID-19 that led to the extreme measures we've seen in the US this week.
The Imperial College team plugged infection and death rates from China/Korea/Italy into epidemic modeling software and ran a simulation: what happens if the US does absolutely nothing -- if we treat COVID-19 like the flu, go about our business, and let the virus take its course?

Here's what would happen: 80% of Americans would get the disease. 0.9% of them would die. Between 4 and 8 percent of all Americans over the age of 70 would die. 2.2 million Americans would die from the virus itself.

It gets worse. People with severe COVID-19 need to be put on ventilators. 50% of those on ventilators still die, but the other 50% live. But in an unmitigated epidemic, the need for ventilators would be 30 times the number available in the US. Nearly 100% of these patients die.

So the actual death toll from the virus would be closer to 4 million Americans -- in a span of 3 months. 8-15% of all Americans over 70 would die.

How many is 4 million people? It's more Americans than have died all at once from anything, ever. It's the population of Los Angeles. It's 4 times the number of Americans who died in the Civil War...on both sides combined. It's two-thirds as many people as died in the Holocaust.

Americans make up 4.4% of the world's population. If we extrapolate these numbers to the rest of the world (warning: MOE is high here), this gives us 90 million deaths globally from COVID-19, in 3-6 months. 15 Holocausts. 1.5 times as many people as died in all of World War II.

Now, of course countries won't stand by and do nothing. So the Imperial College team ran the numbers again, this time assuming a "mitigation" strategy: all symptomatic cases in the US in isolation. Families of those cases quarantined. All Americans over 70 social distancing.

This mitigation strategy is what you've seen a lot of people talking about when they say we should "flatten the curve": try to slow the spread of the disease to the people most likely to die from it, to avoid overwhelming hospitals.

And it does flatten the curve -- but not nearly enough. The death rate from the disease is cut in half, but it still kills 1.1 million Americans all by itself. The peak need for ventilators falls by two-thirds, but it still exceeds the number of ventilators in the US by 8 times.

That leaves the actual death toll in the US at right around 2 million deaths. The population of Houston. Two Civil Wars. One-third of the Holocaust. Globally, 45 million people die: 7.5 Holocausts, 3/4 of World War II. That's what happens if we rely on mitigation & common sense.

Finally, the Imperial College team ran the numbers again, assuming a "suppression" strategy: isolate symptomatic cases, quarantine their family members, social distancing for the whole population, all public gatherings/most workplaces shut down, schools and universities close.

Suppression works! The death rate in the US peaks 3 weeks from now at a few thousand deaths, then goes down. We hit but don't exceed the number of available ventilators. The nightmarish death tolls from the rest of the study disappear.

But here's the catch: if we EVER relax suppression before a vaccine is administered to the entire population, COVID-19 comes right back and kills millions of Americans in a few months, the same as before.

After the 1st suppression period ends in July, we could probably lift restrictions for a month, followed by 2 more months of suppression, in a repeating pattern without triggering an outbreak or overwhelming the ventilator supply. Staggering breaks by city could do a bit better.

But we simply cannot EVER allow the virus to spread throughout the entire population in the way other viruses do, because it is just too deadly. If lots of people we know end up getting COVID-19, it means millions of Americans are dying. It simply can't be allowed to happen.

How quickly will a vaccine be here? Last week three separate research teams announced they had developed vaccines. Yesterday, one of them (with FDA approval) injected its vaccine into a live person, without waiting for animal testing. That's an extreme measure, but necessary.

Now, though, they have to monitor the test subject for 14 months to make sure the vaccine is safe. This part can't be rushed: if you're going to inoculate all humans, you have to make absolutely sure the vaccine itself won't kill them. It probably won't, but you have to be sure.

Assuming the vaccine is safe and effective, it will still take several months to produce enough to inoculate the global population. For this reason, the Imperial College team estimated it will be about 18 months until the vaccine is available.

During those 18 months, things are going to be very difficult and very scary. Our economy and society will be disrupted in profound ways. And if suppression actually works, it will feel like we're doing all this for nothing, because infection and death rates will remain low.

It's easy to get people to come together in common sacrifice in the middle of a war. It's very hard to get them to do so in a pandemic that looks invisible precisely because suppression methods are working. But that's exactly what we're going to have to do.

grindle · 18-03-2020 07:20AM

Between 4 and 8 percent of all Americans over the age of 70 would die

Most important part.

Averaging, 1/15 old people. Less sanitary countries are fúcked.

Iceman1984 · 18-03-2020 07:23AM

grindle wrote: »

Really? Christ. Most people I meet are going "overboard" but it's a valid overboard to me, our health system is crippled.

About 35% of our business since last Thursday has been done online. Before that about 10%.

I’d prefer if 80% was done online now. If we keep our team healthy we can trade through this & keep our business alive and people in jobs.

All staff have been told they do not have to come to work by the way. It’s their decision.

Bullocks · 18-03-2020 07:25AM

Iceman1984 wrote: »

About 35% of our business since last Thursday has been done online. Before that about 10%.

I’d prefer if 80% was done online now. If we keep our team healthy we can trade through this & keep our business alive and people in jobs.

All staff have been told they do not have to come to work by the way. It’s their decision.

Will they get paid if they don't come to work ?

James 007 · 18-03-2020 07:26AM

Can anyone from HR give me some solid advice here. I am an Environmental Health & Safety (EHS) Specialist in a Pharma Plant. With the Covid-19 outbreak I have been asked to provide 'EHS Leadership' for the facility by working at the site fulltime.

This changed from a morning conversation that I had with the General Manager, we talked, he said you will be able to work from home, I said yes no problems, but I am not far from the facility so could come in twice a week & rotate my office with our Facilities Dept employee at the facility as the office is quite small.

All this changed in the afternoon whereby he showed me a presentation from a morning meeting from a 'Global Leader Forum' & it mentioned all essential employees for the running of the facility are required to be on site one being 'EHS Leadership'.

Guys,
I am not a member of the Site Leadership Team
We don't have an EHS Manager on site or an EHS Dept, I am the only person
I don't make EHS decisions, its always Management

Really, I am concerned that management seem to want me now to be at the facility full time & perhaps they will be the ones working from home, can anyone give me some solid advice here, thanks.

grindle · 18-03-2020 07:28AM

Iceman1984 wrote: »

About 35% of our business since last Thursday has been done online. Before that about 10%.

35% is better than I wwas expecting tbh.

In-shop sales for us are up 100% and website the same.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 18-03-2020 07:31AM

Ursabear wrote: »

Surely this isn't legal :? Kicking ppl out of accomodation because of coronavirus fears of spread https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/coronavirus-trinity-students-criticise-move-to-shut-campus-housing-1.4205145

Student accommodation has a few legal differences from renting a home.

You can do it in student accomodation but not in residential.

Iceman1984 · 18-03-2020 08:03AM

Bullocks wrote: »

Will they get paid if they don't come to work ?

No, we are a small business & would simply go bust if we did that leaving no jobs for anyone. All their hours have been reduced this week but salaries maintained once we continue to trade at an appropriate level. If they are too frightened to come to work for whatever reason their jobs will be here for them when this passes. All staff are happy with appropriate measures in store to date.

Panrich · 18-03-2020 08:23AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bit of a pity seeing friends today on Facebook getting suckered into MLMs. Same will happen all over I guess with lots not working.

What’s mlms?

Edit

It’s ok. A pyramid scheme. Not on any social media apart from here so not familiar with the term.

Blueshoe · 18-03-2020 08:23AM

Raconteuse wrote: »

What's a total lockdown? Everywhere closed except food retailers, chemists and essential services, i.e. what we're doing?

What country is that happening in because it's not Ireland. I'm on the bus to work. It's packed

joeguevara · 18-03-2020 08:24AM

Iceman1984 wrote: »

No, we are a small business & would simply go bust if we did that leaving no jobs for anyone. All their hours have been reduced this week but salaries maintained once we continue to trade at an appropriate level. If they are too frightened to come to work for whatever reason their jobs will be here for them when this passes. All staff are happy with appropriate measures in store to date.

Sounds like you are doing great things for staff and customers. Maybe local radio could publicise your online ordering. Perhaps a small draw for customers who do is an idea.

Poor_old_gill · 18-03-2020 08:27AM

I know it’s the question on everyone’s lips after last nights Taoiseach address, so I’m gona ask it:

Why can’t we just kneecap the damn virus?

Looney1 · 18-03-2020 08:27AM

What would a rent freeze mean. Living in the house for free!?? Would we have to pay it back later

Vodkat · 18-03-2020 08:33AM

James 007 wrote: »

Can anyone from HR give me some solid advice here. I am an Environmental Health & Safety (EHS) Specialist in a Pharma Plant. With the Covid-19 outbreak I have been asked to provide 'EHS Leadership' for the facility by working at the site fulltime.

This changed from a morning conversation that I had with the General Manager, we talked, he said you will be able to work from home, I said yes no problems, but I am not far from the facility so could come in twice a week & rotate my office with our Facilities Dept employee at the facility as the office is quite small.

All this changed in the afternoon whereby he showed me a presentation from a morning meeting from a 'Global Leader Forum' & it mentioned all essential employees for the running of the facility are required to be on site one being 'EHS Leadership'.

Guys,
I am not a member of the Site Leadership Team
We don't have an EHS Manager on site or an EHS Dept, I am the only person
I don't make EHS decisions, its always Management

Really, I am concerned that management seem to want me now to be at the facility full time & perhaps they will be the ones working from home, can anyone give me some solid advice here, thanks.

I'm getting Deja vu!

You have 2 options
1. Take the role they have described and hopefully you will be rewarded in the future.
2. Tell them to shove it where the sun don't shine and potentially lose your job as you were unwilling to step up to the mark when they needed you.

But I have a feeling your only looking for one answer to your question.

igCorcaigh · 18-03-2020 08:40AM

Looney1 wrote: »

What would a rent freeze mean. Living in the house for free!?? Would we have to pay it back later

I don't know, would it be for only those out of work?

I'm a renter and am so happy I started a new job back in late January. My partner is a chef and is now out of work. I'm lucky to be able to work from home, so should be able to cover our rent.

obi604 · 18-03-2020 08:43AM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I know it’s the question on everyone’s lips after last nights Taoiseach address, so I’m gona ask it:

Why can’t we just kneecap the damn virus?

That’s one of the stupidest and unfunny things I have ever seen.

BluePlanet · 18-03-2020 08:45AM

James 007 wrote: »

Can anyone from HR give me some solid advice here. I am an Environmental Health & Safety (EHS) Specialist in a Pharma Plant. With the Covid-19 outbreak I have been asked to provide 'EHS Leadership' for the facility by working at the site fulltime.

This changed from a morning conversation that I had with the General Manager, we talked, he said you will be able to work from home, I said yes no problems, but I am not far from the facility so could come in twice a week & rotate my office with our Facilities Dept employee at the facility as the office is quite small.

All this changed in the afternoon whereby he showed me a presentation from a morning meeting from a 'Global Leader Forum' & it mentioned all essential employees for the running of the facility are required to be on site one being 'EHS Leadership'.

Guys,
I am not a member of the Site Leadership Team
We don't have an EHS Manager on site or an EHS Dept, I am the only person
I don't make EHS decisions, its always Management

Really, I am concerned that management seem to want me now to be at the facility full time & perhaps they will be the ones working from home, can anyone give me some solid advice here, thanks.

Sounds like you are the only person on the ship with the skills so it's your time to shine.
Sure, the company doesn't have all their Roles and Titles compliant with whatever but that is an ecumenical matter.

Poor_old_gill · 18-03-2020 08:46AM

obi604 wrote: »

That’s one of the stupidest and unfunny things I have ever seen.

Thank you.
It’s good to know that I have carried out an accurate portrayal

frillyleaf · 18-03-2020 08:50AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Totally. Leo and Simon have fukked up Royally. Doesn't matter what heroics they perform from here on in. They made a catastrophic mistake from the get go, the results of which will begin to be realised over the next week or two.

I really hope you are wrong

my worry for people is the lack of hospital resources.

Fakediamond · 18-03-2020 08:51AM

James 007 wrote: »

Can anyone from HR give me some solid advice here. I am an Environmental Health & Safety (EHS) Specialist in a Pharma Plant. With the Covid-19 outbreak I have been asked to provide 'EHS Leadership' for the facility by working at the site fulltime.

This changed from a morning conversation that I had with the General Manager, we talked, he said you will be able to work from home, I said yes no problems, but I am not far from the facility so could come in twice a week & rotate my office with our Facilities Dept employee at the facility as the office is quite small.

All this changed in the afternoon whereby he showed me a presentation from a morning meeting from a 'Global Leader Forum' & it mentioned all essential employees for the running of the facility are required to be on site one being 'EHS Leadership'.

Guys,
I am not a member of the Site Leadership Team
We don't have an EHS Manager on site or an EHS Dept, I am the only person
I don't make EHS decisions, its always Management

Really, I am concerned that management seem to want me now to be at the facility full time & perhaps they will be the ones working from home, can anyone give me some solid advice here, thanks.

Ask to be made the EHS Manager, with commensurate paY and conditions.
Stick to your original plan of occasional site visits, always being available to visit if necessary and work from home the rest of the time. I would be very disappointed if the management team were not providing “global leadership” by being on site themselves to lead by example.

stephenjmcd · 18-03-2020 08:59AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

What country is that happening in because it's not Ireland. I'm on the bus to work. It's packed

Not sure what bus your on, but dublin city is near empty at 8am.

Very very few people around

Van.Bosch · 18-03-2020 09:00AM

If China, a country of 1.4billion people has 80,000 cases and seems to have it currently under control (who knows what will happen when they try to revert to normal), why do people think we will have 2 million cases?

Is that over the next 18 months etc?

ihdxwz4a3pem9j · 18-03-2020 09:02AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I really hope you are wrong my worry for people is the lack of hospital resources.

Resources are finite. Resourcefulness and dedication are not. The Irish health system is top class for a myriad of reasons. The response that I have seen from the government, my colleagues and hospital management has been northing short of truly terrific. We will optimise our chances in an otherwise very poor situation. This whole country is making a lot of sacrifices in the war against the virus. I know that these sacrifices will be rewarded with preserved human lives.

Have a good and safe day to all!

Happy4all · 18-03-2020 09:03AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not sure what bus your on, but dublin city is near empty at 8am.

Very very few people around

On a private bus commuting into Dublin. They are just running 1 instead of the normal 3 buses between 7 am and 7:30 am. Normally 3 full buses with 58 seat capacity. The only bus today has about 20 people onboard

STB. · 18-03-2020 09:03AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

What country is that happening in because it's not Ireland. I'm on the bus to work. It's packed

Where ?

Do you have job that you cannot work from home ? Employers are being encouraged to get people to work from home.

There are unscrupulous and selfish employers who do have these capabilities but cannot see the long term picture, i.e. they will have no workforce very soon if they ignore the advice.

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