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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • #5672
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    kyote00 wrote: »
    On Sky News at the moment, you have the UK health minister asking questions of the NHS bosses - like some sort of tribunal....

    passing the book/responsibility big time.... optics of the room setup have been very carefully setup to re-enforce this...

    they are all wedged into a small room - no spacing

    How many offices will be open tomorrow here with people at desks near each other?
    How many people will use public transport in the morning?

    This UK blaming while we are so great rhetoric is ridiculous.


  • #5673
    Ellsbells1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Ellsbells1


    How bad will this thing be if you are unlucky enough to get it? And how long will it take to recover?


  • #5674
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    Source ?
    HSE press conference with Paul Reid, referenced in RTE feed.

    More good stuff I think

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0317/1123663-coronavirus-ireland/


  • #5675
    leck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭leck


    otnomart wrote: »
    In the British Medical Journal today:
    Covid-19: ibuprofen should not be used for managing symptoms, say doctors and scientists


    https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m1086?
    "The HSE is today, (Monday 16th March 2020), advising anyone with Covid-19 to continue to take any medication you were already taking, unless you are told not to by a healthcare professional. This includes anti-inflammatories (NSAID) such as ibuprofen, naproxen or diclofenac.

    In response to false information about anti-inflammatory medication and Covid-19 circulating in media and on social media over the last 24 hours, Dr Colm Henry, Chief Clinical Officer of the HSE advises, “Only take one anti-inflammatory medication at a time. It is okay to take paracetamol and an anti-inflammatory like ibuprofen at the same time."

    Read the HSE guidelines here
    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/media/pressrel/advice-about-anti-inflammatory-medication-and-covid-19.html


  • #5676
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ellsbells1 wrote: »
    How bad will this thing be if you are unlucky enough to get it? And how long will it take to recover?
    Like the flu' for mild cases and 14 days isolation to be sure is what they have been saying.


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  • #5677
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭kyote00


    Orders of magnitude less than the UK

    Why is the UK minister questioning the NHS guy on live TV ?
    Blueshoe wrote: »
    How many offices will be open tomorrow here with people at desks near each other?
    How many people will use public transport in the morning?

    This UK blaming while we are so great rhetoric is ridiculous.


  • #5678
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    pH wrote: »
    No I'm assuming that just 5% show up for treatment, there is indeed another 20% of cases that will need some form of hospital care (but not to the level of ICU) which I HAVEN'T EVEN COUNTED.

    Once more:

    Each 1,000 people that get infected will generated 50 ICU cases (5%)
    We would need to get 3,400,000 people infected (and recovered) for herd immunity. (based on our population of 4.9 million)
    Every case over 1,000 cases PER DAY overburdens our health service and cannot be treated properly.

    Therefore 3,400,000 people getting infected at a rate of 1,000 people per day = 3,400 days (9ish years)

    Does it not also depend on the infection rate? I think I've heard figures of 20-30% infection rate for 'Spanish flu' in Ireland? Maybe this is more virulent, maybe not?


  • #5679
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Nermal wrote: »
    Your comments on the thread are valuable.

    But let’s see a source on your 1% death rate and 4% ICU requirement.

    Bearing in mind - under this strategy, the infections will predominantly be in low risk groups.

    I think you’re off, by a factor of at least ten, and we could get herd immunity in nine months, not nine years, at the cost of about 3,500 deaths.

    This virus is known to science for about 13 weeks and there are many unknowns about it..

    Making predictions about this future 'Herd Immunity' is wishful cloud cuckoo thinking IMHO.

    A significant proportion of common cold cases are due to a coronavirus and 'herd immunity' certainly does not work there. The damn thing infects the population every year without fail.


  • #5680
    maxpowers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭maxpowers


    wakka12 wrote: »
    If the mortality rate was 0.1% , the same as flu, then it would not collapse the healthcare infrastructure of Italy. Otherwise this would happen every winter in Italy during flu season. I seriously am astounded that there are so many people who STILL think this is as dangerous as flu

    Did i say it was 0.1%? No....


    More likely around 0.7%/0.8%. The number of people that will get it and not get tested is HUGE!!!


  • #5681
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    They have been closed apparently. For how long is anyone`s guess.

    The WHO's recommendation was to regulate them more tightly but not outlaw them as it would drive them underground. I have a feeling the Chinese government might go a different way now....bang bang.


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  • #5682
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Irelands Call, will be more relevant as an anthem now.


  • #5683
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    pawdee wrote: »
    Jesus, I'd murder a pint.

    Someone needs to set up a pint takeaway service.


  • #5684
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    pH wrote: »
    No it's not impossible. What evidence to you have that more than 20% of the Diamond Princess passengers actually contracted the virus?

    What flaws can you detect in this study?
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20031773v2.full.pdf

    Basic common sense. It was rampant on the boat. Nobody a clue what it was. Only 3% of the wuhan population got it. I can't open your link


  • #5685
    leck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭leck


    Some of you may remember Dan Goldman, former House Impeachment Inquiry majority counsel in the impeachment of DT.

    Here is his experience of trying to get a Covid-19 test in NY.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHbnm0nfuQA


  • #5686
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    kyote00 wrote: »
    Orders of magnitude less than the UK

    Why is the UK minister questioning the NHS guy on live TV ?

    The NHS is far greater equipped to handle an outbreak than the hse.
    You are about to find out


  • #5687
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,615 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Should be free, Gas, Electric and Broadband for everyone for next 1-3 months, what ever it takes. You can't be turning people off at this time, people with no money due to losing their jobs.
    As for clamping nurses and doctors on the front line, that's just fcking INSANE.


  • #5688
    Ellsbells1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Ellsbells1


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Like the flu' for mild cases and 14 days isolation to be sure.

    Thank you, I am just fearing the worst and because I am exclusively breastfeeding it is making me worse in thinking how will I look after my baby if I was to get it. Even though I have more or less self isolated since the kids finished school.


  • #5689
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    ironingbored wrote: »
    My wife is just back from our local SuperValu.
    Very busy, families with kids and no one observing adequate social distancing. It's no use staying inside with our families if our supermarkets are petrie dishes!

    I contacted them on FB about it and they responded saying they'd be back to me.

    Just finished watching Otto e mezzo, a daily primetime-like show on Italian TV. Number 1 message was social distancing. It is working as seen by leveling off of new cases.
    Only had to pop out for some milk and papers (stocked up way back in December), but noticed the best way to clear an area (assure 2m space) is to dress to concern folks.

    Had my lowest (level 1 of 3) of anti-flu attire (3M mask, clear glasses and gloves), but even that spooked a few folks, an old chap came round the aisle saw me and did a moonwalk backwards, the till area suddenly spaced out too.

    A few teenager lads laughed outside, but I informed them (I'm a young very healthy chap) that the WuFlu has (potential, but very low) risks to future fertility if you take a very bad dose, or have compllications (e.g. a smoker with a bad hangover, and poor diet might well comprimise their inital immunity) and lead to prolonged bout.

    After that they changed their tune, folded arms and stepped back from one another with an new expression of concern.


  • #5690
    Shelga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭Shelga


    It is only 8 days ago that the St Patrick's Day parade was cancelled.

    In the meantime, the world order as we know it has completely collapsed, for the foreseeable future. I can't even believe I'm typing these words.

    I had a fairly crap Christmas and New Year's Eve, as I'm sure many people did- but who among us thought on the 31st of December that something like this was going to be the biggest problem faced by any of us in 2020, within 3 months? I sure didn't.

    Absolutely insane times.


  • #5691
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Ellsbells1 wrote: »
    How bad will this thing be if you are unlucky enough to get it? And how long will it take to recover?

    Flu like symptoms, high temp-fever, leg pains, zero appetite, headache, dry cough, sore throat, feeling awful.......

    Feeling terrible for several days, but must keep away from others for two weeks, to be sure the virus has passed .........


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  • #5692
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Ellsbells1 wrote: »
    How bad will this thing be if you are unlucky enough to get it? And how long will it take to recover?

    Nobody can answer first question as some people never develop symptoms, some develop flu like symptoms, some require hospitalizations and some require emergency hospital treatment to keep them alive.

    2-4 weeks in most cases to recover fully and virus gone from the body


  • #5693
    pH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    Nermal wrote: »
    Your comments on the thread are valuable.

    But let’s see a source on your 1% death rate and 4% ICU requirement.

    Bearing in mind - under this strategy, the infections will predominantly be in low risk groups. The lockdown will be less disruptive and economically damaging, focused on high risk groups and those who interact with them.

    I think you’re off, by a factor of at least ten, and we could get herd immunity in nine months, not nine years, at the cost of about 3,500 deaths.

    graph2.jpg
    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
    (see page 5)

    You are correct, one possible approach would be if we absolutely locked down the old and vulnerable, and everyone else went ahead and caught it in a short period of time this would seem to be some sort of optimum outcome, but it's hard to see if we really could actually protect the vulnerable during this mass infection, and whether you could actually convince a society to do this.


  • #5694
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,331 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Should be free, Gas, Electric and Broadband for everyone for next 1-3 months, what ever it takes. You can't be turning people off at this time, people with no money due to losing their jobs.
    As for clamping nurses and doctors on the front line, that's just fcking INSANE.

    That would be perfectly doable : freeze all utility bills for the next 4-8 weeks minimum.


  • #5695
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Should be free, Gas, Electric and Broadband for everyone for next 1-3 months, what ever it takes. You can't be turning people off at this time, people with no money due to losing their jobs.
    As for clamping nurses and doctors on the front line, that's just fcking INSANE.

    Which is precisely what Macron declared in France (gas and electricity at least).


  • #5696
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,886 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Hiya. Are all of the post offices closed because of St. Patrick's Day?

    TIA.


  • #5697
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭kyote00


    The NHS guy just said they don't have enough gowns - let alone ventilators.

    I think neither the hse nor the nhs are equipped - that is the whole point....

    They have been sitting on their hands for the last week

    Blueshoe wrote: »
    The NHS is far greater equipped to handle an outbreak than the hse.
    You are about to find out


  • #5698
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    Hiya. Are all of the post offices closed because of St. Patrick's Day?

    TIA.
    Yeah they would be, all public offices would be.


  • #5699
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,812 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Gooey Looey wrote: »
    How? There are over 300 crossings. We need the gardai and forces for other duties

    Most people would obey such an edict. Say 95%+. That would be a massive step for containment purposes. To an extent we can accept that we can't control every border crossing.

    It's different to say a Hard Brexit Border where we would need to stop 99.9% of crossings and that's impossible.


  • #5700
    millb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭millb


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    Ventilators come under the equipment bracket. I assume they wont loosen restrictions too mich until there is adequate equipment to prevent massive loss of life .

    In the background no one actaully knows if we've secured 1 or 10,000 ventilators

    Poster replying to me said 40 ICU units & 10 mobile units were ordered by HSE. Private hospitals and clinics also ordered..

    Lead time is 7 weeks afaik.. Opportunity to train some additional folks.. Other poster said we have a factory in Galway or Limerick that assembles them...
    Need parts from China..


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  • #5701
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,331 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    Hiya. Are all of the post offices closed because of St. Patrick's Day?

    TIA.

    Yes, but they will all reopen tomorrow as normal (no plans to close them as of now)


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