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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • #5642
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Ran by croker earlier. There were emergency services outside it and the gates were open. Definitely activity happening.

    Maybe they should adopt a slogan "Don't croak, visit Croker"


  • #5643
    pH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    kowloon wrote: »
    It only needs to be maintained until a vaccination programme is on the go.

    So schools closed, bars shut and no travel for just 18 months then?


  • #5644
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    The EU should no longer trade with any country where wet markets exist. Its time to force this custom into the dustbin of history, as its only a matter of time before another and possibly more lethal version of coronavirus comes into existance. Already this version has knocked trillions off companies value and cost tens of millions of jobs. Its time for the EU to show real leadership.


  • #5645
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    flashforward wrote: »
    How are those numbers even possible? China have stopped this dead right at its peak, no flattening of a curve, they just turned it into a cliff edge. Doesn't add up at all

    There will be a lot of questions to be answered in due time.
    Nothing we read should be accepted without questioning


  • #5646
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    briany wrote: »
    Looking at the numbers, RoI currently stands at 223 confirmed cases at around 2 1/2 weeks since the virus officially made landfall. At the same number of days into the Italian outbreak, they hadn't confirmed much more than 20. This begs the question as to whether we're on a worse trajectory than Italy or if Ireland has been more proactive on the testing?

    I would presume the latter - at least the number of deaths and ICU cases hasn't moved, even as the overall case total rises, which suggests early detection.


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  • #5647
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,775 ✭✭✭threeball


    JanuarySnowstor wrote: »
    Leo Varadkar should close the border because of such large differences between the UK and Ireland. If Arlene wants to make her own decisions leave her off but keep them out!

    Only to be accused later of abandoning Irish people in the North. Very unlikely. It would be used as a stick to beat us forever.


  • #5648
    pawdee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭pawdee


    Jesus, I'd murder a pint.


  • #5649
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »
    Just went into Londis on parkgate street

    Get a roll made, picked up a drink and a snack

    Guy on the till wouldn't pick up any product to scan it and made me clear up the barcodes so he could scan from a distance. Also made it a point I pay with card.

    Bit OTT and arrogant if you ask me.

    Arrogant because of the way he went about it "stretch out the barcode for me, I like my health I'm sure you do too" being a condescending prick
    Nope, not seeing it as him being a prick.


  • #5650
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    pH wrote: »
    No I'm assuming that just 5% show up for treatment, there is indeed another 20% of cases that will need some form of hospital care (but not to the level of ICU) which I HAVEN'T EVEN COUNTED.

    Once more:

    Each 1,000 people that get infected will generated 50 ICU cases (5%)
    We would need to get 3,400,000 people infected (and recovered) for herd immunity. (based on our population of 4.9 million)
    Every case over 1,000 cases PER DAY overburdens our health service and cannot be treated properly.

    Therefore 3,400,000 people getting infected at a rate for 1,000 people per day = 3,400 days (9ish years)

    Your not taking into account the % that will never test positive for it at all even though they probably have it, as the previous poster pointed out, 80% of the people on the cruise ship tested negative its impossible 80% of these people were not infected.


  • #5651
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    pH wrote: »
    So schools closed, bars shut and no travel for just 18 months then?

    To be a child again


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  • #5652
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,775 ✭✭✭threeball


    ITman88 wrote: »
    Exactly. It’s doesn’t seem a realistic approach long term

    His numbers are miles out.


  • #5653
    maxpowers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭maxpowers


    The "true" mortality rate will be much closer to 0.1% than 2%. Its still alot deaths tough!


  • #5654
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,833 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    briany wrote: »
    Looking at the numbers, RoI currently stands at 223 confirmed cases at around 2 1/2 weeks since the virus officially made landfall. At the same number of days into the Italian outbreak, they hadn't confirmed much more than 20. This begs the question as to whether we're on a worse trajectory than Italy or if Ireland has been more proactive on the testing?

    Presumably it started with one or two cases in Italy and spread out gradually. We've has multiple sources of infection coming back from skiing holidays etc. over that period, fires breaking out all over the place.


  • #5655
    tikkahunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tikkahunter


    threeball wrote: »
    Only to be accused later of abandoning Irish people in the North. Very unlikely. It would be used as a stick to beat us forever.

    Of course he would , it is up to the puppets up there to take action for the people they represent. Thank god they are not in power down here .


  • #5656
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Watching BBC News UK government meeting on the Virus and there is no social spacing at all.


  • #5657
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    cosanostra wrote: »
    You're forgetting that China is an authoritarian state they can shut things down like nobody else so it's quite possible they would manage to stop it in its tracks

    Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore are doing well in their fight against the virus.

    Authoritarianism is not necessary to be successful against the virus.


  • #5658
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,775 ✭✭✭threeball


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    Of course he would , it is up to the puppets up there to take action for the people they represent. Thank god they are not in power down here .

    If you were going to do it it would have to be done by putting pressure on westminister to tell the north to follow our lead until this is over as an all island approach is needed


  • #5659
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    pH wrote: »
    These arguments are pointless - at the heart of it it comes down to a very simple model.

    For a population with age and health demographics like Ireland the rough expected figures are

    1% death rate (unavoidable)
    4% requiring intensive care (can be saved, but will die if no ICU available)

    Your comments on the thread are valuable.

    But let’s see a source on your 1% death rate and 4% ICU requirement.

    Bearing in mind - under this strategy, the infections will predominantly be in low risk groups. The lockdown will be less disruptive and economically damaging, focused on high risk groups and those who interact with them.

    I think you’re off, by a factor of at least ten, and we could get herd immunity in nine months, not nine years, at the cost of about 3,500 deaths.


  • #5660
    Lord Trollington
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    Easton Stale Sack wrote: »
    300 ventilators secured on top of our 500 already and expect to secure 100 every week from here on in. Relief to hear that now from the CMO press conference.

    Source ?


  • #5661
    pH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Your not taking into account the % that will never test positive for it at all even though they probably have it, as the previous poster pointed out, 80% of the people on the cruise ship tested negative its impossible 80% of these people were not infected.

    No it's not impossible. What evidence to you have that more than 20% of the Diamond Princess passengers actually contracted the virus?

    What flaws can you detect in this study?
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20031773v2.full.pdf


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  • #5662
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭kyote00


    On Sky News at the moment, you have the UK health minister asking questions of the NHS bosses - like some sort of tribunal....

    passing the book/responsibility big time.... optics of the room setup have been very carefully setup to re-enforce this...

    they are all wedged into a small room - no spacing


  • #5663
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,910 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Italy has a lot of connections with China through the textile industry.

    Iran is connected to China through their common hatred of the US.

    I can see how these two countries are the hardest hit outside of China tbh.

    Not your ornery onager



  • #5664
    td2008
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭td2008


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    Source ?

    HSE briefing on RTE news now


  • #5665
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    3-4 days waiting for a test to be done atm


  • #5666
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    maxpowers wrote: »
    The "true" mortality rate will be much closer to 0.1% than 2%. Its still alot deaths tough!

    If the mortality rate was 0.1% , the same as flu, then it would not collapse the healthcare infrastructure of Italy. Otherwise this would happen every winter in Italy during flu season. I seriously am astounded that there are so many people who STILL think this is as dangerous as flu


  • #5667
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Nope, not seeing it as him being a prick.

    Nor me, I felt uneasy 2 weeks ago when someone took my sandwich off me to scan it, I'd have preferred to do it myself. Contacless is great in these time until they take the card off you to scan it themselves.


  • #5668
    kevcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭kevcos


    Last months: Boards members each fully conversant in, and explicitly know how to solve, all manner of Global trade, financial and political fallouts resulting from Brexit.

    This months: Boards members demonstrate PHD level understand of virology, sociology and disaster management.

    Next months: Boards Mission to Mars?


  • #5669
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Esel wrote: »
    Italy has a lot of connections with China through the textile industry.

    Iran is connected to China through their common hated of the US.

    I can see how these two countries are the hardest hit outside of China tbh.

    Saw a post on Reddit which explained that many Chinese departed for Italy and Madrid in January. Lots of students etc.


  • #5670
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    kyote00 wrote: »
    On Sky News at the moment, you have the UK health minister asking questions of the NHS bosses - like some sort of tribunal....

    passing the book/responsibility big time.... optics of the room setup have been very carefully setup to re-enforce this...

    they are all wedged into a small room - no spacing

    Didn’t strike me as such , struck me as this is not a big deal, stiff upper lip stuff like

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • #5671
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    Of course he would , it is up to the puppets up there to take action for the people they represent. Thank god they are not in power down here .
    I guess you're referring to the DUP, whose Covid stance is based on their medical advice, the same advice that also allowed Nicola Sturgeon to make the same decisions re keeping schools open in Scotland.

    We don't know what professional advice is right or wrong yet. Westminster/Edinburgh/Belfast/Cardiff all have their top people advising, and we have Europe who dictates our Covid policy.


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