CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

PCeeeee wrote: »

Sadly I think this is the case. We need to learn from them.

They treated the schools closing etc as a holiday initially.

Didn't take it seriously.

We aren't much different.

Hopefully we start taking it more serious.

jamesf85 wrote: »

No one is willing to let people die.

No matter what route you take there's going to be casualties.

Well if it "saves" the Irish economy (as the world economy burns) some are very happy to write off peoples lives.

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

What you didn't mention was the lack of ramping up of ventilators. There is nowhere near what will be required when the ****e really hits the fan.

Ventilators come under the equipment bracket. I assume they wont loosen restrictions too mich until there is adequate equipment to prevent massive loss of life .

In the background no one actaully knows if we've secured 1 or 10,000 ventilators

pH wrote: »

If you read the imperial college epidemiology I posted you would understand why what you just posted is not correct. The UK abandoned mitigation not because they made a balls of it, but because data from Italy and elsewhere showed that their health service would not be able to cope.


This graph shows their analysis, the blue curve is their most serious attempt at mitigation and it goes on until August this year.

Anywhere where the blue curve is above that red line on the bottom is health service overload (and as you can see it's not 10% over it's 10 times overloaded) and represents hundreds of thousands of deaths, bluntly - it's a blood bath.

Ireland has done nothing special, if we go for a mitigation strategy then we too will overload our health system massively (a factor of 10 at least) and there will be tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of deaths.

The UK didn't even model the correct virus. They are going to be overrun because they acted too late. Their new graphs showed that if they continued down that path that they would have minimum 250,000 dead. They still have put the correct checks and balances in place. They are not running any particular strategy as there is no clear message. The reality is that the UK don't have a strategy. They're already running out of PPE for health workers and it hasn't even gained traction there yet.

PCeeeee wrote: »

Some way back there was talk of ventilators. Apparently there has been an order made. One poster made the point also that a ventilator requires a team and a bed to use it. It's not just as simple as buying more.

A senior nurse on the radio said an experienced nurse could oversee a number of less experienced nurses in order to ramp up capacity.

UK UPDATE

The number of UK coronavirus cases has reached 1,950 - up 407 in 24 hours.

The number of confirmed deaths will be announced later today.

PCeeeee wrote: »

Some way back there was talk of ventilators. Apparently there has been an order made. One poster made the point also that a ventilator requires a team and a bed to use it. It's not just as simple as buying more.

That's one of the reasons they are trying to get retired doctors, nurses etc. to help out.

People just aren't taking this social distancing seriously. I had to visit Aldi and Tesco today, first was Aldi were about 5 or 6 people were right on top of each other at the trolley bay, waiting for a trolley or putting trolleys back and the odd chit chats were taking place right in front of each other. The store was no different, no distance being observed in store or even at the checkouts. I waited until the queues watered down and went to pay.

Tesco was unfortunately no better, they have a sign up saying stay behind the red line and don't pass it until the customer in front has paid for their items and left the area. Any chance of people putting that into action, not a f**king hope, staff didn't seem too bothered about enforcing it either. As for the self service checkouts, another disaster, no attempt by Tesco to have someone there wiping down the machines, and then there was just more people up each others hole.

The CMO said we have 7 days to get this under control, well I'm fairly sure after today's observations we haven't a f**king hope of keeping numbers low. People just won't take it seriously or just don't give a f**k. I'm f**king disgusted by it and will keep away from Supermarkets as much as I can and when I need to go, I'll go first thing in the morning aswell to try and avoid these bunch of morons.

I honestly believe we'll get as bad as Italy or Spain because with f*ckwits carrying on as normal what hope do we really have?

The recruitment drive has started

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/oncall/

If anyone wishes to sign up to volunteer any useful skills.

This won't go away until there is a vaccine will it?

Does this mean we live like monks for the next year ?

lawred2 wrote: »

Obviously

You hardly think they are going to be lending it back out though do you?

How could any institution lend in this climate?

So how exactly are they going to contribute to the economy if money is only going one way and credit lines are disappearing?

Lend money to businesses who still have overheads when no cash is coming in, also help with paying staff.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Based on a probable death rate of 2.5% the real number of cases in Italy is likely 100,000+.

I'd say you could quadruple that. I don't see how it could be any less given the prevalence