CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) Read OP

Cilldara_2000 · 17-03-2020 02:54AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

A reminder of what the clowns told us just recently:

-“You are extremely unlikely to catch novel coronavirus from someone in Ireland,” Joe Ryan, HSE national director of services, told a briefing on Thursday.

While there have been 10 confirmed cases in the EU, the likelihood of further cases being brought into Europe is moderate, he said.

-“What we are striving to do is to try to ensure that if we do have a case here, we will minimise, and hopefully make sure there is no spread of the disease.”

- All Irish hospitals with emergency departments are in a position to provide isolation facilities in the event of cases occurring here, Mr Ryan said. If there were a large number of cases, patients would be cohorted in wards, under the plans made by the health service.

- Dr Kelleher said the health service has been planning “for a long time” for the kind of threat posed by the virus. An emergency planning group within the HSE has been meeting three times a week since the crisis erupted and is also engaging with the Department’s National Public Health Emergency Team.

My favourite...

Officials advised people who think they might be affected to phone their GP first and talk to them rather than going to the surgery. The relevant criteria are respiratory symptoms within 14 days of returning from Wuhan in China, or close contact with someone with the infection.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/risk-of-coronavirus-in-ireland-remains-moderate-says-hse-1.4156713

All this was true at the time, particularly that first point.

delly · 17-03-2020 02:55AM

I'm watching an episode of Reeling in the Years from '91 while doing some video editing and it's actually quite surreal. Remembering some of the major negative events in that series, both local and further beyond, this just dwarfs them all. At least we'll have 10 years to wait until this decade is covered by the series, so we'll get a fuller picture in 2030 :pac:.

An Ri rua · 17-03-2020 02:56AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.

relax, few cans, be grand

So, let me get this straight...
No can'ts, a few cans, and wisdom to know the difference?

BLIZZARD7 · 17-03-2020 02:56AM

Xertz wrote: »

Well yeah we’re looking at a global recession. The markets have pretty much collapsed and because we’re all so freaked out about the realities of what’s going on with the virus, they’re the least of our concern right now.

I honestly think we are headed for a situation where we are probably going to have to write off debts, print money and just get on with it.

It’s more like the aftermath of a world war than an economic crash, just without the enemies, the violence and the destroyed infrastructure.

I really think we could be looking at a decade or more to recover from this and I don’t just mean Ireland. If anything, we may emerge in better shape than many of our trading partners.

The fact is is global and is impacting big and influential countries also means that it will probably be fixed, unlike when it was just a handful of places in the financial crisis.

So I’m optimistic of a return to some kind of normality eventually but we are in for a potentially very rough ride on this. It’s unprecedented, certainly in a modern economic context, so predicting the outcome is very difficult.

Also some states that are already unstable could just fail due to lack of anything holding them together. I don’t honestly think we are one of those but there are a few, including some rather big ones.

This^

Agree with this fully- European states won't accept another few years of Austerity to pay for the black hole of debt this pandemic will leave behind. I believe that for the EU to survive as an entity they will just have to print all the money that is needed and write off any debt that is created from this mess. The likes of Italy, Spain or Ireland etc will not accept higher taxes in the aftermath.

This is going to be very rough for a while, the world will change in ways that are currently unimaginable but we will come out stronger the other side. The US stock markets had a bigger one day % drop on monday than was seen at any point in 2008 or 1929. Let that sink in.

I'd be worried about a repeat of the early 1930's in the aftermath of all this.

An Ri rua · 17-03-2020 02:58AM

delly wrote: »

I'm watching an episode of Reeling in the Years from '91 while doing some video editing and it's actually quite surreal. Remembering some of the major negative events in that series, both local and further beyond, this just dwarfs them all. At least we'll have 10 years to wait until this decade is covered by the series, so we'll get a fuller picture in 2030 :pac:.

If this dwarfs 86, and it does, then we can nearly set our watches to the moving statues! At least there'll be almost no traffic to knock them down. It was a big problem the last time they went walkabout.

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 17-03-2020 02:59AM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

All this was true at the time, particularly that first point.

Do you experience life frame-by-frame? Because three days later, not a long time by any stretch of the imagination, they changed their risk from "extremely low" to "moderate to high". Then two days after that again, they closed schools. Then two more days later, they closed pubs.

Surely clearly makes what they said at best, misinformed and at worst, wrong to the point of negligent endangerment of people's lives on a mass scale.

Xertz · 17-03-2020 02:59AM

We can look back at this but, I think there was a serious issue with it being seen as “in a far away land” and “this kind of thing doesn’t happen here.”

We are going to have to have a serious think about global bio security after this. There is no way we could afford to have repeats of this again, as unpleasant as that discussion may be. It would likely mean in future when something like this were detected somewhere, there would be an immediate lockdown of flights and travel.

We’re also going to have to be far, far more prepared to cope with a mess like this.

Frankly at this stage, hindsight is probably for the many, many papers that will be written on this and the dissection of how it ever happened in the first place.

We may have seen this coming but the vast majority in charge did not (and some still don’t - I’m looking at you Tory front bench) understand it.

Fr_Dougal · 17-03-2020 02:59AM

Xertz wrote: »

Why?

You’re looking at a scenario where there is likely to be a 20 to 30% reduction in GDP and mass unemployment.

There’s already a debt crisis underlying the current recovery.

And the stock markets have literally collapsed. There where some of the worse days on the markets that have been seen since the Wall Street crash.

All I’m saying is don’t expect this to be a walk in the park. It’s incredibly serious both from the point of view or health and welfare and the economic aftermath.

There’s no way that this is going to just be business as usual later on this year without absolutely massive and game changing economic interventions.

If we get caught up in financial accounting type austerity, it’s just not going to work.

Yes, we are heading into uncertainty. Markets have crashed, they crashed after 9/11 too; but they bounced back. Granted this time it will take longer.

You’re right, it won’t be a walk in the park, but we will recover. Right now we need mature heads on young shoulders. Hospitality will recover, most sectors will recover. It might look hopeless now, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. In a few months time we’ll look back at this and think thank feck we’re over the worst of it.

Come July/August we’ll be almost back to normal. Look at China, cases are down, people are getting back to work; they’re returning to normality. And that’s after less than 3 months.

trapp · 17-03-2020 03:03AM

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-deaths-what-we-know-about-the-uk-victims-11957568

Sky News have published information regarding those who have passed away.

Clear from the information that this virus affects the very old and those already ill.

So the idiots posting here that it can affect younger healthy people also are wrong, maybe in very very rare cases but otherwise if you're young and healthy this will almost always be mild it seems.

This virus is about the young and health protecting the elderly and vulnerable.

V8 Interceptor · 17-03-2020 03:03AM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

All this was true at the time, particularly that first point.

LMAO. The muppets left the borders wide open and now they're telling us we'll have 15,000 cases by the end of the month!!!

BLIZZARD7 · 17-03-2020 03:04AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Yes, we are heading into uncertainty. Markets have crashed, they crashed after 9/11 too; but they bounced back. Granted this time it will take longer.

You’re right, it won’t be a walk in the park, but we will recover. Right now we need mature heads on young shoulders. Hospitality will recover, most sectors will recover. It might look hopeless now, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. In a few months time we’ll look back at this and think thank feck we’re over the worst of it.

Come July/August we’ll be almost back to normal. Look at China, cases are down, people are getting back to work; they’re returning to normality. And that’s after less than 3 months.

I hope you're right but its equally possible come August we are scrambling to prepare for wave 2 coming in the Autumn/early winter...

Also this isn't comparable economically or politically to 9/11, this is far closer to 1929 in scale.

Xertz · 17-03-2020 03:06AM

We urgently need to ensure that medical staff have proper PPE (personal protection equipment). There are reports from UK doctors of relaxing of advice and that they’re being told to treat it like a seasonal flu. So you’ve people wearing just surgical masks and so on in contact with cases.

U.K. doctor : https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1239654325955289089?s=21

Meanwhile, it seems in South Korea and China staff were far better kitted out much more quickly.

There are also reports that in healthcare settings in particular that the virus can “go airborne” and be suspended in the air as aerosols rather than just droplet infection.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/who-considers-airborne-precautions-for-medical-staff-after-study-shows-coronavirus-can-survive-in-air.html

I hope Irish medics are being better kitted out than that doctor who was posting above.

fritzelly · 17-03-2020 03:07AM

In comparison to other EU countries Ireland has been very proactive

Every country was lax about the whole thing, part of that blame lies with the WHO, thinking (believing) China had it under control and were telling the truth (blame WHO again)

When push came to shove Ireland has been exemplary in it's response compared to everyone else - everything has to balanced, the good of the country and the good of the people. No point saying screw the economy if there is no money for people to buy food and the state is bankrupt.

The EU has shown no leadership, ignoring Italy, til today and even then it's barely a token gesture. Closing borders is laughable at this point when its spreading like wildfire through the bloc

Name one country that is doing it better than Ireland with the same circumstances

Cilldara_2000 · 17-03-2020 03:07AM

Lyanna Some Gut wrote: »

Do you experience life frame-by-frame? Because three days later, not a long time by any stretch of the imagination, they changed their risk from "extremely low" to "moderate to high". Then two days after that again, they closed schools. Then two more days later, they closed pubs.

Surely clearly makes what they said at best, misinformed and at worst, wrong to the point of negligent endangerment of people's lives on a mass scale.

The linked article was published on 31 January so your three days later is actually 37 days later.

The Belly · 17-03-2020 03:09AM

threeball wrote: »

Unfortunately the ECB will fund the banks and they're the last ones we want having it as it will disappear into a black hole. This should go to governments and straight to the individual to spend immediately in the day to day economy

Provide a blanket bank guarantee on all EU savings no upper limit. No bank runs.
Freeze all financial markets in the EU.
A universal income for all EU citizens until this crisis is resolved.
A freeze on all personal debt repayments.
Utilities paid for by the state.
A freeze on all Business debts rates rents etc to keep businesses from shutting down permanently rather put them in a state of hibernation from airlines to small businesses.
Jobs in companies affected are on hold not gone.
Unlimited funds for each state during this crisis for essential services such as health utilities etc.

No form filing for universal income.
Use the banks to do the fund transfer as they have all of our details and PPS numbers.

Something like a 100 year solidarty bond on a EU scale.

It can be funded by a interest free repayment through one repayment for the citzens and one for businesses large or small. The repayment is called the same in all EU countries.

It has to be massive it has to be now. No politics.

100% focus on the pandemic and what needs to be done.

On the flip side if they dont do this or something similar in what is the biggest crisis in living memory its going to be a pandemic plus a financial crisis with a recession followed by a depression and ultimately the break up of the EU and the Euro.

ITman88 · 17-03-2020 03:09AM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

I hope you're right but its equally possible come August we are scrambling to prepare for wave 2 coming in the Autumn/early winter...

Also this isn't comparable economically or politically to 9/11, this is far closer to 1929 in scale.

Yeah people ain’t realising the seriousness of the economic predicament or the fact that we don’t actually know yet if the Coronavirus isn’t going to peak in China again

igCorcaigh · 17-03-2020 03:10AM

As regards these projected figures, I think our policies of social distancing will lower that. Even if we don't know the true numbers.

Keep it up people, Netflix binge for your nation.

ITman88 · 17-03-2020 03:10AM

The Belly wrote: »

Provide a blanket bank guarantee on all EU savings no upper limit. No bank runs.
Freeze all financial markets in the EU.
A universal income for all EU citizens until this crisis is resolved.
A freeze on all personal debt repayments.
Utilities paid for by the state.
A freeze on all Business debts rates rents etc to keep businesses from shutting down permanently rather put them in a state of hibernation from airlines to small businesses.
Jobs in companies affected are on hold not gone.
Unlimited funds for each state during this crisis for essential services such as health utilities etc.

No form filing for universal income.
Use the banks to do the fund transfer as they have all of our details and PPS numbers.

Something like a 100 year solidarty bond on a EU scale.

It can be funded by a interest free repayment through one repayment for the citzens and one for businesses large or small. The repayment is called the same in all EU countries.

It has to be massive it has to be now. No politics.

100% focus on the pandemic and what needs to be done.

On the flip side if they dont do this or something similar in what is the biggest crisis in living memory its going to be a pandemic plus a financial crisis with a recession followed by a depression and ultimately the break up of the EU and the Euro.

Yes we need action on the impending recession or your last paragraph will be the result

fritzelly · 17-03-2020 03:11AM

trapp wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-deaths-what-we-know-about-the-uk-victims-11957568

Sky News have published information regarding those who have passed away.

That link is only about people that have died - nothing in there about how many healthy young people were being incubated or any other pertinent facts about the "young". Not hard to find reports from Italy about denying care to over 65's so they can try and save younger people

V8 Interceptor · 17-03-2020 03:12AM

fritzelly wrote: »

In comparison to other EU countries Ireland has been very proactive

Every country was lax about the whole thing, part of that blame lies with the WHO, thinking (believing) China had it under control and were telling the truth (blame WHO again)

When push came to shove Ireland has been exemplary in it's response compared to everyone else - everything has to balanced, the good of the country and the good of the people. No point saying screw the economy if there is no money for people to buy food and the state is bankrupt.

The EU has shown no leadership, ignoring Italy, til today and even then it's barely a token gesture. Closing borders is laughable at this point when its spreading like wildfire through the bloc

Name one country that is doing it better than Ireland with the same circumstances

Ireland have been great. Zero cases with it spreading all over Europe yet we fly the virus in totally unimpeded. And now we're facing potentially Italian levels of infection. Coveney and Harris saying they wouldn't stop flights was negligent or downright criminal.

An island nation with advance warning FFS! A child would know the obvious course of action.

Cilldara_2000 · 17-03-2020 03:13AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Ireland have been great. Zero cases with it spreading all over Europe yet we fly the virus in like fukk totally unimpeded. And now we're facing potentially Italian levels of infection.

Coveney and Harris saying they wouldn't stop flights was negligent or downright criminal.

An island nation with advance warning FFS!

We’re not an island nation.

Xertz · 17-03-2020 03:16AM

The threat clearly was not understood by anyone in Europe or the US. There was a lot of dithering by all of the major players.

The Irish government was likely working from best advice from the WHO and EU agencies and probably peer countries too.

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 17-03-2020 03:16AM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

The linked article was published on 31 January so your three days later is actually 37 days later.

I shouldn't have brought this on myself, I forgot the level of nit-picking that you'll resort to just to get a rise out of someone. I was referring to the jump from low to high from the Friday evening to Monday morning.

Xertz wrote: »

The threat clearly was not understood by anyone in Europe or the US. There was a lot of dithering by all of the major players.

How is it that some calm, reasonable individuals who are not experts in any particular relevant field, across the planet, we're able to see it coming?

Mervyn Skidmore · 17-03-2020 03:17AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Ireland have been great. Zero cases with it spreading all over Europe yet we fly the virus in totally unimpeded. And now we're facing potentially Italian levels of infection.

Coveney and Harris saying they wouldn't stop flights was negligent or downright criminal.

An island nation with advance warning FFS!

Being an Island means nothing. Look at Britain, look at Iceland. Irish people are entitled to enter the country so the airports are open. The virus would arrive here through the North anyway, even if they were closed. It is in every country in Europe now. Instead of looking backwards, start to look forward. What have you done to prevent the spread? Anybody who thinks we could be sitting here with zero cases is on cloud cukcoo land.

nocoverart · 17-03-2020 03:17AM

This is all a bit crazy, almost need to pinch myself to prove this is real. My parents health is the equivalent of ground zero as well. Weird times, many obstacles a head.

fritzelly · 17-03-2020 03:18AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Ireland have been great. Zero cases with it spreading all over Europe yet we fly the virus in totally unimpeded. And now we're facing potentially Italian levels of infection. Coveney and Harris saying they wouldn't stop flights was negligent or downright criminal.

An island nation with advance warning FFS! A child would know the obvious course of action.

Viruses don't tend to announce their arrival at customs - if you really believe suddenly stopping flights once it took off in Italy would have stopped it entering Ireland then you are deluded. It was already here
Spain and Italy's first reported case was 31st January - do you wanna go back 6 weeks and tell everyone to close their borders now because it wouldn't make a difference bar to have slowed down the spread at the start and maybe 3 months later it blows up instead of a month later.

Golf4GolfGti · 17-03-2020 03:19AM

Hi All,

Hope everyone coping as best they can. Quick Q; has anyone seen a stance on how CV can effect pregnant women? Are they in the same category as the elderly? I am in South America with my pregnant wife and may opt for her to stay here when i travel home this week. I have heard some hearsay that the virus will spread less rapidly in a hot country?? This could be absolute BS though?

Xertz · 17-03-2020 03:20AM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Being an Island means nothing. Look at Britain, look at Iceland. Irish people are entitled to enter the country so the airports are open. The virus would arrive here through the North anyway, even if they were closed. It is in every country in Europe now. Instead of looking backwards, start to look forward. What have you done to prevent the spread? Anybody who thinks we could be sitting here with zero cases is on cloud cukcoo land.

Well it’s a point. Nobody walked to Italy from China. Effectively any major or even minor airport connects us to a vast global network and humans travel - a lot. Being an island might help if you’re being invaded by an army, but nobody intentionally infected anyone. This happened entirely by accident. Those carrying it were unaware.

The only way an island nation would have been any safer from this is if it had no contact with the outside world and that’s really a description of few societies other than perhaps North Korea, or very remote parts like Antarctica.

The only “islands” in this context would be places nobody goes. Ireland is the polar opposite to that. It’s extremely well connected and made itself what it is by being a hub of trade and finance on those global networks.

Islands are irrelevant, other than perhaps for wildlife bio security. Humans don’t stay in one place long.

V8 Interceptor · 17-03-2020 03:20AM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

We’re not an island nation.

Point remains. Still very simple to stop flights immediately coming from virus hotspots. Their inaction for the first month on that point alone has brought about this crisis.

17-03-2020 03:20AM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

We’re not an island nation.

I know, lets have a political debate.

CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) Read OP