CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) Read OP

CinemaGuy45 · 17-03-2020 01:19AM

tom1ie wrote: »

Yeah your right, I mean forget about all the lives it could potentially save..........:rolleyes:

I don't think you have fully though this out.

Full lockdown no food no shops?

If the economy is fully shutdown we become a third world nation in the blink of an eye.

What has happened already 150'000 out of work tourism money gone market and shares collapse will have lasting effects for many years to come.

There is no magic bullet to get the country out of this mess.

Shelga · 17-03-2020 01:19AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Quick question to everyone. I’m looking for guidance. My OH works for a branch of the civil service which is objectively non-essential staff. She is working in a closed office with no windows open and minimal adherence to hand gels and usual etiquettes. I’m a recently recovered cancer survivor and our usual baby sitter is now potentially infected (going for a test ASAP) thus we are all now potentially infected as exposure period of 5 days A-symptomatic occurred. This said though my O.H is more than happy to indefinitely continue on working in this non essential position leaving me now in de facto babysitting duty of our 2 young boys under 6. Our own parents are all over 75 so zero backups available. I’m exhausted and about to breakdown with stress both emotionally and financially as my business has imploded. She has requested home remote work and was essentially rejected however other staff junior to her position have been approved on this potentially life saving option. Am I out of line suggesting she screws her head on and tells the boss to go F%&* himself and that our family come first. Can she be fired (20 plus years service) ? If so can she (under the CRAZY circumstances) be legally covered under “constructive dismissal” precedences ? Need help here big time guys

Sorry to hear this. Can she work from home?

If not, she should stay home anyway. You're high risk. I don't think anyone is going to get fired for that, we're not the USA. Plus she's in the civil service!

flynnlives · 17-03-2020 01:19AM

The surge is coming. Probably 10 days out.

My guesstimate is 8 weeks of this kinda lockdown.
After that some normality will resume.

Two problems i can foresee:

Gob****es getting complacent and not staying indoors.

The UK experiment ****ing up all the effort we are making now.

TSQ · 17-03-2020 01:19AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Quick question to everyone. I’m looking for guidance. My OH works for a branch of the civil service which is objectively non-essential staff. She is working in a closed office with no windows open and minimal adherence to hand gels and usual etiquettes. I’m a recently recovered cancer survivor and our usual baby sitter is now potentially infected (going for a test ASAP) thus we are all now potentially infected as exposure period of 5 days A-symptomatic occurred. This said though my O.H is more than happy to indefinitely continue on working in this non essential position leaving me now in de facto babysitting duty of our 2 young boys under 6. Our own parents are all over 75 so zero backups available. I’m exhausted and about to breakdown with stress both emotionally and financially as my business has imploded. Am I out of line suggesting she screws her head on and tells the boss to go F%&* himself and that our family come first. Can she be fired (20 plus years service) ? If so can she (under the CRAZY circumstances) be legally covered under “constructive dismissal” precedences ? Need help here big time guys

I am puzzled... your business has imploded (so has mine), so have you stopped working? In which case, how can your wife afford to give up working? What does she think?

rob316 · 17-03-2020 01:19AM

tom1ie wrote: »

Yeah your right, I mean forget about all the lives it could potentially save..........:rolleyes:

Close retail and you will dump a **** load onto the welfare bill, reduce our income tax take, vat take. We can not fight this virus without resources.

fishy_fishy · 17-03-2020 01:20AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Quick question to everyone. I’m looking for guidance. My OH works for a branch of the civil service which is objectively non-essential staff. She is working in a closed office with no windows open and minimal adherence to hand gels and usual etiquettes. I’m a recently recovered cancer survivor and our usual baby sitter is now potentially infected (going for a test ASAP) thus we are all now potentially infected as exposure period of 5 days A-symptomatic occurred. This said though my O.H is more than happy to indefinitely continue on working in this non essential position leaving me now in de facto babysitting duty of our 2 young boys under 6. Our own parents are all over 75 so zero backups available. I’m exhausted and about to breakdown with stress both emotionally and financially as my business has imploded. She has requested home remote work and was essentially rejected however other staff junior to her position have been approved on this potentially life saving option. Am I out of line suggesting she screws her head on and tells the boss to go F%&* himself and that our family come first. Can she be fired (20 plus years service) ? If so can she (under the CRAZY circumstances) be legally covered under “constructive dismissal” precedences ? Need help here big time guys

Wow, that must be so frightening for you.

No, you're not out of line, but maybe she should ask for duties that can be done remotely rather than just refusing to work. Catch more flies with honey, and all. But ultimately, she needs to be at home.

R.F. · 17-03-2020 01:20AM

threeball wrote: »

Cashflow can kill you in next to no time especially where stock is perishable or has high turnover. Credit lines from suppliers would be tightening too.

I work in IT supplies. We have seen easily (not even close) the highest volume of sales over the last 8 working days. I have worked for the same company for over 10 years and the company has been in business since the late 80’s. It is absolutely unprecedented what we have seen. It sound all fun and games for anyone in sales.

But the inevitable fall following this is terrifying.

If this continues, how are businesses going to pay us and other companies in the market, and how are we going to pay our distributors if this happens?

I think we are ****ed

Jinglejangle69 · 17-03-2020 01:20AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I don't think you have fully though this out.

Full lockdown no food no shops?

If the economy is fully shutdown we become a third world nation in the blink of an eye.

What has happened already 150'000 out of work tourism money gone market and shares collapse will have lasting effects for many years to come.

There is no magic bullet to get the country out of this mess.

Has China or Italy starved to death?

threeball · 17-03-2020 01:20AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Something really stinks about all these snap lay offs alright. We'll be back to 2010 levels of unemployment if it keeps up. Hundreds of thousands out of work.

I understand that some job losses would have occurred, even many, because of this pandemic. But it's the finger snap decision, a mere few days into some closures, that doesn't sound right about this at all.

I think my mate (who just got news today of being "let go") might be correct. It could be just certain businesses looking to offload staff and the then hire cheaper labour when this is all over, using Corona virus as an excuse.

If thats what you think neither of you have a clue how business works and the massive costs involved in just keeping the doors open, before you pay staff. Its ridiculous and alot of business owners are living hand to mouth. They can't afford to carry staff for a few weeks with no cashflow. Try the selfemployed route once we get back up and running. I'm sure you'll find it a joy.

maninasia · 17-03-2020 01:20AM

saabsaab wrote: »

Nobody can be sure of that even if they get it.

I guess that some posting here will die or become seriously ill as this progresses it could be you or it could be me!

If it helps at all, the virus is worse for people who have hypertension, cardio problems and diabetes, not so much respiratory problems.

Lundstram · 17-03-2020 01:21AM

https://twitter.com/BugsyMc_11/status/1239658963353899010?s=20

Ah lads.. :mad:

Tony EH · 17-03-2020 01:21AM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

There's no stink. This is capitalism. A handful of large companies can afford to pay people to do nothing while taking nothing in. Most cannot. Many small employers will struggle to cover their own living expenses and they have a duty to themselves and their own families, same as anyone else.

I'm not talking about companies paying people. I'm talking about merely holding their jobs and waiting to see what happens for the time being.

ChikiChiki · 17-03-2020 01:22AM

There's a house party in my apartment block. A good few of them singing.

Knobs.

Jinglejangle69 · 17-03-2020 01:22AM

Lundstram wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BugsyMc_11/status/1239658963353899010?s=20

Ah lads.. :mad:

Disgusting.

bekker · 17-03-2020 01:22AM

Bigus wrote: »

I know the figures are wrong , but they’ve been wrong form the start , but those figures are far from exponential, which is good , amongst the bad .

????? - they are exponential, constant indices >1.275, from estimated infection date of 24th Feb.

Kaisr Sose · 17-03-2020 01:22AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Seriously?

After a few days of relative turmoil? Everyone gone?

Could there not have been a close for a week or so and see how things went? Did it really have to be the nuclear option?

Honestly, something just doesn't sound right at all about all of these lay offs.

My opinion. Its not that there is something fundamentally wrong with those businesses, the directors have to be seen to run them effectively. If they continue to trade as if nothing happened and with little or no sales, it can be deemed wreckless trading under Company Law (drafted for non Pandemic scenarios). Brutal as it is to lay off staff in these times, ultimately they are trying to ride out this situation and preserve the business as best they can long term.
The announcrment that the State will pick up the tab for the increased jobseekers benefit payments changes things a lot, but if there is no cash, how do the businesses pay all the staff? Ultimately, many, especially in the hospitality sector have to lay off stsff as they dont have the cash in the business to pay them.
To end, thats my opinion. I am not a business owner, accountant or director of a company.

Jinglejangle69 · 17-03-2020 01:23AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

There's a house party in my apartment block. A good few of them singing.

Knobs.

Wish the herd immunity would finish these types off.

ITman88 · 17-03-2020 01:23AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Has China or Italy starved to death?

Ask that question in August

CinemaGuy45 · 17-03-2020 01:23AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Something really stinks about all these snap lay offs alright. We'll be back to 2010 levels of unemployment if it keeps up. Hundreds of thousands out of work.

I understand that some job losses would have occurred, even many, because of this pandemic. But it's the finger snap decision, a mere few days into some closures, that doesn't sound right about this at all.

I think my mate (who just got news today of being "let go") might be correct. It could be just certain businesses looking to offload staff and the then hire cheaper labour when this is all over, using Corona virus as an excuse.

A crisis brings out the worst in some people but I don't think anybody planned for this thing to hit us.

Cilldara_2000 · 17-03-2020 01:24AM

rob316 wrote: »

Close retail and you will dump a **** load onto the welfare bill, reduce our income tax take, vat take. We can not fight this virus without resources.

Simple. A combination of the ECB printing money and the state borrowing will provide the resources. Most businesses that are now closed will reopen or new ones will take their place.

JP Liz V1 · 17-03-2020 01:24AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

There's a house party in my apartment block. A good few of them singing.

Knobs.

Call the Gardai

frillyleaf · 17-03-2020 01:25AM

dharma200 wrote: »

I am not quite sure if you understand a virus has a shelf life.

Yes, same as other corona viruses or flues, once it peaks, it does not have the rate that it may have had.

This is not perpetual and we will see many more of these, but different strains in our lifetime imho.

Did you get your H1n1 vaccine recently?

I would like to know more info about this if possible. When we go back to normal could this not start hitting all over again? It’s a virus similar to the flu and is here to stay so how do we stop it peaking again for example in September?

From what I understood the Chinese stopped it from breaking the contact or ‘chain’ of people it could affect.

But this could happen again in a few months time. From my understanding of listening to qualified people viruses don’t have a self life from spreading. That the only solution we have is treatment, vaccines for vulnerable. Currently the only way we can control it is how we behave

amadangomor · 17-03-2020 01:25AM

Maybe a little bit of realisation from the "fuk the economy brigade" that it is actually the economy operating that keeps food on people's tables and stops us being a small agrarian backwater where we have continually export our people.

Probably won't happen but maybe Fine Gael will be given some credit for keeping the economy going when it was on its knees. They did get more than bit stale in the last few years but when it came to that huge threat to us back in 2009/10 and the huge threat now they have stood up.

Cilldara_2000 · 17-03-2020 01:26AM

Tony EH wrote: »

I'm not talking about companies paying people. I'm talking about merely holding their jobs and waiting to see what happens for the time being.

What does "holding their jobs" mean in practice?

Quantum Erasure · 17-03-2020 01:26AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

There's a house party in my apartment block. A good few of them singing.

Knobs.

https://www.facebook.com/MixmagMagazine/videos/2641003192796258/

pjohnson · 17-03-2020 01:27AM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Simple. A combination of the ECB printing money and the state borrowing will provide the resources. Most businesses that are now closed will reopen or new ones will take their place.

Thats generally what always happens. Small business's often only last a short time but then are replaced by a new very similar business. Unless its too niche and there simply wasnt a market for it to survive.

Tony EH · 17-03-2020 01:27AM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

I feel sorry for GT I really do

But if a business in operation for 30 years supplying the DIY trade survived the 2008 recession and goes bust after not even a week of slack business due to the virus, I think the boss was obviously only keeping going from week to week tbh

I feel for him too. I've been made redundant 5 times. I know how it feels.

In fairness in his case, he has a point. If supplies aren't getting in. There's nothing to sell. Still, as you say, how any business was running on that kind if hand to mouth existence is beyond me. But, I'm not in that game, so I don't know.

However, I do know someone who is as in the service industry who got his marching orders this morning. They was no difficulties in his job. In fact they were going gangbusters up til the weekend, which makes his situation sound more like a pre-emptive strike rather than any actual difficulties experienced.

Naggdefy · 17-03-2020 01:27AM

Watching Claire Byrne on +1

That Harry Barry is a joke. 10 days ago it was go out and enjoy life. Now psychobabble bulls*it. He's well paid for spouting BS but he doesn't have to worry about losing his job.

On a less serious note really funny moment when Claire suggested exploring isolation with Dr. Cillian, and the look on him, thought all his Christmases came at once

flynnlives · 17-03-2020 01:28AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I would like to know more info about this if possible. When we go back to normal could this not start hitting all over again? It’s a virus similar to the flu and is here to stay so how do we stop it peaking again for example in September?

From what I understood the Chinese stopped it from breaking the contact or ‘chain’ of people it could affect.

But this could happen again in a few months time. From my understanding of listening to qualified people viruses don’t have a self life from spreading. That the only solution we have is treatment, vaccines for vulnerable. Currently the only way we can control it is how we behave

Essentially you start again but this time youve all the testing infastructure and contact tracing in place.
You can than quickly zero in on hot spots and take the necessery steps.

At the start of this we had one lab and not even 60 contact tracers.

We will soon have dozens of labs and hundreds of tracers. We will soon have a test that works in minutes.

CinemaGuy45 · 17-03-2020 01:29AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Has China or Italy starved to death?

I will admit I am not an expert.

China is an odd kind of nation poverty mixed with super rich and skyscrapers.

China did not fully lockdown the whole country one part could feed the other.

As regards Italy I honestly have no idea what their full plan is or how they are doing things.

It just seems to me every step that is taken seems to have 10 more side effects nobody seen coming.

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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) Read OP