Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Calf price chitchat

Options
1…6061636566…98

Comments

  • Options
    #1862
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Panch18 wrote: »
    Well they were getting 5-6 litres a day so, costing a fair bit

    Don’t use milk replacer

    I think he meant the strain of a hard calving on the cow.
    How could you feed less than 5-6 litres to a calf without starving them? It's handy feeding tbh. They'll drink double it ad lib and, believe it or not, it pays to give it to them.


  • Options
    #1863
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Just to back my theory up about feeding calves.
    Total milk drank isn't any more plus the hassle of having them about for 4-5 weeks.
    And all would be easy calved, no assistance or jack used.


  • Options
    #1864
    148multi
    Registered Users Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭148multi


    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    I think he meant the strain of a hard calving on the cow.
    How could you feed less than 5-6 litres to a calf without starving them? It's handy feeding tbh. They'll drink double it ad lib and, believe it or not, it pays to give it to them.

    Yes, will the jacked calf affect the cow's yield.


  • Options
    #1865
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    Just to back my theory up about feeding calves.
    Total milk drank isn't any more plus the hassle of having them about for 4-5 weeks.
    And all would be easy calved, no assistance or jack used.

    What age and where were they sold?


  • Options
    #1866
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    I think he meant the strain of a hard calving on the cow.
    How could you feed less than 5-6 litres to a calf without starving them? It's handy feeding tbh. They'll drink double it ad lib and, believe it or not, it pays to give it to them.

    It wasn’t intentional to pulling calves I’ll tell you!! We hadn’t used the jack for about 5 years before this

    It’s strange, we had this bull last year and no problem whatsoever. The cows are in good condition but nothing better than any other year

    I should say the majority weren’t hard calvings as such, cows fine afterwards. But they just all needed a hand. Can’t make it out

    The ai fr all calves without a hand


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #1867
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Mooooo wrote: »
    What age and where were they sold?

    I find they're very prone to scour if on more than 6l.
    If the calf market was more stable I might feed them more milk but tbh I couldnt see the return in the current market. FR Calves making nothing in marts atm.
    I'm happy enough to have let the most of ours of for 20e at 14 days and put the milk in the tank


  • Options
    #1868
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    I find they're very prone to scour if on more than 6l.
    If the calf market was more stable I might feed them more milk but tbh I couldnt see the return in the current market. FR Calves making nothing in marts atm.
    I'm happy enough to have let the most of ours of for 20e at 14 days and put the milk in the tank

    That's why I asked where. They may still only make the 20 euro at 6 weeks in bandon, not small calves either.


  • Options
    #1869
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Mooooo wrote: »
    What age and where were they sold?

    Age should be in the pic, 2 1/2 to 3 odd weeks. Sold today in Abbeyfeale, same go in Kilmallock. Plenty €20 Fr valves too that would make 80 with a bit of feeding.
    Look I know there's a certain type of Holstein you can do nothing with but for the average grass based man there's no advantage in breeding them. Saying that some of those calves dams would be off Kiwi X dams.


  • Options
    #1870
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    I find they're very prone to scour if on more than 6l.
    If the calf market was more stable I might feed them more milk but tbh I couldnt see the return in the current market. FR Calves making nothing in marts atm.
    I'm happy enough to have let the most of ours of for 20e at 14 days and put the milk in the tank
    If an extra €12-15 of milk to the calf pays me back €60-120 while giving me an easier life and better job satisfaction, I'm happier to do that.
    Nutritional scour shouldn't be a problem with acidified milk, once they're drinking from nipples.
    The reason HoFr calves are making nothing is a combination of breeding and feeding.
    Now if everyone had good calves they might not be as dear you might say, but we're a long way from that, and getting further day by day.


  • Options
    #1871
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    If an extra €12-15 of milk to the calf pays me back €60-120 while giving me an easier life and better job satisfaction, I'm happier to do that.
    Nutritional scour shouldn't be a problem with acidified milk, once they're drinking from nipples.
    The reason HoFr calves are making nothing is a combination of breeding and feeding.
    Now if everyone had good calves they might not be as dear you might say, but we're a long way from that, and getting further day by day.

    Fair enough. My calves weren't that small and at 5 weeks. Would be interesting if you took your fr down to bandon how they'd do


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #1872
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,115 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    2/4 week old calves out of yard 80 bucks nothing spared beastings for 3 feeds transition milk for 3 feeds then onto powder .vaccinated for pneumonia with bovipast .regular buyer


  • Options
    #1873
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭alps


    Massive increase in capacity now on line in Cherbourg....can handle close on 17000 calves per week and the weather is settling so most lorries will get away. Will keep a strong sound price under calves..


  • Options
    #1874
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Fair enough. My calves weren't that small and at 5 weeks. Would be interesting if you took your fr down to bandon how they'd do

    Mine were Nr x off Fr and vice versa, a bit more power than the pure HoFr. The ting is though that yours drank as much or more milk than mine, except that you'd to mind them for a fortnight longer, so even if I got the same price as you I'd be better off.
    It's like if you'd only a 100 bales for young cattle for the winter, would you be better off feeding them ad lib for 2 months and selling then or stretching them out over 4 months and then selling? I know which I'd rather buy.

    Bandon is no better or worse than Kilmallock for numbers and quality or lack of. Abbeyfeale is a different story to be fair, traditionally small poor dairy farm's where the price of stock matters .


  • Options
    #1875
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    Mine were Nr x off Fr and vice versa, a bit more power than the pure HoFr. The ting is though that yours drank as much or more milk than mine, except that you'd to mind them for a fortnight longer, so even if I got the same price as you I'd be better off.
    It's like if you'd only a 100 bales for young cattle for the winter, would you be better off feeding them ad lib for 2 months and selling then or stretching them out over 4 months and then selling? I know which I'd rather buy.

    Bandon is no better or worse than Kilmallock for numbers and quality or lack of. Abbeyfeale is a different story to be fair, traditionally small poor dairy farm's where the price of stock matters .

    Two in the batch I sent were off fleckveih cross. They prob averaged 7 litres of milk a day. Sure have some smaller cow's but also have cow's over 700kg mature weight as weighed last year


  • Options
    #1876
    visatorro
    Registered Users Posts: 3,141 ✭✭✭visatorro


    mahoney_j wrote:
    2/4 week old calves out of yard 80 bucks nothing spared beastings for 3 feeds transition milk for 3 feeds then onto powder .vaccinated for pneumonia with bovipast .regular buyer


    Good price but the ground work is put In with regular buyer. If you brought them to a mart it's hard to know what you'd get. Couple of regular lads took calves off me. 20-80


  • Options
    #1877
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,115 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    visatorro wrote: »
    Good price but the ground work is put In with regular buyer. If you brought them to a mart it's hard to know what you'd get. Couple of regular lads took calves off me. 20-80

    I’d avoid mart at all costs with fr bulls ,fins lads that buy them to finish them prefer to buy in yard .i will go to mart from early April with last of Hereford calves ,always sell well that time of year


  • Options
    #1878
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    I’d avoid mart at all costs with fr bulls ,fins lads that buy them to finish them prefer to buy in yard .i will go to mart from early April with last of Hereford calves ,always sell well that time of year

    Just sold all the bulls left over 3 weeks old here from the yard, E85 for a mixed bunch. Buyer reckons there's going to be lockdown in the next week or 10 days.


  • Options
    #1879
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,251 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    Just sold all the bulls left over 3 weeks old here from the yard, E85 for a mixed bunch. Buyer reckons there's going to be lockdown in the next week or 10 days.

    Its similar tp pubs the only reason there will be a lockdown is if lads behave stupidly. Dealers in marts will expect taht they are allowed access all the time. They will expect that they can still be 40-50 of them squeezed in around the ring. Business can continue if lads do what they are told.First order of business at any mart is nobody around the ring everybody up on the steps or on the seats. Next if you are not buying no need to be there.To faculiate this marts should publish all mart prices not just the higher prices.

    Biggest problem will be putting manners on dealers and make them obey the rules. The other thing is for farmers who want to sell cattle to sell them im lots rather than as singes. This should especially apply to cull cows. If lads have more than one put them in togeather

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Options
    #1880
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    Its similar tp pubs the only reason there will be a lockdown is if lads behave stupidly. Dealers in marts will expect taht they are allowed access all the time. They will expect that they can still be 40-50 of them squeezed in around the ring. Business can continue if lads do what they are told.First order of business at any mart is nobody around the ring everybody up on the steps or on the seats. Next if you are not buying no need to be there.To faculiate this marts should publish all mart prices not just the higher prices.

    Biggest problem will be putting manners on dealers and make them obey the rules. The other thing is for farmers who want to sell cattle to sell them im lots rather than as singes. This should especially apply to cull cows. If lads have more than one put them in togeather

    Given the craic I saw in Abbeyfeale on Saturday they'll have to close down, people have just no cop on at all. The ring was wedged, including vulnerable people! People in groups and huddles chatting like no tomorrow, not a sign of hand sanitiser. I just walked around, said as gew hellis as possible, and went out to the car while I was waiting. As it turned out I'd hardly any business there as the sellers box was closed off, and the calves did fine without me!


  • Options
    #1881
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Two in the batch I sent were off fleckveih cross. They prob averaged 7 litres of milk a day. Sure have some smaller cow's but also have cow's over 700kg mature weight as weighed last year

    Would you think of doing a trial with a few, feeding them ad lib from birth, acidify the milk post colostrum, 2ad feeding would do fine, and seeing how they do in comparison at 3 weeks?
    Good calves should clear a €100 even in a bad year like this.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #1882
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Fair enough. My calves weren't that small and at 5 weeks. Would be interesting if you took your fr down to bandon how they'd do

    Calves need to be sold by weight and age.

    Reading this thread is reminiscent of the straw thread. A 4x4 bale is never the same, you’ve got to weigh it to know!

    I got between €3.5-€4.0 for a mix of Charolais, Belgian Blue and Limousin.
    The Limos were €3.50...


  • Options
    #1883
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    Would you think of doing a trial with a few, feeding them ad lib from birth, acidify the milk post colostrum, 2ad feeding would do fine, and seeing how they do in comparison at 3 weeks?
    Good calves should clear a €100 even in a bad year like this.

    From four days old we’d be giving 9-10L a day of new milk until 15days old. Onto the auto feeder then.


  • Options
    #1884
    Cavanjack
    Registered Users Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Gawddawggonnit wrote: »
    Calves need to be sold by weight and age.

    Reading this thread is reminiscent of the straw thread. A 4x4 bale is never the same, you’ve got to weigh it to know!

    I got between €3.5-€4.0 for a mix of Charolais, Belgian Blue and Limousin.
    The Limos were €3.50...

    What weight and age you selling them at?


  • Options
    #1885
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    Given the craic I saw in Abbeyfeale on Saturday they'll have to close down, people have just no cop on at all. The ring was wedged, including vulnerable people! People in groups and huddles chatting like no tomorrow, not a sign of hand sanitiser. I just walked around, said as gew hellis as possible, and went out to the car while I was waiting. As it turned out I'd hardly any business there as the sellers box was closed off, and the calves did fine without me!

    One of the lads on the sheep thread said marts closed tomorrow in his area.


  • Options
    #1886
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    One of the lads on the sheep thread said marts closed tomorrow in his area.

    Heard tomorrow may be the last day in bandon for a bit


  • Options
    #1887
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,251 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Heard tomorrow may be the last day in bandon for a bit

    It may or may not be but no matter what we have to get on with it.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Options
    #1888
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,388 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    It may or may not be but no matter what we have to get on with it.

    Well said


  • Options
    #1889
    3 the square
    Registered Users Posts: 695 ✭✭✭3 the square


    Wouldn't keeping the marts open be as important as keeping the supermarket open not many farmers sell cattle to the factory wont the irish people run out of meat
    As for calves dont our European friends relay on them like we relay on them for fruit and veg ??


  • Options
    #1890
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,388 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    3 the square wrote: »
    Wouldn't keeping the marts open be as important as keeping the supermarket open not many farmers sell cattle to the factory wont the irish people run out of meat
    As for calves dont our European friends relay on them like we relay on them for fruit and veg ??

    Be up to agents to source cattle then. Could get details from marts


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #1891
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Heard tomorrow may be the last day in bandon for a bit

    https://twitter.com/CorkMarts/status/1239303620962721792?s=19


Advertisement