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Dr Hulsey WTC7 findings for people who not aware of this new study.

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  • #1142
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    King Mob wrote: »
    I have answered your question.
    That's not what I believe.
    Your statement is a silly dishonest misrepresentation your are using to deflect from your utter embarrassment.

    Nope, you have to answer the question a certain way, if you can't, it proves a massive conspiracy took place

    I've learnt this from conspiracy theorists. Any question, not matter how technical or absurd, that can't be answered = conspiracy

    It fits in nicely with the whole "explain it to me, I don't get it, therefore conspiracy"

    Funny that


  • #1143
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    These "chips" exploded the Twin towers or burnt them down?

    Which one is it..

    Unless you can dream up a scenario where it burns and also makes an explosion, which I suspect is coming..

    Better question is how do you get Iron Microspheres burning chips at 430c?

    You guys claim to know science- explain it?


  • #1144
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Better question is how do you get Iron Microspheres burning chips at 430c?

    You guys claim to know science- explain it?

    Nope it isn't. Terrorists flew planes into buildings. You keep appealing to anything to deflect from the fact you can't explain otherwise.

    Right now you are using the tried and tested AE911 scientific technique of "can't explain that to us, therefore conspiracy"


  • #1145
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Nope it isn't. Terrorists flew planes into buildings. You keep appealing to anything to deflect from the fact you can't explain otherwise.

    Right now you are using the tried and tested AE911 scientific technique of "can't explain that to us, therefore conspiracy"

    What don't you answer the question?

    Red/ gray chips had Iron Microspheres after the burning at 430c.

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  • #1146
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.ae911truth.org/news/652-help-spread-the-uaf-report-widely-and-take-the-fight-to-nist

    Oh look, they need to raise some more money. Shocking.
    We must raise $75,000 by March 31 to share the UAF report far and wide and to legally challenge NIST on its fraudulent Building 7 report.


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  • #1147
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    King Mob wrote: »
    https://www.ae911truth.org/news/652-help-spread-the-uaf-report-widely-and-take-the-fight-to-nist

    Oh look, they need to raise some more money. Shocking.

    Gotta keep the grift going and squeeze the gullible for every last dollar.


  • #1148
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    https://www.ae911truth.org/news/652-help-spread-the-uaf-report-widely-and-take-the-fight-to-nist

    Oh look, they need to raise some more money. Shocking.

    Ae911 truth building seven study cost 300,000 dollars ( such charlatans spending their own money!) Members providing their own cash and donations funded the study.  They got no big sponsor to help them.
    AE911 group needs community donations to survive to keep the battle going. Currently have filed numerous arguments in court, charging the US government for breaking the law, not releasing 9/11 documents. There hired lawyers are doing battle with gov lawyers behind the scenes and this work not free..

    AE911 also hired media/ video team in Dec 2019 to do a documentary about the study. Again it costing AE911 money to hire a production crew and have them travel around the country doing interviews for new documentary. 

    Donations are by choice, not forced.  You can believe what you like they are on in it for the money. Evidence suggests otherwise.


  • #1149
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    In less than two weeks, the final report of the University of Alaska Fairbanks study on World Trade Center Building 7 by Dr. Leroy Hulsey will be released!

    Good. Since AE911 promised to release public comments about the study. There bound to be debunkers questions. We'll see how the group answers the criticisms.


  • #1150
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,887 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    King Mob wrote: »
    https://www.ae911truth.org/news/652-help-spread-the-uaf-report-widely-and-take-the-fight-to-nist

    Oh look, they need to raise some more money. Shocking.

    It really is shameless fraud. The Truther movement is dead. These guys are milking the last few quid.


  • #1151
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Ae911 truth building seven study cost 300,000 dollars ( such charlatans spending their own money!) Members providing their own cash and donations funded the study.  They got no big sponsor to help them.
    AE911 group needs community donations to survive to keep the battle going.

    The subscribers paid for the study. Gage draws a salary from the subscribers. They literally make money from continuing the conspiracy. If it dies, that cash-cow dies.
    Currently have filed numerous arguments in court, charging the US government for breaking the law, not releasing 9/11 documents. There hired lawyers are doing battle with gov lawyers behind the scenes and this work not free..

    AE911 also hired media/ video team in Dec 2019 to do a documentary about the study. Again it costing AE911 money to hire a production crew and have them travel around the country doing interviews for new documentary. 

    Donations are by choice, not forced.  You can believe what you like they are on in it for the money. Evidence suggests otherwise.

    The Lawyers for 911 committee are no different, they are a bunch of quacks

    Here's their page, feel free to send them money
    https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/

    There is a mini-industry in all this, it's how Alex Jones makes money, it's how anti-vaccine groups are swimming in money, etc


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  • #1152
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    The Nal wrote: »
    It really is shameless fraud. The Truther movement is dead. These guys are milking the last few quid.

    23 million of public money was given to NIST for their study. And still 18 years later they refuse to release their data to be checked by the engineering community. Hulsey released the study+ data. The fraud is on US gov/ Nist side.


  • #1153
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    The subscribers paid for the study. Gage draws a salary from the subscribers. They literally make money from continuing the conspiracy. If it dies, that cash-cow dies.



    The Lawyers for 911 committee are no different, they are a bunch of quacks

    Here's their page, feel free to send them money
    https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/

    There is a mini-industry in all this, it's how Alex Jones makes money, it's how anti-vaccine groups are swimming in money, etc

    As the CEO- how much does he make? What about the others on the team? You have a fantasy they making millions?

    Alex Jones makes money from his store.
    http://www.infowarsshop.com/

    Ae911 sells nothing, they just ask for donations to help.


  • #1154
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    As the CEO- how much does he make? What about the others on the team? You have a fantasy they making millions?

    Woah he's not a "CEO", he's the self professed president of an internet group.

    Previous data shows he gives himself between 70k and 85k per year, in 2015, 234k went to sources unknown

    If the conspiracy dies, he's out of pocket a fair bit, and so are all the others who feed off this

    I hope you've never sent these guys a cent.


  • #1155
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Woah he's not a "CEO", he's the self professed president of an internet group.

    Previous data shows he gives himself between 70k and 85k per year, in 2015, 234k went to sources unknown

    If the conspiracy dies, he's out of pocket a fair bit, and so are all the others who feed off this

    I hope you've never sent these guys a cent.

    Show your data, lets see it? Show us his bank statements and earnings please?


  • #1156
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Show your data, lets see it? Show us his bank statements and earnings please?

    https://www.metabunk.org/threads/architects-and-engineers-for-9-11-truth-990-tax-returns-employee-compensation.9307/


  • #1157
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    https://www.metabunk.org/threads/architects-and-engineers-for-9-11-truth-990-tax-returns-employee-compensation.9307/

    On the 2005 form. Richard Gage- no compensation was paid to him for that year? Since he not listed as receiving it something happened.  It very unlikely his defrauding the IRS. It probably ended up somewhere else inside the organisation to fund a project or pay someone else.

    On the 2004 form Richard Gage- compensation was 70,000+ (  An industrial wage for a lawyer and accountant in US)

    Richard Gage is the President of the group. 70,000 A year is not him rolling in the Money. Alex Jones make 2 to 3 million a year. 

    If you read down 70,000 a year- broken down under headings. 
    Program Service expenses- 42,000 (round off)
    Management and general expenses 21,000
    Fundraising expenses..7000

    Salaries for other employees is 97, 000.  Overall the organisation pulled in roughly, 190,000 dollars + for the 2014 year.

    It is only suspicious for debunkers because they believe the group not actually doing this for a good reason. They'll never check James Randi bank statements even though he was earning a million a year from his website. 

    They spend 300, 000 dollars plus to do a study in 2016. They likely in a loss scenario for that last two to three years?


  • #1158
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Richard Gage is the President of the group.

    It's an internet group, and he is the self-professed president. Likewise if you created e.g. an internet "ghost investigation" group, you'd be president. You'd likely find, that if you marketed yourself correctly, people would give you money, either by subscriptions or donations or indirect sales from your website.

    You'd also find that people would virulently defend you online, no matter how absurd your claims were :)


  • #1159
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Ae911 truth building seven study cost 300,000 dollars ( such charlatans spending their own money!) Members providing their own cash and donations funded the study.  They got no big sponsor to help them.
    AE911 group needs community donations to survive to keep the battle going. Currently have filed numerous arguments in court, charging the US government for breaking the law, not releasing 9/11 documents. There hired lawyers are doing battle with gov lawyers behind the scenes and this work not free..

    AE911 also hired media/ video team in Dec 2019 to do a documentary about the study. Again it costing AE911 money to hire a production crew and have them travel around the country doing interviews for new documentary. 

    Donations are by choice, not forced.  You can believe what you like they are on in it for the money. Evidence suggests otherwise.
    Again, this study was supposed be complete open and transparent.
    Where is the money that's already been "donated"? Where did it go? What was it spent on?
    Please provide the break down.


  • #1160
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It's an internet group, and he is the self-professed president. Likewise if you created e.g. an internet "ghost investigation" group, you'd be president. You'd likely find, that if you marketed yourself correctly, people would give you money, either by subscriptions or donations or indirect sales from your website.

    You'd also find that people would virulently defend you online, no matter how absurd your claims were :)

    What you don’t seem to get is the group organized to have a new investigation about the building collapses on 9/11. 

    Even mainstream engineering groups laughed at NIST explanation for the failure. Debunkers just overlook this!

    People like Mick West will defend NIST when it suits him..

    Two other mainstream groups maintained the collapse began on the 8th and 9th in court. Therefore NIST claim about a girder slipping of its seat on 13th floor and causing a progressive collapse, is not accepted by other mainstream groups, who support the official story about fire.


  • #1161
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Again, this study was supposed be complete open and transparent.
    Where is the money that's already been "donated"? Where did it go? What was it spent on?
    Please provide the break down.

    Hulsey released the draft with 2.6 gigs of data. Every bit of his work he did is available.

    You guys were claiming we see no report and no data from Hulsey last year:confused:


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  • #1162
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Hulsey released the draft with 2.6 gigs of data. Every bit of his work he did is available.

    You guys were claiming we see no report and no data from Hulsey last year:confused:
    That's a lie Cheerful.
    They have not released their financial statements.
    Why not? Where did the money go?

    Like you said yourself:
    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Show your data, lets see it? Show us his bank statements and earnings please?


  • #1163
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    That's a lie Cheerful.
    They have not released their financial statements.
    Why not? Where did the money go?

    Like you said yourself:

    Yet Mick found their tax forms online? What you even on about now? They don’t have to release them their no law. If you are interested, do research, Mick did.  


  • #1164
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    They don’t have to release them their no law. If you are interested, do research, Mick did.  
    But they said they were going to be totally open and transparent.
    They had thousands of dollars pumped into their pretend study, at study that was two years late.
    Where did that money go? What was it spent on?
    Why have they not released this information if they are being open about their study?


  • #1165
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    What you don’t seem to get is the group organized to have a new investigation about the building collapses on 9/11. 

    LOL
    Even mainstream engineering groups laughed at NIST explanation for the failure. Debunkers just overlook this!

    The usual nonsense. The WTC buildings falling due to damage/fire is accepted by experts worldwide, recognised groups of engineers and architects

    This was a problem for 911 conspiracy theorists so they created their own internet groups in an attempt to add "authority" to their denialism. Anti-vaxxers do precisely the same to lend "credibility" to their false claims - it works. People buy into it.
    Two other mainstream groups maintained the collapse began on the 8th and 9th in court.

    Investigations by insurance companies, who had to pay out vast amounts, found that the towers collapsed due to fire, that there was no funny business.

    You know all this of course, but you apparently like to rehash it in order to pretend there is "debate" on the issue (there isn't). It's all part of the denier fantasy, like Gage and his crew, keep the "debate" going to keep up the pretense.


  • #1166
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Hulsey released the draft with 2.6 gigs of data. Every bit of his work he did is available.

    You guys were claiming we see no report and no data from Hulsey last year:confused:

    How was the money spent?


  • #1167
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    But they said they were going to be totally open and transparent.
    They had thousands of dollars pumped into their pretend study, at study that was two years late.
    Where did that money go? What was it spent on?
    Why have they not released this information if they are being open about their study?

    Kingmob, This is not being carried out for you. You’re are single poster on an Irish forum complaining. If you wish to find out. Go online and locate their tax records and satisfy your curosity. 

    Ae911 truth said they will release the paper and data fully with no restrictions, this was the only promise. They've delivered. You can bicker about the content of the study and that's fine, go ahead.

    Pretend study? Many of Hulsey announcements is backed up two different engineering groups in court.  Do you not realise 13th floor and 8th and 9th floors (is a gap of 5 floors)

    NIST speculation and assumptions about the collapse is depended, on the girder on 13th floor slipping from its column/girder seat!

     If the girder on the floor 13th does not fall, there is no progressive collapse and there computer model is not correct.


  • #1168
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    
    Ae911 truth said they will release the paper and data fully with no restrictions, this was the only promise. They've delivered.

    Bull. ****.

    A conspiracy group paid a professor in Alaska around $300,000 to produce a sketchy-ass study


  • #1169
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    LOL



    The usual nonsense. The WTC buildings falling due to damage/fire is accepted by experts worldwide, recognised groups of engineers and architects

    Do they recognize NIST trigger event for the collapse? Yes/NO answer please
    There various groups claiming opposite collapses occurred on different floors. There no consensus even how it started. 

    Hulsey study was an investigation of the scenario NIST gave for the collapse. He was checking to see if it would work. He found more problems with it. 


  • #1170
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Kingmob, This is not being carried out for you.
    No, it's not being carried out at all because they are not being open.
    They lied when they said they were going to be open.

    Why are you claiming they are being open when they are hiding their finances from you?
    Why are you defending them?


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  • #1171
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Bull. ****.

    A conspiracy group paid a professor in Alaska around $300,000 to produce a sketchy-ass study

    Again a court case took place and two mainstream engineering groups accepted Hulsey conclusions about the girder on floor 13th is correct!  The two groups even set forth in court that lateral web plate would have stopped. the girder from falling of its seat.. Debunkers are too hung up about the controlled demolition AE911 put forth and are not acknowledging other groups have debunked NIST explantation for the collapse. AE911 truth should focus more on what said in court and check if the two other groups scenario is anyway plausible?.


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