Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

joeysoap · 12-03-2020 03:23PM

If a person from a Schengen country booked a flight to USA from Dublin will US border personnel in Dublin refuse them travel?

munchkin_utd · 12-03-2020 03:25PM

joeysoap wrote: »

If a person from a Schengen country booked a flight to USA from Dublin will US border personnel in Dublin refuse them travel?

if they have been in a Schengen state in the previous 14 days, they cant travel to the US

Kev11491 · 12-03-2020 04:00PM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

if they have been in a Schengen state in the previous 14 days, they cant travel to the US

Couldn't a passenger easily lie? I mean say I was in Paris last week and I'm flying to NY on saturday, there's no evidence that I was in Paris on my passport.

joeysoap · 12-03-2020 04:09PM

But if you had a. French passport?

basill · 12-03-2020 04:10PM

Kev11491 wrote: »

Couldn't a passenger easily lie? I mean say I was in Paris last week and I'm flying to NY on saturday, there's no evidence that I was in Paris on my passport.

No doubt its a offence to lie to a CBP officer and you risk being excluded from the USA.

sherology · 12-03-2020 04:37PM

joeysoap wrote: »

If a person from a Schengen country booked a flight to USA from Dublin will US border personnel in Dublin refuse them travel?

One would assume that your passport number would have been 'logged' either via the airline - 'advanced passenger notification' type stuff or somewhere along your journey, and one would assume the border folks would have access to that via their systems. Your passports nationality is not important - although a likely 'red flag' for a deeper search or more probing questions'... It's (your) journey through Schengen that is the inhibitor. I wouldn't risk lying to them... They're narly as F. And if you're ever refused, you have to apply for a travel visa from then on - no more waiver... And that's a whole other kettle-a-fish with the stern and unhelpful border patrol.

goingnowhere · 12-03-2020 05:25PM

If its a connecting ticket the CBP can see the whole itinerary, EI will cancel all TATL bookings from Schengen or possibly offer everyone a free 14 day layover in Ireland (this is already in the ticketing rules) going forward. You won't even get to Dublin.

One of the first typical CBP questions of non Irish passport holders in Dublin, is where do you live. This has been routine for years. For non EU citizens its a slam dunk as the passport has the exit stamp so you are going nowhere

Don't try to play with CBP it will end badly.

Given we have pre-clearance we could be the last post standing in Europe for US travel as it allows the US to screen everyone before even arriving

Kev11491 · 12-03-2020 05:43PM

joeysoap wrote: »

But if you had a. French passport?

You could easily have a French passport and live in Dublin. CBP officer is not going to know if you've been home to Paris for a weekend.

sherology · 12-03-2020 05:58PM

Are EI flights to the US seeing an uptick in numbers for today and the next few days due to a 'rush to get home' does anyone know or notice (if at the airport)?

Without Schengen (and the transfer traffic which supports the entire US operation), will there be flight reductions soon? Perhaps EI will keep the hub/connection (closest) airport US routes (JFK/BOS), transfer remaining booked passengers to domestic carriers from there (get them to their destination), and stop the longer routes for a few months?

LRs might come in handy if traffic does drop off substantially. Can't see the network holding up without transfers and I know Irish people about to cancel trips as they see the viral 'bloom' begining as it has done in China and Italy. Unpredictable times... Were it me... I'd start cutting flights and divert via hubs and interlines. Don't risk the airline... Too much has been achieved.

billy few mates · 12-03-2020 05:59PM

basill wrote: »

No doubt its a offence to lie to a CBP officer and you risk being excluded from the USA.

Lying on an official form or to a government official is a federal offense and you risk far more than permanent exclusion from the USA, particularly lying about something like this...

joeysoap · 12-03-2020 06:15PM

Ok, so basically if you travelled in the Schengen area in the past 14 days, whatever your nationality, you won’t gain entry to USA. If you are from a Schengen country but living here you will be ok.

sherology · 12-03-2020 06:21PM

joeysoap wrote: »

Ok, so basically if you travelled in the Schengen area in the past 14 days, whatever your nationality, you won’t gain entry to USA. If you are from a Schengen country but living here you will be ok.

Yup... If you're from anywhere around these parts including UK/IRL and have been in the Schengen area in last 14-days... Not welcome. If from UK/IRL and haven't been there, your welcome... Until Trump needs to blame someone else.

Aviation2K16 · 12-03-2020 07:10PM

Does anyone know whats happening with SNN JFK today? LRD is still in SNN.

alancostello · 12-03-2020 07:28PM

sherology wrote: »

Are EI flights to the US seeing an uptick in numbers for today and the next few days due to a 'rush to get home' does anyone know or notice (if at the airport)?

Without Schengen (and the transfer traffic which supports the entire US operation), will there be flight reductions soon? Perhaps EI will keep the hub/connection (closest) airport US routes (JFK/BOS), transfer remaining booked passengers to domestic carriers from there (get them to their destination), and stop the longer routes for a few months?

LRs might come in handy if traffic does drop off substantially. Can't see the network holding up without transfers and I know Irish people about to cancel trips as they see the viral 'bloom' begining as it has done in China and Italy. Unpredictable times... Were it me... I'd start cutting flights and divert via hubs and interlines. Don't risk the airline... Too much has been achieved.

Just flew DUB-PHL on AA, the flight was maybe two thirds full when checking in Wednesday morning but every seat was taken this morning. They’re moving up people who need to get to the US ASAP.

Tenger · 12-03-2020 07:48PM

The "last post" suggestion above sounds vaguely plausible.
The US could decide to require all Schengen travelers to route via DUB or SNN in order to "protect the Homeland"

The ban is health security theatre in my opinion. No restriction on US citizens travelling back. At least 4 clusters in the US are caused by US citizens returning from Italy.
And any US citizens currently in the Schengen area could well be infected. Unless all returnees are quarantined this ban is flawed.

sherology · 12-03-2020 08:34PM

Tenger wrote: »

The "last post" suggestion above sounds vaguely plausible.
The US could decide to require all Schengen travelers to route via DUB or SNN in order to "protect the Homeland"

The ban is health security theatre in my opinion. No restriction on US citizens travelling back. At least 4 clusters in the US are caused by US citizens returning from Italy.
And any US citizens currently in the Schengen area could well be infected. Unless all returnees are quarantined this ban is flawed.

I thought that too... If they further restricted travel they could setup health monitoring at the CBP outstations... Like a health-based shannon stop-over, for necessary travel... Shorthaul flights to IRL and connect (if passed) to perhaps hub flights to the US where further checks are done before exit or interline. A bit distopian , but isn't everything these days.

Approval for such a system would be a hard sell for Irish politicians, plus issues with 'return to sender' if denied entry, process of doing so, time to do so, isolation during this time, care during this time, refusal to leave (and how to force), exiting the ariport in IRL (as EU citizens), method of return (if rejected by CBP then returning airline/crew/passengers would like also reject carrying the passenger), so likely a minefield and unlikely to 'fly' (pun intended).

Marcusm · 12-03-2020 09:30PM

Tenger wrote: »

The "last post" suggestion above sounds vaguely plausible.
The US could decide to require all Schengen travelers to route via DUB or SNN in order to "protect the Homeland"

The ban is health security theatre in my opinion. No restriction on US citizens travelling back. At least 4 clusters in the US are caused by US citizens returning from Italy.
And any US citizens currently in the Schengen area could well be infected. Unless all returnees are quarantined this ban is flawed.

You miss the point that it is almost impossible to deny a citizen (plus what the US calls lawful permanent residents, ie green card holders) entry to THEIR country. They can be subject to post-entry conduct restrictions such as isolation but entry to your home country is the most basic of movement rights.

Marcusm · 12-03-2020 09:31PM

Kev11491 wrote: »

You could easily have a French passport and live in Dublin. CBP officer is not going to know if you've been home to Paris for a weekend.

They have more access to credit card and immigration records than many like to admit. Whether they can process this on a real-time basis is a different question.

LeakRate · 12-03-2020 10:35PM

Its a very complicated mess, but US citizens can travel from the barred european countries into 11 CDC approved airport entry points in the US, so the US airlines will most likely still operate for at least a few days anyway

adam88 · 12-03-2020 11:46PM

Anyone know why the stobart is departing kerry this late

Oscar Bravo · 13-03-2020 12:11AM

adam88 wrote: »

Anyone know why the stobart is departing kerry this late

EI-FAT was used this evening as the booked ATR went tech. departed to Kerry about 2 hours late. EI-FAT now returning to Dublin as STK31P

adam88 · 13-03-2020 12:27AM

Morning flight be cancelled ??

LXFlyer · 13-03-2020 12:34AM

adam88 wrote: »

Morning flight be cancelled ??

Not necessarily. An aircraft could still position down from Dublin first thing tomorrow morning.

The mandatory crew rest period would prevent the morning flight from operating on time in any case had EI-FAT stayed in Kerry.

Tenger · 13-03-2020 01:44AM

Marcusm wrote: »

You miss the point that it is almost impossible to deny a citizen (plus what the US calls lawful permanent residents, ie green card holders) entry to THEIR country. They can be subject to post-entry conduct restrictions such as isolation but entry to your home country is the most basic of movement rights.

Didnt miss the point, just side stepped it, and was perhaps unclear.
The DHS notice is very clear that there are NO restriction on US citizens travelling back to the US, so I didnt refer to them.
My post referred to Schengen travelers, I meant that to cover foreign national traveling FROM the 29 named countries.

I stand by my thinking that this is theatre UNLESS they enforce a 14 day quarantine on all US citizens arriving back from Europe as a whole.

MJohnston · 13-03-2020 02:03AM

Tenger wrote: »

Didnt miss the point, just side stepped it, and was perhaps unclear.
The DHS notice is very clear that there are NO restriction on US citizens travelling back to the US, so I didnt refer to them.
My post referred to Schengen travelers, I meant that to cover foreign national traveling FROM the 29 named countries.

I stand by my thinking that this is theatre UNLESS they enforce a 14 day quarantine on all US citizens arriving back from Europe as a whole.

It's pointless theatre too, as nobody in Italy is flying anywhere right now, whilst the UK, clearly one of the least competently prepared countries in Europe, is free to travel to the US.

Honestly, I'd say in a week or less, we'll start seeing the full extent of what's happening in the US, and they'll be the ones being banned from travelling here.