Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

RandomName2 · 11-03-2020 10:45AM

The government are only barely starting to react to this, but when it does, wouldn't it be wise to coordinate with the Stormont government as well? While covid-19 is a problem shared with the whole of Europe, this is particularly the case for neighbors, particularly when we have a hope of screening people coming onto the island of Ireland.

Tootsie_1 · 11-03-2020 10:46AM

Wibbs wrote: »

They should. My local pharmacist is already. Bumped into her yesterday and she mentioned they were getting masks and hand sanitiser, but only one each per customer and existing customers have preference over randomers. She told me the last fortnight has been a bit daft, with the occasional individual being insane and asking to buy whole boxes of gloves, hand wash and masks and a couple had screaming fits when they were told no. She told them to head off and had to threaten ringing the Guards on them. Apparently the latest thing they've been hit by is people trying to stock up on paracetamol.

Paracetamol will be going short from the manufacturers as a lot of ingredients come out of China and India ... so it could be hard to get once supplies here run low

martingriff · 11-03-2020 10:46AM

Scotty # wrote: »

or until we put the country under lockdown.

And how long do we put the country in lockdown
How do we stop the virus coming back after lockdown as other countries will still have cases. If we do it for a period how do we get the food we import. How do we pay people. How many jobs will be left

tobefrank321 · 11-03-2020 10:46AM

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

So I'm in hospital in the Midlands not a case of it.... But no visitors allowed not even off duty staff to visit me who are nurses.. crazy stuff

Prevention far better than cure, they are doing the right thing, for a hospital especially.

Yurt2 · 11-03-2020 10:47AM

The horse has bolted now, but for future outbreaks, perhaps the WHO should be funded by doner nations to have warehouses of essential virus-fighting materiel in-storage and a corps of trained nurses, virologists and doctors for rapid-response to initial outbreak in whatever country.

It's an expensive proposition, but it's preferable to what's unfolding now.

If nations can spend billions maintaining armed forces, they can do so for an international medical army to protect global health.

Steve F · 11-03-2020 10:47AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Stupid question

I assume this cant be stopped until we find a vaccine?

Forgot to say on my other post.Vaccine's don't stop viruses in their tracks they reduce the number of people contracting them
The seasonal 'flu vaccine is only 50-60% effective
When they eventually release one for Covid19 we won't be completely "out of the woods" That's the huge mistake we could make in the aftermath of all this.

"We have a vaccine...it's all over"

RandomName2 · 11-03-2020 10:47AM

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

So I'm in hospital in the Midlands not a case of it.... But no visitors allowed not even off duty staff to visit me who are nurses.. crazy stuff

Yes it would be much better for there to be an outbreak there and for a floundering response to then be delivered.

Do people not actually understand how viruses spread or are they just pretending? This entire outbreak has given me good reason to question the intelligence of the general population.

weldoninhio · 11-03-2020 10:47AM

touts wrote: »

Agree.

And I was shocked at the disgraceful scenes from Cheltenham on the news last night. Tens of thousands of half pissed gamblers crammed in together, celebrating a few horses running around a field. Gamblers is probably the key word there. They are gambling with the health of the nation all for a bit of craic.

If many cases are traced back to people going to Cheltenham then it will be the end of the Horse Racing industry. It will be hard to justify pumping
tens of millions of taxpayers money into their hobby after they give the two fingers to the public. When cuts inevitably come to government budgets to compensate for the Coronavirus recession then there will be a public demand for the horse industry to be first on the chopping block.

60k at Cheltenham each day, The Tube carries 60k every hour or so. Should the Tube be shut down??

leahyl · 11-03-2020 10:47AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Maybe supermarkets need to start rationing?

There was someone on the radio from a pharmacy the other day and they are only allowing 2 hand sanitisers per customer. Amazed this isn't happening in other places.

Cilldara_2000 · 11-03-2020 10:48AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Either a vaccine or the kind of ruthless methods employed by the Chinese.

We won't have the first for well over a year.

Luke O'Neill on Pat Kenny programme there this morning. He seems to be more confident about a vaccine in September based on the number of teams working on it, how the all want to be first so there's a race between them, and the funding that has been available to them.

No doubt we can completely ignore this particular expert because the responsible experts are in scare-the-public-into-compliance mode. :rolleyes:

Boggles · 11-03-2020 10:48AM

martingriff wrote: »

And how long do we put the country in lockdown
How do we stop the virus coming back after lockdown as other countries will still have cases. If we do it for a period how do we get the food we import. How do we pay people. How many jobs will be left

19 questions and not one question mark.

otnomart · 11-03-2020 10:48AM

France has nearly 1800 cases and French citizens are not allowed to travel in a number of Countries.
At the moment: Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, India, El Salvador.
Vietnam has not a ban but is discouraging travel from France
Nepal is no longer issuing Visa to travellers from France
Other Countries have not banned travel from France but are imposing a quarantine on arrival
https://www.bfmtv.com/international/acces-interdit-quarantaine-ces-pays-quiimposent-des-restrictions-aux-francais-en-raison-du-coronavirus-1872894.html

tobefrank321 · 11-03-2020 10:48AM

martingriff wrote: »

And how long do we put the country in lockdown
How do we stop the virus coming back after lockdown as other countries will still have cases. If we do it for a period how do we get the food we import. How do we pay people. How many jobs will be left

You can lockdown early and save many lives.
You can lockdown when the sh*t hits the fan after CV really takes hold.

Either way the economy tanks and a similar amount of jobs are lost.

This is not rocket science.

You don't have to do a total lockdown.

Closing schools for example will lead to few if any job losses if remote schooling is set up properly. Likewise those working from home generally.

When you lockdown, you still keep essential services running - in fact a lockdown helps keep these services running, as healthcare professionals are not swamped with people getting coronavirus because they went to school or went socialising.

sudzs · 11-03-2020 10:49AM

Do we have any idea how many tests the HSE have actually carried out??

RandomName2 · 11-03-2020 10:49AM

Boggles wrote: »

19 questions and not one question mark.

Seems reasonable as there won't be any answer forthcoming from those in authority

NIMAN · 11-03-2020 10:49AM

leahyl wrote: »

There was someone on the radio from a pharmacy the other day and they are only allowing 2 hand sanitisers per customer. Amazed this isn't happening in other places.

Ordinary soap is fine.
Don't get obsessed about hand sanitizers.

Boggles · 11-03-2020 10:49AM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Luke O'Neill on Pat Kenny programme there this morning. He seems to be more confident about a vaccine in September based on the number of teams working on it, how the all want to be first so there's a race between them, and the funding that has been available to them.

No doubt we can completely ignore this particular expert because the responsible experts are in scare-the-public-into-compliance mode. :rolleyes:

China will trial it next month, which means they are all ready injecting humans.

Trials of treatments are underway.

Blazer · 11-03-2020 10:50AM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Yes it would be much better for there to be an outbreak there and for a floundering response to then be delivered.

Do people not actually understand how viruses spread or are they just pretending? This entire outbreak has given me good reason to question the intelligence of the general population.

Collective intelligence of the human species is barely above that of monkeys.
Only for a few exceptional geniuses we’ll still be in caves scratching our balls.

Yurt2 · 11-03-2020 10:50AM

A vaccine by September would be best-case-scenario. Fingers crossed they can get it done and it's not rolled-out on a for-profit basis.

tillyfilly · 11-03-2020 10:50AM

I'm in the office at work and some people are clearly sick,should I start wearing my back up mask and gloves?

Hector Savage · 11-03-2020 10:50AM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

The numbers are scary, but the logic behind them is correct
I applaud her attempt at giving people a wake-up call before it's too late

It's a worst case scenario.

It's not taking into account that this is a cumulative stat - this is over the next 18 months, in which case new treatments and hopefully a vaccine will be available - not to mention the likely slowdown of spread in the summer heat.

Graces7 · 11-03-2020 10:51AM

Xertz wrote: »

I’m starting to go from just being concerned to feeling this whole thing is far too close to home and seemingly has no end in sight.

I’ve relatives who are elderly and others who’ve lung issues and I even am getting a bit paranoid about this as I’m getting a tickle in my throat today and just didn’t leave the house and worked from home.

I took on a piece of research that involves fieldwork which I basically can’t safely do. So that’s scrapped for now and again I’m being told I’m taking it too seriously.

And to make matters really bad there seem to be no end in sight for months or possibly even into 2021.

I honestly think I’ll have to just go walk on a beach tomorrow, far away from people coughing or I’ll go cracked! I don’t want to pick anything up pass anything on. So I’m just going to keep away from places with people and clear my head.

If this is the “new normal” I’ll need a lot of walks on the beach and some very chilled out music.

Walking on the beach is perfect. Especially in a good breeze. Go !

Stevieluvsye · 11-03-2020 10:51AM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Luke O'Neill on Pat Kenny programme there this morning. He seems to be more confident about a vaccine in September based on the number of teams working on it, how the all want to be first so there's a race between them, and the funding that has been available to them.

No doubt we can completely ignore this particular expert because the responsible experts are in scare-the-public-into-compliance mode. :rolleyes:

We'll all be dead by then, according to some posters

Poor_old_gill · 11-03-2020 10:51AM

Drumpot wrote: »

If I remember correct from Dr Aylwards conference a few weeks ago, he suggested that at the start death rates are high because

- populations do not really know how to react , how to be careful and what the symptoms are so don’t know when to self isolate or go get medical help
- more vulnerable people die quicker/sooner
- governments and hospitals/healthcare have not dealt with it so are not fully prepared

And basically the opposite happens as everyone comes to terms with it and learns what has to be done.

Yeah my assumption would be similar but that only me applying everyday logic to a situation where it may not apply.

I’d imagine the death rate will be high at the start as it’ll take out the low hanging fruit (apologies for the insensitive term)

leahyl · 11-03-2020 10:51AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Ordinary soap is fine.
Don't get obsessed about hand sanitizers.

Yes, I know that but I imagine people want them for when they are out and about - not at home. Soap isn't much use if you are on the go - you'd have to have access to toilet facilities in order to wash your hands.

Soap is obviously perfectly fine at home.

11-03-2020 10:51AM

Woah. Hold on.

If you’re self isolating then wtf are you going to the shops for!

owlbethere · 11-03-2020 10:51AM

otnomart wrote: »

At least one of the UK cases is related to travel in Australia.
This is in addition to the UK case originated in Singapore (the businessman who then travel to the sky resort in France)
"One England sequence clusters distantly with Australian sequences. These may be related by travel history."

https://twitter.com/nextstrain/status/1237516085785702406

I read up a little on Spanish flu yesterday. The main spreaders were soldiers travelling during world war 1. The Spanish flu eased when world war one came to an end.

This Covid-19 - tourists are the main spreaders. At this stage and I hate to say it the boarders should be closed.

industry accountant · 11-03-2020 10:51AM

tillyfilly wrote: »

I'm in the office at work and some people are clearly sick,should I start wearing my back up mask and gloves?

My boss was in Italy over the weekend for a nice relaxing break away and came back into work yesterday!

11-03-2020 10:51AM

Woah. Hold on.

If you’re self isolating then wtf are you going to the shops for!

Scotty # · 11-03-2020 10:51AM

martingriff wrote: »

And how long do we put the country in lockdown
How do we stop the virus coming back after lockdown as other countries will still have cases. If we do it for a period how do we get the food we import. How do we pay people. How many jobs will be left

I would guestimate it will take a minimum of 6 months. It will cause a major recession and many many job loses.

The alternative is to follow Italy into the abyss. Hundreds dying PER DAY and no room in hospitals for new cases. Lockdown is the lesser of two evils I think.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP