Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

josip · 11-03-2020 10:35AM

Mr.S wrote: »

What’s the obsession with hand sanitiser? Isn’t warm water and soap just as effective?

Soap and water is hard to use when you're out and about.
And out and about is where you most need to keep your hands clean.

Poor_old_gill · 11-03-2020 10:35AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Angela Merkel was saying 70% of Germany's pop. will be infected, I think it's quite irresponsible - this will only cause panic.

That means at least 1M deaths in Germany

(87M*0.7*0.02 = 1,148,000

Can anyone see that scenario ?? really ?

While at first glance the numbers do seem ludicrous to me- that’s the way the trends are pointing.

The lunacy of the numbers needs to be qualified by the fact that i have not lived through something like this before and don’t have a great understanding of what’s gona happen.

I’d imagine the 2% rate will fall off as people take preventative measures and a better understanding of the virus comes about

industry accountant · 11-03-2020 10:36AM

Mr.S wrote: »

What’s the obsession with hand sanitiser? Isn’t warm water and soap just as effective?

Not very useful when out and about though!

DrumSteve · 11-03-2020 10:37AM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

While at first glance the numbers do seem ludicrous to me- that’s the way the trends are pointing.

The lunacy of the numbers needs to be qualified by the fact that i have not lived through something like this before and don’t have a great understanding of what’s gona happen.

I’d imagine the 2% rate will fall off as people take preventative measures and a better understanding of the virus comes about

This.

I've been saying all along that as soon as one person dies in this country from it, the place will effectively shut down whether the government say anything or not.

Steve F · 11-03-2020 10:37AM

Mr.S wrote: »

What’s the obsession with hand sanitiser? Isn’t warm water and soap just as effective?

More effective
Hand gel should be for when you are out and about
Also no good for heavily soiled hands
You really cant beat good ol soap and water...providing you use it correctly of course a quick splash isn't good enough...at least 30 seconds,good lather,between fingers and don't neglect the thumb give it a good lather too

Graces7 · 11-03-2020 10:38AM

gozunda wrote: »

Detention School best place for the little darlings...

Most parents would agree I reckon ...

Old saying.. " Teacher's rest, mother's pest..."

Sweet.Science · 11-03-2020 10:38AM

Stupid question

I assume this cant be stopped until we find a vaccine?

otnomart · 11-03-2020 10:38AM

Ardillaun wrote: »

Although some of the stories from hospitals in Italy are alarming, I’m guessing that the biggest cause of a high rate like that, even in Lombardy, is still underdiagnosis of asymptomatic and mild cases. One way to assess this is the number of tests. Until Italy reaches South Korean levels of testing at least, it is probably missing thousands of cases and thus inflating its fatality rate.

Massive effort from Italy which yesterday reached 60000 tests.

The new fast test will also help with this:

Italian company DiaSorin completes studies for launch of rapid response molecular test for covid-19

https://uk.reuters.com/article/brief...-idUKFWN2B21CB

product expected to be launched in Europe CE marked and submitted to FDA under emergency use authorization process by end of March 2020
test to enable sample-to-answer results within 60 minutes compared to 5-7 hours currently necessary to report patient results

Wibbs · 11-03-2020 10:38AM

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

wibbs you are a dangerous person

Probably. C'mere and I'll cough on you.

Drumpot · 11-03-2020 10:39AM

otnomart wrote: »

He is worried on the effect on Irish tourism.
He has seen the Italian tourism industry ground to a halt and he is afraid of that to happen in Ireland once the number of cases start ramping up to a three digit number.
He should realise that tourism is now stopping for a while - until the epidemic is contained Worldwide.

I’m curious to know how much this will cost in the long run. You’d hope that it’s maybe 6 months disruption and even if there is a second wave in winter we would possibly be more prepared. With a potential vaccine possibly next summer let’s say this could really stagnate things for a year.

If most countries go through something similar then they all have a similar problem to resolve. I would of thought it reasonable to assume that , like 2008, most things will recover. Tourism in particular should surely bounce back as it’s not like this virus is unique to Ireland.

The only way it can cause as much or more damage as 2008 is if there is a contagion effect that causes other issues like lots of bank defaults (watch PCP finance possibly collapse) which is prob a bigger issue then what we will directly see. But on the flip side if everybody is suggesting the same perhaps there will be some sort of global reboot were debt isn’t necessarily written off but is remanaged (like they are sort of talking about doing)

Steve F · 11-03-2020 10:39AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Stupid question

I assume this cant be stopped until we find a vaccine?

WHO: "Pushed back.Slowed.Delayed"
No it's not "going away":(

spookwoman · 11-03-2020 10:39AM

Graces7 wrote: »

No necessarily, as folk with autoimmune problems cannot take vaccines,

Bull! People with auto iimune problems are the ones that are told they need to vaccinate. Have crossover symptoms of lupus, cfs, fibro and you can ask many others with the conditions that doctors advice you to get flu jab every year.

RandomName2 · 11-03-2020 10:40AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I think we can get a little bit carried away with the figures. When they mentioned 1.9m people catching the virus, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the 1.9m will have severe enough symptoms to even get diagnosed. Working death rates off these numbers might be erroneous.

We could assume hospitalization would be required for about 20% of those 1.9 million, and that 10% of those hospitalized would die.

These rates may be erroneous, but they are unlikely to be at this stage. With around 119,000 cases, 66,000 recoveries, and 4,200 deaths we should have ample data at this stage to make predictions, and predictions are useful.

For instance if those figures hold true, we would be looking at 380 thousand hospitalizations. I find it hard to believe that our health service would be in any state to cope with that.

Graces7 · 11-03-2020 10:40AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Maybe supermarkets need to start rationing?

tobefrank321 · 11-03-2020 10:40AM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

While at first glance the numbers do seem ludicrous to me- that’s the way the trends are pointing.

The lunacy of the numbers needs to be qualified by the fact that i have not lived through something like this before and don’t have a great understanding of what’s gona happen.

I’d imagine the 2% rate will fall off as people take preventative measures and a better understanding of the virus comes about

Levelling the curve as early as possible is the key, before hospitals become overwhelmed with cases.

Waiting until it becomes really bad before closing stuff down is a bad approach. By then its likely too late.

Wibbs · 11-03-2020 10:40AM

ITman88 wrote: »

Sounds a lot like most posters on this thread!

Maybe, but if he were to post here he'd be roasted by others and likely banned for being a complete fcuking moron and the posters on this thread aren't pretending to be the "leader of the free world".

cnocbui · 11-03-2020 10:41AM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

While at first glance the numbers do seem ludicrous to me- that’s the way the trends are pointing.

The lunacy of the numbers needs to be qualified by the fact that i have not lived through something like this before and don’t have a great understanding of what’s gona happen.

I’d imagine the 2% rate will fall off as people take preventative measures and a better understanding of the virus comes about

The 2% is only affected by how many respirators there are, that's why they are dying like flies in Italy and probably Iran. Preventive measures will only affect the number of cases, with the number severe likely to be greater than the number of respirators.

Scotty # · 11-03-2020 10:41AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Stupid question

I assume this cant be stopped until we find a vaccine?

or until we put the country under lockdown.

channaigh · 11-03-2020 10:41AM

Silent Running wrote: »

We've been at home for a week now. We weren't able to get hand sanitiser before we decided to self isolate. Today we have to go out to get food. Hopefully we will find sanitiser before too long and keep our hands clean as we go. A curse on those people with multiple bottles of hand sanitiser tucked away "just in case".

We both have health issues that might well make infection very serious for us. I've been coughing for a couple of weeks, but no fever.

I got some wet wipes and squirted some milton into the packet now I have some antibacterial wipes. There was no dettol wipes or sprays yesterday in my supermarket but in the baby aisle lots of bottles of milton
maybe an idea if stuck

whisky_galore · 11-03-2020 10:41AM

josip wrote: »

Grandchildren, if they have any.
I've found that as a last resort, "think of your grandchildren " can sometimes get the message across.

I found "Do you want to go back into hospital, again?" knowing she hates the hospital experience, something she can't argue with.

11-03-2020 10:41AM

Silent Running wrote: »

We've been at home for a week now. We weren't able to get hand sanitiser before we decided to self isolate. Today we have to go out to get food. Hopefully we will find sanitiser before too long and keep our hands clean as we go. A curse on those people with multiple bottles of hand sanitiser tucked away "just in case".

We both have health issues that might well make infection very serious for us. I've been coughing for a couple of weeks, but no fever.

Make up a soapy wash solution and bring a face cloth to dry your hands.

tobefrank321 · 11-03-2020 10:42AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Stupid question

I assume this cant be stopped until we find a vaccine?

Either a vaccine or the kind of ruthless methods employed by the Chinese.

We won't have the first for well over a year.

Tootsie_1 · 11-03-2020 10:42AM

So just listening to 98FM there they had a clip of a guy saying he was tested Friday still no word as of today if he has it or not , no wonder our numbers are so low !

Drumpot · 11-03-2020 10:43AM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

While at first glance the numbers do seem ludicrous to me- that’s the way the trends are pointing.

The lunacy of the numbers needs to be qualified by the fact that i have not lived through something like this before and don’t have a great understanding of what’s gona happen.

I’d imagine the 2% rate will fall off as people take preventative measures and a better understanding of the virus comes about

If I remember correct from Dr Aylwards conference a few weeks ago, he suggested that at the start death rates are high because

- populations do not really know how to react , how to be careful and what the symptoms are so don’t know when to self isolate or go get medical help
- more vulnerable people die quicker/sooner
- governments and hospitals/healthcare have not dealt with it so are not fully prepared

And basically the opposite happens as everyone comes to terms with it and learns what has to be done.

Akrasia · 11-03-2020 10:43AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

there was reports of stem cell treatment working for coronavirus as well,

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3053080/coronavirus-critically-ill-chinese-patient-saved-stem-cell

We're gonna run out of foetuses

channelsurfer2 · 11-03-2020 10:43AM

So I'm in hospital in the Midlands not a case of it.... But no visitors allowed not even off duty staff to visit me who are nurses.. crazy stuff

Wibbs · 11-03-2020 10:44AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Maybe supermarkets need to start rationing?

They should. My local pharmacist is already. Bumped into her yesterday and she mentioned they were getting masks and hand sanitiser, but only one each per customer and existing customers have preference over randomers. She told me the last fortnight has been a bit daft, with the occasional individual being insane and asking to buy whole boxes of gloves, hand wash and masks and a couple had screaming fits when they were told no. She told them to head off and had to threaten ringing the Guards on them. Apparently the latest thing they've been hit by is people trying to stock up on paracetamol.

stockshares · 11-03-2020 10:45AM

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

So I'm in hospital in the Midlands not a case of it.... But no visitors allowed not even off duty staff to visit me who are nurses.. crazy stuff

Its not crazy, it's called prevention.

banie01 · 11-03-2020 10:45AM

Gods Gift wrote: »

Jesus.
Watching trump last night saying his uncle was a scientist and a genius.
That’s how he understands this virus so well. Doctors do be amazed at his grasp of the situation.

My father was a mechanic, ergo I am clearly a fantastic heart surgeon!

I posted late last night about Askeaton's parade organising committee deciding to push ahead with having their town parade on the 17th.

Delighted to see so little support for the idea from the community, but surely someone needs to take action to stand down the idiots in these community positions trying solo runs?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=227234065346523&id=110673040335960&comment_id=227312035338726&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic&notif_id=1583881622363161&ref=m_notif&refid=48

retro:electro · 11-03-2020 10:45AM

Mr.S wrote: »

What’s the obsession with hand sanitiser? Isn’t warm water and soap just as effective?

Yes it is but hand sanitiser is handy for when you’re out and about. Places like the self service till in supermarkets, atm machines, communal pens in places like post offices and dole offices, petrol pumps and every kind of a a door handle and of course touching cash.

There are a myriad of places where this virus could be lingering and yes that’s possibly a little alarmist but it’s unrealistic to think there will be water and soap available after touching all of these. I’ve a bottle of sanitiser in my bag and in my car and am finding them very useful when I can’t get to a sink.

You could of course wait until you got to a sink to wash them, but it’s likely you would have touched your face 100 times in the interim.

Getting tired of people repeating this nugget.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP