What Whisky/Whiskey are we drinking this month?

BeerNut · 26-02-2020 05:05PM

Mellor wrote: »

I don’t think that’s correct. So it was differentiate from cheap scotch, not other Irish whiskey iirc.

I'm sure there are those more versed in whiskey here who can set our recollections straight, but Paddy famously had no E until the 1960s. It's not hard to find examples of early-20th-century labels from Dunville of Belfast and Wise's of Cork with no E.

Hotblack Desiato · 26-02-2020 05:40PM

E's are good.

SteelyDanJalapeno · 26-02-2020 07:16PM

mik_da_man wrote: »

Bradley's on North Main street should have it

Star!

mooseknunkle · 26-02-2020 07:38PM

Mellor wrote: »

I don’t think that’s correct. So it was differentiate from cheap scotch, not other Irish whiskey iirc.

The column still allowed the Scots to start blending cheaper grain with malt whisky. The still was developed in Ireland, but Irish distilleries rejected it. The big 4 published a booklet denouncing this method, and with it the whiskey spelling was created. Not everyone followed the spelling immediately but pretty sure the rejection was throughout the country.

I didn’t realise the spelling was intentional. Thought it was a amateur mistake from marketing or something.

Here's their explanation of why they spell it Whisky

https://waterfordwhisky.com/element/e-not-e/?fbclid=IwAR0iTAtgdj7uOiapI5B_rx6J2R99_KTvNEFG_eyuJPG5o6xfIcJWOhAFz2Q

Mellor · 26-02-2020 10:55PM

BeerNut wrote: »

I'm sure there are those more versed in whiskey here who can set our recollections straight, but Paddy famously had no E until the 1960s. It's not hard to find examples of early-20th-century labels from Dunville of Belfast and Wise's of Cork with no E.

That doesn’t disagree with anything I said though. The E was always optional, even now. Paddy didn’t adopt the E until the 60s. Bushmills and Tullsmure did. But it was always aimed at scotch and not rural distillers.

Mellor · 26-02-2020 11:18PM

mooseknunkle wrote: »

Here's their explanation of why they spell it Whisky

https://waterfordwhisky.com/element/e-not-e/?fbclid=IwAR0iTAtgdj7uOiapI5B_rx6J2R99_KTvNEFG_eyuJPG5o6xfIcJWOhAFz2Q

Which essentially agrees with what I said above. It was a response to the (at the time) "cheaper, inferior Scottish spirit that subsequently flooded the market".

It's kinda of ironic, Irish distillers rejected the idea of blending of malt with cheap grain, Scots took it on and crippled the Irish industry. A few decades later, the Scots set a legal standard for single malt, that basically agreed with the Irish argument.

BeerNut · 26-02-2020 11:25PM

Mellor wrote: »

Which essentially agrees with what I said above. It was a response to the (at the time) "cheaper, inferior Scottish spirit that subsequently flooded the market".

Did non-Dublin Irish whiskey just not count? Why is this presented as a Scotland vs. Dublin situation?

Hotblack Desiato · 27-02-2020 03:22AM

So they complain that the E was introduced as a marketing affectation, then introduce a marketing affectation of their own by not using the now-customary E

Mellor · 27-02-2020 08:19AM

BeerNut wrote: »

Did non-Dublin Irish whiskey just not count? Why is this presented as a Scotland vs. Dublin situation?

Huh? Sorry man you’ve lost me there. I didn’t suggest non-Dublin whiskey didn’t count?

The Coffey still produced lower quality spirit. It was rejected throughout Ireland, it wasn’t a Dublin only thing.

BeerNut · 27-02-2020 11:21AM

Mellor wrote: »

The Coffey still produced lower quality spirit. It was rejected throughout Ireland, it wasn’t a Dublin only thing.

So why did non-Dublin, non-Coffey distilleries continue to call their product "whisky"? The argument that the E was introduced to separate Irish product from Scottish doesn't hold up when Irish distilleries weren't using the E.

Mellor · 27-02-2020 01:55PM

BeerNut wrote: »

So why did non-Dublin, non-Coffey distilleries continue to call their product "whisky"?

Because it’s their product, and their decision what spelling to use. Nobody was trying to force them to change. I don’t get the confusion.

Many non-Dublin distilleries did change btw. I’d imagine the majority that changed were outside of Dublin.

The argument that the E was introduced to separate Irish product from Scottish doesn't hold up when Irish distilleries weren't using the E

If a small minority preferred to hold on to the old spelling, that had no bearing the reason anyone else changed spelling.
Actually, that applies whatever the ratio.

Are you actually saying you’d only accept that as the reason if it was adopted by 100% of Irish distilleries?

BeerNut · 27-02-2020 02:10PM

Mellor wrote: »

Are you actually saying you’d only accept that as the reason if it was adopted by 100% of Irish distilleries?

I'm certainly saying that some facts would be good here, with all due respect to your imaginings.

Mellor · 27-02-2020 10:49PM

BeerNut wrote: »

I'm certainly saying that some facts would be good here, with all due respect to your imaginings.

A published document coinciding with the change, outlining the reason. Non-Dublin distilleries changing. Those are facts.
You’re free to believe there was another agenda, despite no evidence, if you like. It’s really inconsequential at this point.

ZV Yoda · 28-02-2020 12:14AM

Picked up at bottle of Longmorn 18. Cask strength. The jury’s out for now. May try it with a drop of water next time.

Pinch Flat · 28-02-2020 12:23AM

Colleague in work mentioned to me over a few drinks he had a bottle of whiskey gathering dust at home. He's not a whiskey drinker. Arrived in Monday with a bottle of pearse lyons 12 year old single malt. Happy days.

TheW1zard · 28-02-2020 12:25AM

Is it worth buying a bottle of jameson caskmates limited edition, and putting it the attic for 20 odd years!?

Rew · 28-02-2020 12:33AM

TheW1zard wrote: »

Is it worth buying a bottle of jameson caskmates limited edition, and putting it the attic for 20 odd years!?

There are lots of casemates bottles, different types released in different countries/markets people collect them in general. The right ones the price goes up but you're prob not looking at that much even in the long term for one of the common ones that you can pickup easily (there are lots and lots of them around).

Effects · 28-02-2020 01:20AM

TheW1zard wrote: »

Is it worth buying a bottle of jameson caskmates limited edition, and putting it the attic for 20 odd years!?

It'll still taste the same, so no point leaving it in the attic for two decades.

Mellor · 28-02-2020 01:27AM

Agree with all the above. A hard to find edition from overseas, or no longer made edition might interest a collector (like the poster here with the full set). But I can't imagine it will be worth much it's own merits in 20 years.

RasTa · 28-02-2020 04:14PM

Thinking about pulling the trigger on a redbreast 27, bit of a jump from the 21 though.

Wailin · 28-02-2020 07:07PM

How much are they selling for?

Rew · 28-02-2020 07:27PM

Wailin wrote: »

How much are they selling for?

500 quid...

Colking · 28-02-2020 07:29PM

Rew wrote: »

500 quid...

These lads will do you a "deal" :pac:

https://www.celticwhiskeyshop.com/Redbreast-27-Year-Old-Single-Pot-Still

Ouch !!

Wailin · 28-02-2020 07:55PM

I'll stick to the 21 so!

Felexicon · 29-02-2020 11:24AM

I've had a bottle of 21yo in the press for over a year now unopened.

No idea why I am so reluctant to open it.

Wailin · 29-02-2020 12:49PM

Finished a bottle a few weeks back. It's nice but I don't think it tastes that much better than the 12 CS for the extra €100 you pay.

Cazale · 29-02-2020 09:18PM

Rew wrote:

500 quid...

â‚¬53 a shot in Sonny Molloys!

sceach16 · 29-02-2020 10:31PM

Cazale wrote: »

€53 a shot in Sonny Molloys!

from a facebook group

"A special offer for members of the Friends of Midleton group
If you find yourself in Killarney and you pay a visit to Charlie Foley's bar, just mention that you are a member of Friends of Midleton group and you will get a 10% discount off your whiskey/whiskeys.
Foley's are now pouring the Redbreast 27 year old Port for €38.50 a glass, so will cost you €34.65 with your discount.
Foley's have an exceptional range of open bottles to choose from, drop in if you are ever in the vicinity."

sceach16 · 29-02-2020 10:34PM

Cazale wrote: »

€53 a shot in Sonny Molloys!

from a facebook group

Christy's Bar on Upper Patrick street in Kilkenny are pouring the Redbreast 27 year old Port for €38.50 a measure.
If you live in Kilkenny then this is a great opportunity to get to try this superb whiskey.
Christy's have an amazing display of whiskey for you to view and admire while you take your time over your pour. Well worth visiting.
.

Cazale · 10-03-2020 06:30PM

Black barrel down to â‚¬30 in Tesco till March 17th. Other whiskeys discounted too but that's the best value of the bunch.

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