Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

Funsterdelux · 10-03-2020 02:13PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Cork as usual leading the way here. As Kington Mills said on radio today it makes common sense to stop importing cases from hot spots too. This is going to change our ways the like of which we can't even imagine yet.

Everytime I hear that name I think of bread

Strazdas · 10-03-2020 02:13PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Like what? Why is Ireland different?

Are we magic

Loads of factors come into play : environment, temperature, weather, proximity of people living near to each other, basic hygiene, cultural customs, the state of the local health service and so on.

You cannot just extrapolate that what happens in one region will happen in another region of another country 1500 miles away.

Christy42 · 10-03-2020 02:13PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Singapore was locked down immediately. And Singapore is a "lock-down' kind of city pretty much all year round

And they still got it. I mean there is proximity but I would bet it came in by plane like everywhere else. Even with.the lockdown.

Hardly a standard bearer for the benefits of a lockdown.

mlem123 · 10-03-2020 02:13PM

I've been told that staff from different parts of (mostly corporate) hse are being told to report to local public health offices as extra staff needed. Might be one of them, don't know but it makes sense

_feedback_ · 10-03-2020 02:14PM

Cazale wrote: »

In a HSE facility for my daughters three month developmental check this morning and there is no hand sanitizer for the public anywhere within the three story building.

I work in purchasing in a private company and have had to accept that that the sanitiser isn't going to come soon!

But those poor feckers purchasing for the HSE must be under severe pressure.

Spoke to a manufacturer last week, who despite having a couple of million euro worth of the stuff ready to go, they couldn't get the packaging materials for it..

It's a mess!

Wibbs · 10-03-2020 02:15PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Like what? Why is Ireland different?

Are we magic

Well Italy is in lockdown, Austria is refusing entry to those coming from italy without a doctors letter, yet we have open flights back and forth without even basic fever check precautions. You couldn't make the idiocy of those "in charge" of this nation's health if you tried. And this is how it'll continue, more slow poke reactive ballsology until numbers spike here, hospitals are overwhelmed and some people die. When the dust settles the morons in charge will claim there was nothing they could really do and not a single one of those morons in the HSE and government will be held accountable.

4068ac1elhodqr · 10-03-2020 02:15PM

timmyntc wrote: »

My favourite by far is that Bill Gates is some kind of Mr Burns style villain trying to block out the sun

The bits about 5G are fairly mad.

....However BillyGates is a driver of the id2020.org programe - that includes unique nanochip delivery through vaccine. Also co-sponsored by the ever-popular Rockerfellas.
See: https://id2020.org/alliance

An Ri rua · 10-03-2020 02:15PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Multiple other governments have deemed the flights to be a risk and stopped all fights from Italy... e.g. Denmark, Austria etc

"Governments"

clever user name · 10-03-2020 02:16PM

Bob24 wrote: »

For reference China locked down Wuhan and enforced country wide restrictions of movement when they had around 500 cases.

This is not necessarily true. Yes, they locked down Wuhan, but countrywide restrictions were not in place until around the 7th/8th of February (give or take). It wasn't until it got to a point that it was beginning to get out of hand that they enforced restrictions on people actually going outside (outside of Hubei). What did work was, in a sense, transferring the responsibility, of not spreading the virus that is, to the to the general public through TV, social media etc. Instilling a 'let's work together to stop this' kind of mentality. It worked. Even before heavy restrictions were in place people were not going outside, the streets were magnitudes less busy than they usually are. In some way it was also good timing. Many places had closed for Chinese New Year so the Chinese government didn't have to order places to close, which would have been harder and taken longer. So it was a combination of things, things that most Western countries can't do until it's too late.

thomas 123 · 10-03-2020 02:16PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Loads of factors come into play : environment, temperature, weather, proximity of people living near to each other, basic hygiene, cultural customs, the state of the local health service and so on.

You cannot just extrapolate that what happens in one region will happen in another region of another country 1500 miles away.

Right, and this has proven to not really discriminate based on the things you have listed, apart from the UK Italy is the closest example we have to a similar culture and population density.

It would be ignorant to think we will be grand because we are not in Italy.

Hopefully what the government has done will stop it coming to that but best prepare for the worst.

jos28 · 10-03-2020 02:16PM

Boggles wrote: »

Use the time you have to change the locks.

:D:D

jam_mac_jam · 10-03-2020 02:16PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Loads of factors come into play : environment, temperature, weather, proximity of people living near to each other, basic hygiene, cultural customs, the state of the local health service and so on.

You cannot just extrapolate that what happens in one region will happen in another region of another country 1500 miles away.

I'm just wondering what it is about Ireland that will make our outcome so different. Because they are 1000 miles away? So it's distance?

The denial of people is interesting. Still haven't heard one reason why it would be different then other countries.

Would you accept we may follow the UK or France or are they different too.

Rob A. Bank · 10-03-2020 02:18PM

https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

167 beds short today... an improvement over the last few days but still disastrous.

From the HSE's own website :

There is no bed for you when you need it

The hospital system needs to have 25% of its beds empty during the quiet periods. This is typically in summer time. This is so that when there is an increase in illness - which happens every year in winter or if there is an outbreak or a disaster - there are beds available to accommodate all the patients.

We need an additional 1200 beds to be able to do this. These beds need to come with doctors, nurses and health and social care professionals to look after the people in them. Investment in more beds and staff is on-going but will take some time.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/about/who/acute-hospitals-division/patient-care/emergency-care/

Ann22 · 10-03-2020 02:19PM

From tomorrow, Trinity College cancelling all lectures for the rest of the semester..They'll be delivered online. Tutorials, lab practical and seminars will continue using distance protocols.

Ipso · 10-03-2020 02:19PM

Ariah Happy Rooster wrote: »

The bits about 5G are fairly mad.

....However BillyGates is a driver of the id2020.org programe - that includes unique nanochip delivery through vaccine. Also co-sponsored by the ever-popular Rockerfellas.
See: https://id2020.org/alliance

Back to the place where they talk about the moon landing and freefall.

PaybackPayroll · 10-03-2020 02:20PM

_feedback_ wrote: »

I work in purchasing in a private company and have had to accept that that the sanitiser isn't going to come soon!

But those poor feckers purchasing for the HSE must be under severe pressure.

Spoke to a manufacturer last week, who despite having a couple of million euro worth of the stuff ready to go, they couldn't get the packaging materials for it..

It's a mess!

I don't get why they can just put the stuff into any plastic container?
I'm sure people aren't too bothered if it has a fancy plastic bottle.

For hopitals etc, large buckets will do.

Really is crazy.

ChikiChiki · 10-03-2020 02:21PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

167 beds short today... an improvement over the last few days but still disastrous.

From the HSE's own website :

Trolley watch is going down because people are discharging themselves.

niallo27 · 10-03-2020 02:21PM

Everyone is giving out about the hse and the government doing nothing but with all these schools and colleges closing and people working from home huge efforts and changes are happening in this country.

CrankyHaus · 10-03-2020 02:21PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Well Italy is in lockdown, Austria is refusing entry to those coming from italy without a doctors letter, yet we have open flights back and forth without even basic fever check precautions. You couldn't make the idiocy of those "in charge" of this nation's health if you tried. And this is how it'll continue, more slow poke reactive ballsology until numbers spike here, hospitals are overwhelmed and some people die. When the dust settles the morons in charge will claim there was nothing they could really do and not a single one of those morons in the HSE and government will be held accountable.

Better yet, zero accountability for those responsible and taxpayer funded redress scheme for anyone affected, and their lawyers. So we'll all get to pay for the cock up while paying the massive pensions of those who cocked up.

SleetAndSnow · 10-03-2020 02:21PM

Got an email from UCC yesterday evening and another from the president at a conference for the business school today saying it’s business as usual within the university and they will be checking with the HSE for guidance on what to do.

Wonder how soon the other Unis will follow suit with trinity, especially UCC now considering how close the Bons case is and how most of the cases in cork are from some undetected source

10-03-2020 02:21PM

I just heard today that Poland have 17 cases. In preparation for a worst case scenario they have started stopping cars entering Poland from Germany, Slovakia and Czech Rep and testing people at the border. They have also erected large marquee type units in case their A and E become overwhelmed.

otnomart · 10-03-2020 02:22PM

Italian company DiaSorin completes studies for launch of rapid response molecular test for covid-19

https://uk.reuters.com/article/brief-diasorin-completes-studies-for-lau/brief-diasorin-completes-studies-for-launch-of-rapid-response-molecular-test-for-covid-19-idUKFWN2B21CB

product expected to be launched in Europe CE marked and submitted to FDA under emergency use authorization process by end of March 2020
test to enable sample-to-answer results within 60 minutes compared to 5-7 hours currently necessary to report patient results

Cork Boy 53 · 10-03-2020 02:22PM

PaybackPayroll wrote: »

I don't get why they can just put the stuff into any plastic container?
I'm sure people aren't too bothered if it has a fancy plastic bottle.

For hopitals etc, large buckets will do.

Really is crazy.

Risk of contamination.

KWAG2019 · 10-03-2020 02:23PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I'm just wondering what it is about Ireland that will make our outcome so different. Because they are 1000 miles away? So it's distance?

The denial of people is interesting. Still haven't heard one reason why it would be different then other countries.

Would you accept we may follow the UK or France or are they different too.

Even stronger action may be needed sooner: this from A&E consultant in Northern Italy via consultant in London.

https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538?s=21

Christy42 · 10-03-2020 02:23PM

Ann22 wrote: »

From tomorrow, Trinity College cancelling all lectures for the rest of the semester..They'll be delivered online. Tutorials, lab practical and seminars will continue using distance protocols.

Your first two sentences contradict each other.

Just say lectures have been moved online. Cancelled makes it sound far more extreme.

Ipso · 10-03-2020 02:23PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I have never read this novel but have ordered it from Amazon today.

Another similar book is On the Beach, not about disease but the aftermath of nuclear war where people are waiting for the inevitable. Grim, but in the nicest possible way.

Bob24 · 10-03-2020 02:24PM

So just got an email that 2 employees in my company tested positive after returning from an “affected area”. It says they haven’t been back to the office since coming back - let’s see how the company reacts but I expect a notice to work from home soon.

joe40 · 10-03-2020 02:24PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I'm just wondering what it is about Ireland that will make our outcome so different. Because they are 1000 miles away? So it's distance?

The denial of people is interesting. Still haven't heard one reason why it would be different then other countries.

Would you accept we may follow the UK or France or are they different too.

I think the UK will be a useful indicator of outcomes for ourselves but unfortunately they are only slightly ahead, but so far similar response.
Italy does seem to be somewhat of an outlier in Europe in terms of the magnitude of cases and death they're enduring. I don't know why.
I agree flights from Northern Italy should have been curtailed earlier and self isolation for people returning.
The mid term break saw a lot of people returning, which probably caused a lot of our current problems. This would also have discouraged subsequent trips to that region.

Mic 1972 · 10-03-2020 02:24PM

Strazdas wrote:

Loads of factors come into play : environment, temperature, weather, proximity of people living near to each other, basic hygiene, cultural customs, the state of the local health service and so on.
You cannot just extrapolate that what happens in one region will happen in another region of another country 1500 miles away.

Ireland ranks below Italy on most of the conditions you listed above

Temperature = lower
Weather = colder and wet
People living in proximity = crammed apartments, crowds in pubs
Basic Hygiene = same
State of Health Service = worse

Strazdas · 10-03-2020 02:25PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

Right, and this has proven to not really discriminate based on the things you have listed, apart from the UK Italy is the closest example we have to a similar culture and population density.

It would be ignorant to think we will be grand because we are not in Italy.

Hopefully what the government has done will stop it coming to that but best prepare for the worst.

Nobody is saying "we'll be grand". By all means plan for a worst case scenario, but that doesn't mean you have the implement a worst case scenario strategy as your very first port of call.

Given that our case numbers are low, we still have enough time to weigh up our options ; the Govt could switch to a worse case scenario rapidly if they need to.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP