Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

sudzs · 10-03-2020 08:02AM

screamer wrote: »

Ibuprofen can be very problematic for asthma sufferers and cause attacks, just saying.
Cough suppressant if you have a phlegmy cough can make you sicker as the mucous builds up in your lungs...... and give you a chest infection.
so best advise is for us all to ask our pharmacists for advise based on our own medical history

Aspirin/ibuprofen not great if there's a history of stomach ulcers either. You're right, pharmacist is the best resource.

otnomart · 10-03-2020 08:03AM

Coronavirus in Germany: Health care system under pressure
"The spread of the new COVID-19 virus is straining Germany's complex health care system. Patients, doctors and officials told DW about their experiences in hospitals and on both ends of the emergency hotlines."
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-in-germany-health-care-system-under-pressure/a-52663510

morebabies · 10-03-2020 08:06AM

Sky News reports :

"Nearly 20% of confirmed cases in Italy have been fatal so far, making the fatality rate apparently much higher than in other parts of the world, where scientists have tentatively estimated it to be between 1-3%."

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-whole-of-italy-put-on-lockdown-11954097

Is this correct?

DrumSteve · 10-03-2020 08:10AM

morebabies wrote: »

Sky News reports :

"Nearly 20% of confirmed cases in Italy have been fatal so far, making the fatality rate apparently much higher than in other parts of the world, where scientists have tentatively estimated it to be between 1-3%."

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-whole-of-italy-put-on-lockdown-11954097

Is this correct?

I'd imagine so.

CFR is always much higher at the start.

DOCARCH · 10-03-2020 08:11AM

morebabies wrote: »

Sky News reports :

"Nearly 20% of confirmed cases in Italy have been fatal so far, making the fatality rate apparently much higher than in other parts of the world, where scientists have tentatively estimated it to be between 1-3%."

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-whole-of-italy-put-on-lockdown-11954097

Is this correct?

Does not seem too?

As of yesterday, 9,172 confirmed cases and 463 deaths. 5%.

ceadaoin. · 10-03-2020 08:17AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Does not seem too?

As of yesterday, 9,172 confirmed cases and 463 deaths. 5%.

Yeah, it even says that in the article so not sure why they then go on to say 20% fatality rate

Mortelaro · 10-03-2020 08:18AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Does not seem too?

As of yesterday, 9,172 confirmed cases and 463 deaths. 5%.

5% of 1.9 million though would be of itself an eye opening disaster

screamer · 10-03-2020 08:20AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yeah, it even says that in the article so not sure why they then go on to say 20% fatality rate

Could it be 20% of the Lombardy cases......

gl0Rob · 10-03-2020 08:21AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yeah, it even says that in the article so not sure why they then go on to say 20% fatality rate

I suspect they incorrectly divided the number of confirmed cases by the number of deaths and came up with 20%

titan18 · 10-03-2020 08:24AM

I know this is probably serious and all but people are getting way too precious on this. Like someone sneezes or coughs and it's burn them at the stake territory. People need to calm down a bit.

Graces7 · 10-03-2020 08:25AM

Mwengwe wrote: »

We underestimate old folks sometimes - they've lived through a lot of scary stuff in their time, and most of us can testify that despite being more vulnerable they tend to be less anxiety-ridden about health threats like this current one. I think when you get to a certain age you develop a certain 'whatever will be, will be' attitude. It's perfectly understandable - when you reach old age any number of things can take you, you know? Not to be blunt about it.

Disagreeing, as a near-octagenarian.

Life is even more precious than it was 20 years ago and we do not take risks or have a fatalistic attitude. We love life. Treasure it.

Avoid danger; stay safe

Yes we are less anxious as we take precautions in our stride.

Maybe ask "ALONE" or any of the old age charities about this for a more realistic image than you are portraying.

And we need YOU in all this; we need to stay home and be safe and to have provisions brought in. etc etc etc

I have excellent supply lines already as I am in permanent self isolation due to serious immune deficiency

But others need to have this reassurance.

Lord Trollington · 10-03-2020 08:26AM

Anyone know how many tests Ireland are carrying out daily ?

If we are only testing a small number, it stands to logic that there'll only be a small number of confirmed cases .

The big worry for me is that we are not testing or detecting enough. And this explodes with many cases and fatalities over a short space of time

screamer · 10-03-2020 08:28AM

titan18 wrote: »

I know this is probably serious and all but people are getting way too precious on this. Like someone sneezes or coughs and it's burn them at the stake territory. People need to calm down a bit.

People are terrified, that reaction is primordial, most of us will chose flight and run away from coughers or sneezers. It’s that very reaction which has ensured humans have survived through the ages.

Montage of Feck · 10-03-2020 08:29AM

You can make your own aspirin from the bark of willow trees and of course doc leaves are a great alternative to toilet paper.

Graces7 · 10-03-2020 08:30AM

MrsDoyl3 wrote: »

Should have outlined i wasn't looking for medical advice more so, am i foolish to keep my son from school or am i being to over protective

YOu are being a wise mother to keep your son home.

YFlyer · 10-03-2020 08:30AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Misery porn here.

I feel for you morons.

No need to.

NegativeCreep · 10-03-2020 08:32AM

I’ve a friend who returned from Italy a week and a half ago and has started showing symptoms. He called the hse and they just told him to self isolate for 2 weeks and that he won’t be getting tested unless his symptoms get more severe.
I wouldn’t be best friends with him or anything but I don’t think he’d lie about this.
This surely cannot be the stance of the hse? He’s symptomatic and returned from an infected region, he should be tested as a priority!

Volthar · 10-03-2020 08:33AM

screamer wrote: »

Ibuprofen can be very problematic for asthma sufferers and cause attacks, just saying.
Cough suppressant if you have a phlegmy cough can make you sicker as the mucous builds up in your lungs...... and give you a chest infection.
so best advise is for us all to ask our pharmacists for advise based on our own medical history

Ibuprofen is also more dangerous for kidneys.

screamer · 10-03-2020 08:35AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I’ve a friend who returned from Italy a week and a half ago and has started showing symptoms. He called the hse and they just told him to self isolate for 2 weeks and that he won’t be getting tested unless his symptoms get more severe.
I wouldn’t be best friends with him or anything but I don’t think he’d lie about this.
This surely cannot be the stance of the hse? He’s symptomatic and returned from an infected region, he should be tested as a priority!

Well if 80% of cases are mild, and tests/?resources are limited, I’m not surprised.
Even if he has it, what can they do for him anyways, with a mild case he’s as well off at home.

Darc19 · 10-03-2020 08:36AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Anyone know how many tests Ireland are carrying out daily ?

If we are only testing a small number, it stands to logic that there'll only be a small number of confirmed cases .

The big worry for me is that we are not testing or detecting enough. And this explodes with many cases and fatalities over a short space of time

The capicity is in the hundreds each day. - anyone who displays symptoms.

It can be increased if necessary.

Compare this to the US - the state of New Jersey had done just 37 tests up to Sunday.

YFlyer · 10-03-2020 08:36AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I’ve a friend who returned from Italy a week and a half ago and has started showing symptoms. He called the hse and they just told him to self isolate for 2 weeks and that he won’t be getting tested unless his symptoms get more severe.
I wouldn’t be best friends with him or anything but I don’t think he’d lie about this.
This surely cannot be the stance of the hse? He’s symptomatic and returned from an infected region, he should be tested as a priority!

The test will only verify if he caught the coronavirus or not. It won't heal him. If sick or feeling bad, self isolate and sleep it off.

Bob24 · 10-03-2020 08:36AM

titan18 wrote: »

I know this is probably serious and all but people are getting way too precious on this. Like someone sneezes or coughs and it's burn them at the stake territory. People need to calm down a bit.

Some people are. But part of the responsability is with our governments for failing to explain/recognise the situation clearly and giving an impression that they are reactive rather than proactive (we are starting to see studies showing that while being reactive - ie waiting for people to get sick and treating them - is OK for most epidemics, it is not OK in this case as the combination of rather high infectivity and rather high percentage of patients requiring hospital care will fairly quickly max out hospital capacities in all countries if propagation isn’t proactively and severely slowed down).

I think people are consciously or unconsciously starting to realise this, and this is make some of them over react in some cases.

NegativeCreep · 10-03-2020 08:36AM

screamer wrote: »

Well if 80% of cases are mild, and tests/?resources are limited, I’m not surprised.
Even if he has it, what can they do for him anyways, with a mild case he’s as well off at home.

It’s mild now. Who’s to say it won’t progress? I really hope it doesn’t

Funsterdelux · 10-03-2020 08:38AM

Montage of Feck wrote: »

You can make your own aspirin from the bark of willow trees and of course doc leaves are a great alternative to toilet paper.

The root of meadowsweet too is also a good natural source

titan18 · 10-03-2020 08:39AM

screamer wrote: »

People are terrified, that reaction is primordial, most of us will chose flight and run away from coughers or sneezers. It’s that very reaction which has ensured humans have survived through the ages.

Yes, but when people start shouting at me for sneezing, I'm done with it. My sinuses are ****, leave me alone.

screamer · 10-03-2020 08:39AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

It’s mild now. Who’s to say it won’t progress? I really hope it doesn’t

And if it does he contacts them and they’ll move to the next phase. We’re going to have to get used to this, with the majority of people having mild symptoms, like any treatment, the resources will be conserved for those most in need or unless/ until a mild case progresses. I’m sorry to say ( not aimed at your friend) but everyone won’t be able to be saved either.

LuckyLloyd · 10-03-2020 08:41AM

Bob24 wrote: »

Some people are. But part of the responsability is with our governments for failing to explain/recognise the situation clearly and giving an impression that they are reactive rather than proactive (we are starting to see studies showing that while being reactive - ie waiting for people to get sick and treating them - is OK for most epidemics, it is not OK in this case as the combination of infectivity and percentage of patients requiring hospital care will max out hospital capacities in all countries if propagation isn’t proactively and severely slowed down).

I think people are consciously or unconsciously starting to realise this, and this is make some of them over react in some cases.

Yeah, the death rate (while many many many times higher than the flu) isn’t the issue. Approximately 15% of patients end up needing hospital management and 5% need intensive care. It’s not about death rate, which is high. It’s not about you feeling young and strong, even though pneumonia is characterised as a “mild” symptom for this virus. It’s not about a philosophical argument about money making the world go round and having ‘to make the hard choices’.

It’s about your health system grinding to a halt if you allow this to spread freely. And that’s a very simple thing you cannot allow at any cost. Therefore we have to fight it. Whatever the economic cost.

Graces7 · 10-03-2020 08:41AM

vladmydad wrote: »

You know I actually thought of you today Grace. From interacting with you on the weather chat, Your in a great situation on your island, being so isolated. Provided you have plenty of supplies/ prescriptions etc. you’ll outlive us all lol

Thank you and yes! safe. I came out here because I am seriously autoimmune with the CFS/ME I have. So I was already in what is now called " self-isolation" and plan to remain so. My supply lines are impeccable and I have several weeks of meds and a lot of food in.

Still trying to work out how to get a large supply of Tesco 10 cent noodles as I am too far out for a delivery. !!!

Just now the ME is in full spate but with a snug bed and youtube and boards and my cats. I am fine.

All of you out there are the heroes and heroines. And not forgotten here believe me. Stay safe in any way you can.

screamer · 10-03-2020 08:42AM

titan18 wrote: »

Yes, but when people start shouting at me for sneezing, I'm done with it. My sinuses are ****, leave me alone.

Strangers don’t know and don’t trust others to know if they have sinuses, a cold or coronavirus.
With community transmission, it’s possible that anyone with symptoms has it.
It even happens in workplaces with people who know each other well, it’s self preservation. People aren’t against you, they’re just for themselves.

Doctors room ghost · 10-03-2020 08:43AM

Montage of Feck wrote: »

You can make your own aspirin from the bark of willow trees and of course doc leaves are a great alternative to toilet paper.

PANDEMIC.
Get your PANDEMIC.
Also HOME MADE ASPIRIN

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP