Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

MrsDoyl3 · 10-03-2020 01:25AM

Beasty wrote: »

Please do no ask for such advice. It's against site rules to ask for or offer any medical advice. Please discuss with your doctor

Should have outlined i wasn't looking for medical advice more so, am i foolish to keep my son from school or am i being to over protective

kowloon · 10-03-2020 01:26AM

I think we should all put a few quid together to buy a few grams of alertness powder for Beasty at this busy time.

fly_agaric · 10-03-2020 01:26AM

Strazdas wrote: »

What good comes of telling the nation's OAPs : 'Most of you will have the corona virus soon and many of you will die'?

That's pretty much what happened tonight. They automatically know they are the at risk group.

This is moving fast so may as well reply. However...as said I have not watched the programme (will probably look at it tomorrow). I was assuming Coveney or another politician was on it giving the current govt. position? Is that correct?
You say"pretty much" but I think I'd need to listen to it to know exactly how it was couched (definite vs a possible future if we do nothing). It is horrible, but would rather politicians tell the truth than lie/sugarcoat.

cnocbui · 10-03-2020 01:28AM

fritzelly wrote: »

I've been putting this together the past few days - lots of stuff still to add, but only got so much time each day
If anyone has suggestions or wants to help PM me

https://coronavirus-ireland.com/

(hope this is ok Beasty)

Great work and potentially very helpful. Might I suggest adding this self isolation guide?: https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-isolation-guidance

Cilldara_2000 · 10-03-2020 01:28AM

quokula wrote: »

It did feel a bit like when the BBC used to always put on the only pro-Brexit economist in the country as a counter to the sensible views of others in the name of balance.

Her and that McConkey guy, who's been milking his five minutes of fame for all it's worth lately, have some pretty extreme views, seemingly there to balance out the sensible advice of the virologist and GP on the panel.

Oops, apologies there. I was taking the pee out of a post on the previous page about the virologist’s opinion. I could’ve added a smiley.

But even so I would tend to agree. She seemed a bit “political”. As Coveney said, they have various experts advising them. Obviously there isn’t unanimity among all medical people on the correct approach.

skimpydoo · 10-03-2020 01:28AM

fritzelly wrote: »

I've been putting this together the past few days - lots of stuff still to add, but only got so much time each day
If anyone has suggestions or wants to help PM me

https://coronavirus-ireland.com/

(hope this is ok Beasty)

I will be doing two podcasts on remote working and how it can be done. One will be recorded and published later today and the second one will be published and recorded on Wednesday. I will send you their URL's so that you can add them to the website.

cnocbui · 10-03-2020 01:29AM

MrsDoyl3 wrote: »

Should have outlined i wasn't looking for medical advice more so, am i foolish to keep my son from school or am i being to over protective

Doing the right thing IMO.

thebaz · 10-03-2020 01:30AM

Some of us, may need another medical advice - Fear & anxiety is also dangerous :-

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/we-are-dealing-with-two-contagions-the-spread-of-microbes-and-the-spread-of-rumours-1.4190397

73bc61lyohr0mu · 10-03-2020 01:31AM

I haven't heard much about an outbreak in Africa. I heard about a case in Nigeria but that's it. Have they been lucky with cases or simply can't and don't have the equipment to test.

cnocbui · 10-03-2020 01:32AM

kowloon wrote: »

I think we should all put a few quid together to buy a few grams of alertness powder for Beasty at this busy time.

Perhaps he would prefer an espresso?

joe40 · 10-03-2020 01:32AM

Procasinator wrote: »

Possibly, but if we slow the rate down it means our hospitals will be under less pressure. This will mean less deaths, as the estimated 20% that have more severe forms, and in particular the 5% that could be critical, are more likely to get the treatments they need.

Considering the Irish health system has been hobbling along before Coronavirus even entered the picture, anything that can be done to have less active cases has to be considered.

Yeah, I agree with slowing it down, I just feel that the more extreme measures will be impossible to enforce over a long time period. There would be economic collapse and possibly crowd trouble.
I'm all for better hygiene, stopping large crowds such as parades and even banning flights from infected areas, but I would prefer things which could be done over an extended period of several months/years. I feel the virus isn't going away so things like school closures for several weeks just aren't sustainable and may be ineffective in the long run.

niallo27 · 10-03-2020 01:32AM

Meredith Wooden Stationery wrote: »

I haven't heard much about an outbreak in Africa. I heard about a case in Nigeria but that's it. Have they been lucky with cases or simply can't and don't have the equipment to test.

Or is it because of the heat down there. Australia seem to be doing ok and they are coming near to the end of their summer.

wakka12 · 10-03-2020 01:32AM

Meredith Wooden Stationery wrote: »

I haven't heard much about an outbreak in Africa. I heard about a case in Nigeria but that's it. Have they been lucky with cases or simply can't and don't have the equipment to test.

There have been a few at this stage, dozens in Algeria and Egypt for example. But yes, many african country's do not even have the means to test.

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 10-03-2020 01:36AM

kowloon wrote: »

I think we should all put a few quid together to buy a few grams of alertness powder for Beasty at this busy time.

The last thing anything needs right now is any snaois with a respiratory virus flying around the place.

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

This kind of thinking led me to develop severe OCD. I think it's going a bit too far, honestly. All the medical professionals have advised handwashing, avoiding crowds and basic good hygiene. I think worrying about what parts of clothes have touched objects is sliding into OCD territory, and what's you're there, it's hard to ever go back.

I'm sure people will snap back and tell me it's better that than dying of corona, but just saying, I had a good reason at the time to adopt my habits as well. Didn't stop it becoming very toxic and far more of a problem than the initial threat.

I have never done anything like this before. Being honest, I was a filthy cnnt before. This behaviour is absolutely only being used because this virus is in my community and I am immunocompromised myself and have three relatives who are too. I'm taking no chances with it because I'm not optimistic about how this is going to end. If it does end, I will go back to being a (slightly less) filthy cnnt.

10-03-2020 01:37AM

Eliana Uptight Caterpillar wrote: »

I was getting out of my car to go in home earlier after being out at the doctor and in the bank, thinking about all the clothing (jacket, shoes, pants) that had been in contact with objects and how I would disinfect them, remembering to take gloves off and bin them outside... and this really hit home. The worst thing is not knowing if you potentially have come into contact with it and had it infect you. In Cork it's a very real worry, not that you'd think it from the continuous party line being spewed out in the media.

John Hopkins said today over 97% of cases show symptoms on the eleventh day.
https://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-releases/2020/new-study-on-COVID-19-estimates-5-days-for-incubation-period.html

Actually says the median is 5.1 days. 97% have symptoms by the 11th day.

Call Me Jimmy · 10-03-2020 01:39AM

STB. wrote: »

10% is the figure in Italy.

The decisions having to be made by surgeons in Italy about who gets treated by ventilator is catastrophic.

Just quoting so more people read about what is happening right now.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 10-03-2020 01:41AM

wakka12 wrote: »

There have been a few at this stage, dozens in Algeria and Egypt for example. But yes, many african country's do not even have the means to test.

South Africa have done a similar number of tests to ourselves which is sad given the difference in population numbers.

kowloon · 10-03-2020 01:41AM

cnocbui wrote: »

Perhaps he would prefer an espresso?

It's long-established that Boards mods are paid in coke and hookers, we need to keep our traditions in these trying times.

tobefrank321 · 10-03-2020 01:43AM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Oops, apologies there. I was taking the pee out of a post on the previous page about the virologist’s opinion. I could’ve added a smiley.

But even so I would tend to agree. She seemed a bit “political”. As Coveney said, they have various experts advising them. Obviously there isn’t unanimity among all medical people on the correct approach.

Coveney said the same experts are advising all EU goverments. The EU is in absolute meltdown from this. These experts are sh*te to put it bluntly. Coveney continues to take advice from bogus experts. Hopeless the lot of them.

lainey_d_123 · 10-03-2020 01:43AM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Just quoting so more people read about what is happening right now.

Devastating.

I wonder now do the Chinese think they're so clever with their live animal markets which flout international regulations, now they have thousands of people's blood on their hands and disrupted people's lives all around the world.

I wonder now will they stop to think that there's a reason these regulations exist.

cnocbui · 10-03-2020 01:45AM

bekker wrote: »

In this case there is a much more relevant speciality, why not on panel?

My father once said, 'give a gifted amateur, over most professionals, any day.' Or words to that effect. Perhaps someone else on the panel was more intelligent than the 'specialist'.

Mellor · 10-03-2020 01:46AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Or is it because of the heat down there. Australia seem to be doing ok and they are coming near to the end of their summer.

Close to 100 cases. A few deaths. Certainly not grand or anything.
I'd imagine the low density if a bigger help than the temp. It hasn't been particular warm lately.

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 10-03-2020 01:46AM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Just quoting so more people read about what is happening right now.

I posted this earlier, I pm'd Beasty to ask him to pin it because... well, I explained why.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kr3at/status/1236792832247160844
Video in link.

Translation below:
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It paints a stark but very real picture of the complete societal breakdown in Italy right now, where people are no longer burying their dead since last week (same as Spain), there is no help whatsoever available for the many medical emergencies taking place and people are being left in their homes to die. This will be the price of our current complacency if we allow the government to continue with this absurd spreading technique and unilateral action needs to be taken by those who want to prevent the transmission of this virus.

I don't mean to sound alarmist but there's clearly more going on here than containment. The elderly are a big drain on society as far as the government is concerned, which is obviously why they are being so slow in their inaction. If this disease disproportionately impacted those in their 20s-60s, much more would be at stake for them.

Tony Holohan repeatedly references the health of the economy in his address earlier. The devastation to the economy caused by people having their working lives disrupted will bring down the country and they're trying to prolong the time where there is revenue, but being realistic and looking at other cases, it is clear the the best decisions are not being made and a paradigm shift in thinking needs to take place so that people wake up and see what may lie ahead in not too many months if the worst-case scenario they're anticipating is to play out.

cnocbui · 10-03-2020 01:47AM

kowloon wrote: »

It's long-established that Boards mods are paid in coke and hookers, we need to keep our traditions in these trying times.

I was unaware of this, in that case...

Cuckoo7 · 10-03-2020 01:47AM

I was just listening to some audios from nurses in two of the most affected hospitals in Spain and in one of the the woman was saying how it was explained to them that children couldn’t get it because of a protein called ac2.
Could anyone here explain a little bit?
She clearly had no knowledge about it at all, just mentioned how they were told during a meeting with the board hospital that was the reason children “couldn’t get it even if they wanted to”.

thebaz · 10-03-2020 01:48AM

with the Wuhan / China epidemic seamingly under control, I wonder and hope will they lend medical support to the under-siege hospitals in Eurpoe, specifically Italy right now - Doctors and equipment from Wuhan would be invaluable help in ther time of need.

ArchXStanton · 10-03-2020 01:48AM

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Devastating.

I wonder now do the Chinese think they're so clever with their live animal markets which flout international regulations, now they have thousands of people's blood on their hands and disrupted people's lives all around the world.

I wonder now will they stop to think that there's a reason these regulations exist.

Just read an interview with an English guy that lives in wutan, he got the virus before it was officially announced and was describing his ordeal, he was saying he regularly goes to that market and has never seen bat's, live koalas or anything like that

BorneTobyWilde · 10-03-2020 01:49AM

Shows the fear out there if nothing else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sukVEDGYi1I

bekker · 10-03-2020 01:50AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Coveney said the same experts are advising all EU goverments. The EU is in absolute meltdown from this. These experts are sh*te to put it bluntly. Coveney continues to take advice from bogus experts. Hopeless the lot of them.

Hopefully that is incorrect and they are obtaining a range of view from diverse sources, otherwise group think and confirmation bias could have serious effects.

Mwengwe · 10-03-2020 01:50AM

bekker wrote: »

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but what we don't want is to be zero'd by some dickhead who didn't bother to make some adjustments to lifestyle and take simple precautions simply because they couldn't be bothered and put measured warnings down to needless 'panic'.

OK but this really doesn't have much to do with the post I was replying to.
If anything it reinforces the fact that the authorities/experts should be putting the ****s up people.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP