Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

Runaways · 09-03-2020 01:41PM

British airways have pulled all flights from loads of Italian airports

Ipso · 09-03-2020 01:41PM

leavingirl wrote: »

Be careful what you wish for. This whole thing is being designed to bring in the greatest depression yet. You ain't seen nothing, yet.

Designed by who (didn’t mean the WHO ornDaltrey and the lads)?

namloc1980 · 09-03-2020 01:42PM

Runaways wrote: »

British airways have pulled all flights from loads of Italian airports

Ryanair will be filling the gaps no doubt!

DOCARCH · 09-03-2020 01:42PM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

But what of the 'lockdown' in Northern italy.
Some lockdown that.

It's only a theoretical one! No checkpoints (see BBC News last night) and nothing to stop people leaving!

That's the sort of lock down that will f**k Europe when comparing to China!

wakka12 · 09-03-2020 01:42PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Older age profile in Italy. The majority of deaths are 80+, and that’s by a massive margin.

South Korea also has an old age profile similar to Europe, the average age is 42 years which is considerably older than Ireland's population with an average age of 37.

The reason the death rate in SK is particularly low is because most of the cases are cult members of whom a majority are in their 20's.

tillyfilly · 09-03-2020 01:42PM

Reading this thread,there soon could be people wanting to catch this virus to get a few weeks of work!

MadYaker · 09-03-2020 01:43PM

niallo27 wrote: »

If most mild cases pass and are never tested because they are only mild and of the more serious cases which are tested 15% require hospital treatment doesn't that mean the overall risk of needing hospital treatment is greatly reduced like the korea numbers are portraying or am I crazy.

You're not crazy enough! Forget about logic and reason it's time for panic!!!

Many of the people who get this will never be tested.

Tacitus Kilgore · 09-03-2020 01:44PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I've just checked the Aer Lingus website and all flights from Milan to Dublin are Sold Out for several months to come. Does this mean the flights are effectively cancelled from Milan to Dublin?

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Impossible to know who or how many might be infected on it. Who they will spread it to. Where they are going. And who sits in the seat of a potentially infected person on the next flight. Or used the toilet on the flight after an infected person or in Dublin airport. Not to mention if they got in a taxi or on a bus after landing in Dublin.

I don't think I've ever come across a more negligent approach to a problem than Simon Harris/HSE/Leo Varadkar/Michael O'Leary's approach to this. None of them actually seem to give a sh*t.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

After a flight from Milan to Dublin airport, there are potentially numerous areas in Dublin airport which will be infected.

Passport checking queue and also the desk where passports are checked. Dublin airport toilets. Baggage areas.

Because of these flights, I'm predicting Dublin airport will become a hub for this virus spread.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Just checked.

There are 2 Ryanair flights tomorrow from Milan Bergamo to Dublin airport alone. For one flight there are 4 seats remaining at a certain price. For the second flight there is only 1 seat remaining at a certain price. Now I know that doesn't indicate how full the flights are but still there seems to be demand.

And that's just Milan to Dublin alone. There seems to be about 50 other Ryanair flights from Milan to different airports in Europe, all still in operation.

If you are looking for clues why this is spreading so fast from Italy to the rest of Europe, you don't have to look far.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I tried to post an image of this but was unable to. I'd advise anyone to go on the Ryanair website and enter Milan for origin and see the sh*tload of flights still in operation to all parts of Europe. There's 20 flights alone to Spain, and a number to Cork, Dublin and Knock. There's no way they would continue these flights if they were loss making or half empty.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Checking Milan to Dublin flights last week, it seemed Ryanair had one flight a day from Milan to Dublin. Now it seems they have 2 flights a day.

Are they actually laying on extra flights to cater for demand?

Looking at the prices of tickets also, it seems demand is high.

What the hell is going on? Where is our government to step in?

Slow down sir, you're going to give yourself skin failure.

Knex* · 09-03-2020 01:45PM

marno21 wrote: »

Interesting to note Italy and South Korea

Both have similar numbers of confirmed cases: 7,478 in South Korea and 7,375 in Italy.

However, 51 deaths in South Korea (0.6%) and 366 in Italy (5%). 622 recoveries in Italy and 166 in South Korea.

Given both have quite good health systems, I would be suspecting that Italy has a large number of non-recorded cases, frighteningly so. If Italy had a 1% death rate from all cases, it would mean there are ~37,000 cases in Italy at the minute.

It shows how South Korea's approach of testing and containing rather than leaving unconfirmed carriers roam free is. South Korea's daily new cases rate seems to be arresting whereas Italy's is skyrocketing.

And one thing that seems to be regularly forgotten is that the people getting infected today will be confirmed cases in 7-14 days time. So today's reported cases are actually people who got infected at the end of February/start of March. Therefore, being reactive here is fruitless, you are at best 7-14 days behind.

To put this in context, 14 days ago Ireland had 0 cases. At the same time, there was people getting infected in the country. Hence why holding the parades is absolutely daft. Having congregations of people who are unknowingly transmitting the virus.

I'm pretty sure South Korea is closer to the actual mortality rate, yes.

SK have caught many who are asymptotic in order to stop the spread, but in Europe we still seem to be only testing anyone exhibiting symptoms.

In my mind, it's far more likely, looking at South Korea and even the cruise ship, Diamond Princess, that the death ratio is in and around 1% ratio and that we have a vast amount of undiagnosed cases wandering around.

I know Italy's numbers are inflated by their average age and the fact that it has gotten into hospitals with people with pre-existing issues, but that can still only account for so much. An increase of over 4% mortality rate seems unlikely, in my admittedly ignorant viewpoint.

09-03-2020 01:45PM

Closing the schools seems like a no brainer to me. I mean, there is not too long left this term anyways and i'm sure they'll survive / catch up. Obviously exam years would have to be considered separately.

Employers should also really be encouraging people to work from home were possible. This should already be happening with the amount of traffic each morning but especially now with a virus going around.

Those 2 steps alone would really help us to deal with this thing.

Sigma101 · 09-03-2020 01:46PM

marno21 wrote: »

Interesting to note Italy and South Korea

Both have similar numbers of confirmed cases: 7,478 in South Korea and 7,375 in Italy.

However, 51 deaths in South Korea (0.6%) and 366 in Italy (5%). 622 recoveries in Italy and 166 in South Korea.

Given both have quite good health systems, I would be suspecting that Italy has a large number of non-recorded cases, frighteningly so. If Italy had a 1% death rate from all cases, it would mean there are ~37,000 cases in Italy at the minute.

It shows how South Korea's approach of testing and containing rather than leaving unconfirmed carriers roam free is. South Korea's daily new cases rate seems to be arresting whereas Italy's is skyrocketing.

And one thing that seems to be regularly forgotten is that the people getting infected today will be confirmed cases in 7-14 days time. So today's reported cases are actually people who got infected at the end of February/start of March. Therefore, being reactive here is fruitless, you are at best 7-14 days behind.

To put this in context, 14 days ago Ireland had 0 cases. At the same time, there was people getting infected in the country. Hence why holding the parades is absolutely daft. Having congregations of people who are unknowingly transmitting the virus.

Differences in fatality rates may also be explained by differences in how deaths are recorded and what they're attributed to - there's no international standard. For instance Germany has attributed no deaths to the virus - which just isn't credible at this stage.

cnocbui · 09-03-2020 01:46PM

gozunda wrote: »

Let's look at personal taxation in detail

According to the Irish Tax Institute

In Ireland.

On Health spending

The 2020 budget saw an increase of €1,006m (6.3%) on 2019 funding - bringing the Health Service Executive budget to a record 17.4 billion

It is estimated that Pay rises and pension payments, will eat up close to €400 million of the sum

If we have a shortfall being spent on actual health care - it is not attributable to actual lack of funding ...

If you take total tax revenues, subtract the amount from corporate tax, you have the amount coughed up by us. If you then divide that by the population, we are one of the most heavily taxed peoples in the OECD per capita.

Looking at income tax alone is very misleading. If you have 50% income tax, then you go and spend what's left, 23% of that goes in VAT, so the government is taking 62% of your euro, Actually more, because there are additional levies on all forms of insurance and your electricity bill, not to mention that out of that 38% the government so kindly left you, you also have to pay property tax and car registration. We are not so much taxed in this country as bled dry.

Saying we aren't heavily taxed on a GDP basis is a total distortion because our GDP is vastly inflated and out of whack with norms because of the earnings of US multinationals. GDP numbers grossly misrepresent the per capita taxation.

Bob24 · 09-03-2020 01:46PM

Bob24 wrote: »

4 French MPs (out of 577) are now confirmed to have the virus, as per Le Figaro.

Wondering if they tested all of them as a matter of national security. That is something affected countries probably have done or should do ... we don’t want epidemics in national parliaments during a crisis period.

And now a fifth confirmed case amongst French MPs.

I actually think this will get France to ramp-up containment. It shouldn’t be that way but once the ones making decisions and their families are impacted they start to think differently.

Ipso · 09-03-2020 01:46PM

Has the source/cause of the Italian cluster been identified?

tobefrank321 · 09-03-2020 01:47PM

Ryanair with their regular flights to and from the Northern Italy red zone have managed to obliterate both the containment and delay phases in Europe almost single handily. Research and mitigate will be largely pointless because of this. Hope yer proud lads.

DOCARCH · 09-03-2020 01:47PM

Ipso wrote: »

Has the source/cause of the Italian cluster been identified?

Yes....and he's on a flight to Dublin as we speak!

Hamsterchops · 09-03-2020 01:47PM

Ipso wrote: »

Has the source/cause of the Italian cluster been identified?

Yeah, it's the Italian/Milan fashion industry, with cheap Chinese labour brought in....

ITman88 · 09-03-2020 01:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Closing the schools seems like a no brainer to me. I mean, there is not too long left this term anyways and i'm sure they'll survive / catch up. Obviously exam years would have to be considered separately.

Employers should also really be encouraging people to work from home were possible. This should already be happening with the amount of traffic each morning but especially now with a virus going around.

Those 2 steps alone would really help us to deal with this thing.

It’s not a no brainier, the kids aren’t at risk from this. It’s a killer of the elderly. They should isolate.

bb12 · 09-03-2020 01:48PM

Mr.S wrote: »

Soap and warm water is just as effective.

i'm well aware of that. but it's not the answer to the question i asked.

sanitizer much better to have when out and about.

sp does anyone know where it is manufactured and by whom?

Hodors Appletart · 09-03-2020 01:48PM

leavingirl wrote: »

Be careful what you wish for. This whole thing is being designed to bring in the greatest depression yet. You ain't seen nothing, yet.

wtf
that is some serious tinfoil hattery

wakka12 · 09-03-2020 01:48PM

Bob24 wrote: »

And now a fifth confirmed case amongst French MPs.

I actually think this will get France to ramp-up containment. It shouldn’t be that way but once the ones making decisions and their families are impacted they start to think differently.

Odd how it seems to be getting into government buildings a lot
Ted Cruz in self isolation in the US too apparnetly was in contact with an infected person

Miike · 09-03-2020 01:49PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0309/1121035-cabinet-virus-committee/

I don't normally care for bashing politicians.

Minister for Health Simon Harris has said there is a moderate-to-high risk that Ireland will follow a pattern seen in other EU countries in regard to the Covid-19 outbreak such as Italy, France and Germany.

You gormless little troglodyte from Wicklow. I wonder why that is? What did we do different? Nothing? Even less than nothing?

Start by cutting St. Patrick's Day Parades. How it has gone on this far without cancelling parades blows my brain wide open :eek:

Xertz · 09-03-2020 01:49PM

On the schools thing, closing earlier years of primary school would make some sense to me as 4 to 7 year olds are basically bug spreading units with no ability to maintain hygiene.

New Home · 09-03-2020 01:49PM

Ipso wrote: »

Has the source/cause of the Italian cluster been identified?

Yes, it was a person from Munich.

Tootsie_1 · 09-03-2020 01:49PM

ITman88 wrote: »

It’s not a no brainier, the kids aren’t at risk from this. It’s a killer of the elderly. They should isolate.

The kids will spread it !

industry accountant · 09-03-2020 01:50PM

ITman88 wrote: »

It’s not a no brainier, the kids aren’t at risk from this. It’s a killer of the elderly. They should isolate.

Yeh and what about the children carrying it back home to where the at risk and elderly may be?
Schools are like petri dishes at the best of times.

tobefrank321 · 09-03-2020 01:50PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Slow down sir, you're going to give yourself skin failure.

Very important to highlight this as our government doesn't appear to give a sh*t. You're probably not in the vulnerable category so you'll be alright.

Funsterdelux · 09-03-2020 01:50PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Yes....and he's on a flight to Dublin as we speak!

We have a visual

Tootsie_1 · 09-03-2020 01:50PM

bb12 wrote: »

i'm well aware of that. but it's not the answer to the question i asked.

sanitizer much better to have when out and about.

sp does anyone know where it is manufactured and by whom?

I just bought Isopropyl alcohol online to make my own if needs be , off amazon, higher the percentage the better. You wont get ready made any time soon.

Hamsterchops · 09-03-2020 01:51PM

Soap does the job!

If you are by yourself you can use a bar of soap, if you share, then liquid soap from a dispenser is good + it's cheap as chips!

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP