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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • #3032
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Overall critical/serious cases just hovering over 13% now.

    Down from 18% not that long ago.

    As more "mild" cases are diagnosed the denominator will increase.
    That said critial care will not cope.


  • #3033
    Turquoise Hexagon Sun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭Turquoise Hexagon Sun


    This might be a good thread to highlight the amount of people I see every week that cough and don't put their hand or inner elbow over their mouths when coughing.

    This relates to influenza but while people's awareness is a little more heightened about the spread of viruses, I'll leave this here.
    As many as 20,000 viruses are expelled in an average cough, which may be sufficient to infect many people — particularly those who are not vaccinated.

    Julian Tang, a consultant at Singapore’s National University Hospital’s Division of Microbiology, said as many as 3,000 tiny droplets are produced in a standard cough.

    Using previous research on influenza viral loads in nasal secretions, and assuming that each coughed airborne droplet measures between 1 to 5 micrometers in diameter, that adds up to many, many viruses in a single cough.

    A micrometer, or micron, is one millionth of a meter, or one thousandth of a millimeter.

    “Based on this research and assuming about 3,000 droplets are produced per cough, this range of influenza viruses produced per cough is about 195 to 19,500,” Tang told Reuters.

    He added that this figure of 3,000 droplets refers to those that remain suspended in the air for considerable periods — long enough to infect people.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-cough/whats-in-a-cough-20000-viruses-idUSTRE54B16F20090512?sp=true


  • #3034
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Cw85 wrote: »
    The outbreak happened months ago, we have 22 cases, people talking bull saying there's more that this etc etc numbers have gone up very slow in Ireland compared to other countries, you think the government would be telling us to get on with things if it was more serious here? Too many tin foil hats going around you'd swear it was the end of the world

    Please don't respond folks


  • #3035
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Ipso wrote: »
    Computer science guys can diagnose, now?

    Apparently but he/she hasnt shown any proof.


  • #3036
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,401 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Cw85 wrote: »
    The outbreak happened months ago, we have 22 cases, people talking bull saying there's more that this etc etc numbers have gone up very slow in Ireland compared to other countries, you think the government would be telling us to get on with things if it was more serious here? Too many tin foil hats going around you'd swear it was the end of the world

    Do you remember the IMF bailout that we weren't requesting until we were, even after the IMF had arrived? Well the virus has already arrived here...

    Minister for Health Simon Harris has said there is a moderate-to-high risk that Ireland will follow a pattern seen in other EU countries in regard to the Covid-19 outbreak such as Italy, France and Germany.

    Was the Minister wearing a tin foil hat?

    Was the head of the HSE wearing a tin foil hat when he said he couldn't dispute models showing possible scenarios with infections of 1.9 million?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #3037
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Cw85 wrote: »
    The outbreak happened months ago, we have 22 cases, people talking bull saying there's more that this etc etc numbers have gone up very slow in Ireland compared to other countries, you think the government would be telling us to get on with things if it was more serious here? Too many tin foil hats going around you'd swear it was the end of the world

    You're in for a massive shock

    Good luck to you


  • #3038
    Cw85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Cw85


    21/22 cases now, prob 24/25 will be reported tonight, it's not a major event here, 99% of cases were from travel from North Italy, 2 cases of community transmission is very very minimal


  • #3039
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,609 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    catrat12 wrote: »
    Just a quick one about the school I work in I reckon at least 100 kids are going away over the weekend and paddies yet no advice or letter will be sent to parents
    places include Disney land skiing in France and Austria I’m appalled and quite afraid really but what can I do I need to work

    I'm appalled too.

    Who has the money to be going to Disneyland or Skiing in March for St Patricks Day?


  • #3040
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    1641 wrote: »
    Using GDP in ireland to measure or compare tax takes is highly distorting. It is well recognised that our GDP figure is highly distorted by large multinationals having their accounting headquarters here for european or worldwide business here, while conducting little if the business here. It is why the CSO, the ESRI and other bodies prefer GNI : https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-nie/nie2017/mgni/


    A more realistic comparative measure regarding health expenditure is per capita spend. On this, Ireland's €4,706 per head of population is 1/3 above the OECD average and the 7th highest in the 36 nation OECD (2018 figures). Even adjusting this to reflect differences in purchasing power/cost of living, we were still well above average. And this is in the context of us not having one of the oldest demographics, which would normally increase health costs.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/state-among-highest-spenders-on-health-per-person-in-oecd-1.3547256

    Agreed. Per capita spending is also a useful measure. But it could also be compared to what's available. So we're above the OECD average per capita but not by the same factor that we are above the OECD average in GNI ($66,343 here, $43,093 OECD average).

    So we're 123% of OECD per capita spending on health but we're at 154% GNI per capita.

    Source for figures: https://data.oecd.org/


  • #3041
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,002 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Dozens evacuate North Korea on mystery flight as Germany, France close missions

    You don't suppose.....?


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  • #3042
    Volthar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Volthar


    Cw85 wrote: »
    The outbreak happened months ago, we have 22 cases, people talking bull saying there's more that this etc etc numbers have gone up very slow in Ireland compared to other countries, you think the government would be telling us to get on with things if it was more serious here? Too many tin foil hats going around you'd swear it was the end of the world

    It is scary as you can't see it and can't really protect yourself. Think of vulnerable people, cancer patients, diabetics and so on. You sound like antivaxer


  • #3043
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,101 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Our office in Limerick - 23 full time staff, about 120 part time, all staff that can feasibly work from home are advised to now.


  • #3044
    KWAG2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭KWAG2019


    catrat12 wrote: »
    Just a quick one about the school I work in I reckon at least 100 kids are going away over the weekend and paddies yet no advice or letter will be sent to parents
    places include Disney land skiing in France and Austria I’m appalled and quite afraid really but what can I do I need to work

    Irresponsible because inevitably there are immune compromised children and perhaps adults in that workplace. In another sense not surprising given the callousness and contempt visible in elements of Irish society since the “recovery”.


  • #3045
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    LuckyLloyd wrote:
    NVRL not open Sundays. Cases reported yesterday were confirmed before yesterday. Backlog of tests today and tomorrow will show a spike. If they don’t you’ll then have your good news story.
    Who says its not open Sundays. That's not true.


  • #3046
    bb12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    Ipso wrote: »
    Computer science guys can diagnose, now?

    there are computer science gals as well you know...


  • #3047
    Cw85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Cw85


    Volthar wrote: »
    It is scary as you can't see it and can't really protect yourself. Think of vulnerable people, cancer patients, diabetics and so on. You sound like antivaxer

    Certainly not an anti-vaxer, obviously old and sick people are at a higher risk with the virus, but again the chances of getting it are so minimal there shouldnt be as much worry going around as there is. A lot of old folks homes and hospitals have stopped visitors so the risk is lower now again


  • #3048
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Cw85 wrote: »
    21/22 cases now, prob 24/25 will be reported tonight, it's not a major event here, 99% of cases were from travel from North Italy, 2 cases of community transmission is very very minimal

    As I said folks don't bother responding.


  • #3049
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Cw85 wrote: »
    21/22 cases now, prob 24/25 will be reported tonight, it's not a major event here, 99% of cases were from travel from North Italy, 2 cases of community transmission is very very minimal

    2 cases out of 21 means 10% are from community transmission at this point.

    Not sure which is worse, the doomsday preppers or the "nothing to see here" crowd.


  • #3050
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    South Korean new cases down to 165 - this is more good news, and yet not reported amidst the panic headlines.

    I believe the statistics from South Korea will be the most acccurate as they are doing most testing.
    I admit that the West will not be able to set the standards of South Korea, for various social, economic and infrastructure reasons.

    But surely we should have some balance in media reports instead of drip feed panic inducing headlines.


  • #3051
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Ryanair flight from Milan due to land in Dublin in about 20 mins.

    Impossible to know who or how many might be infected on it. Who they will spread it to. Where they are going. And who sits in the seat of a potentially infected person on the next flight. Or used the toilet on the flight after an infected person or in Dublin airport. Not to mention if they got in a taxi or on a bus after landing in Dublin.

    I don't think I've ever come across a more negligent approach to a problem than Simon Harris/HSE/Leo Varadkar/Michael O'Leary's approach to this. None of them actually seem to give a sh*t.


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  • #3052
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    Agreed. Per capita spending is also a useful measure. But it could also be compared to what's available. So we're above the OECD average per capita but not by the same factor that we are above the OECD average in GNI ($66,343 here, $43,093 OECD average).

    So we're 123% of OECD per capita spending on health but we're at 154% GNI per capita.

    Source for figures: https://data.oecd.org/

    No we are not, those are older flawed figures usingPPP, ( ie the figure is inflated because things are cheaper in Ireland:rolleyes:) 4706X4.9 million is € 23 billion

    Public spending is 16 billion, about average
    https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/social-issues-migration-health/ireland-country-health-profile-2019_2393fd0a-en#page9


  • #3053
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    callaway92 wrote: »
    That's a bit of an unfair response. I'm looking for a factual answer if possible.

    The legal advice forum would be better. I assume she can’t work from home.


  • #3054
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    There's no DFA or HSE advice about London being a risk area - it might change between now and then so at the moment I would say she should challenge that as disproportionate and unwarranted.

    I agree. If she was going to a high risk area, then it might hold some sway, but its still onerous to impose a periond self-isolation on someone arbitrarily, and without pay The fact she is soon to leave might be a factor in that they have no loyalty to them, but thsts irrlevant, fairness and equality still applies while she is an employee. I would challenge this stipulation on the basis it has no basis and discriminates on someobne taking leave to travel to London while not applying to someone that went to London over a weekend.

    Seems more hysteria and paranoia led than any robust policy


  • #3055
    Cw85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Cw85


    amadangomor wrote: »
    As I said folks don't bother responding.


    Because I'm being real about the whole thing and not trying to scare people to death like a lot of people here?


  • #3056
    industry accountant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭industry accountant


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Advising people of regular hand washing techniques is well and good but people don't know when to do it.

    So many examples:
    Going in and out from buildings - work, restaurants, whatever. Wash hands
    Coming home from coming in from public - the first thing people should do is wash hands.



    This virus is never going to be contained any more. Theres community transmissions. Some people will do their part with the guidelines but others will be reckless and careless.

    I was in my local Tesco yesterday. Saw a man in the frozen food section sneezed into his hand, used his fingers to wipe his nose, rested his hand on the lip of the fridge before reaching down and picking up a box of something. Then he decided he didn't want it and put it back, disgusting behaviour at the best of times, but just plain ignorant given the current situation.

    There are idiots like this all over.


  • #3057
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    bb12 wrote: »
    there are computer science gals as well you know...

    There are computer science gender neutral as well you know...


  • #3058
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    All I would say is that there are various figures plucked when people want to illustrate Ireland having too high or two low health spend.

    We could do with some objective analysis by the EU.

    I’m also sometimes dubious about what health spend is and what the HSE spends as a lot of non health spending for social care and various emergency allowances and so on that should be welfare spending seem to route through the HSE here.

    Just as minor illustration it also provides services that aren’t anything to do with health like wedding registration and all sorts of legacy random things.

    So I’m just always a bit concerned that I’m looking at figures that really are exclusively health spending.


  • #3059
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    I'm fit to blow here at work, there are 3 "drama queens" of colleagues (the male one is the worst) trying to outdo one another with hearsay and gossip, of course all three have been in contact with people who know someone who has COVID19. Arms and legs are being added on to everything. I left a roar at them to find somewhere else to continue their clusterf*ck.


  • #3060
    05eaftqbrs9jlh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    Cw85 gr8 b8 m8, I r8 8/8 no db8. 58 posts, noice.

    I would recommend other posters don't engage with this person, clearly they don't get much attention in the real world, that they have to pretend they're this oblivious.


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  • #3061
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    thebaz wrote: »
    South Korean news cases down to 165 - this is more good news, and yet not reported amidst the panic headlines.

    I believe the statistics from South Korea will be the most acccurate as they are doing most testing.
    I admit that the West will not be able to set the standards of South Korea, for various social, economic and infrastructure reasons.

    But surely we should have some balance in media reports instead of drip feed panic inducing headlines.

    Great but have you seen what's happening in Italy, now France and Spain.


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