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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • #2972
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,385 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Maybe it's time to dip into the billions Apple owe us, or start taxing banks...


    Oddly, this is the kind of thing people come up with because they think it won't affect them, they never seem to mention paying for water or having a proper property tax as these other countries have.


  • #2973
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭1641


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    The total tax take in Ireland relative to GDP is well behind almost all of the rest of the OECD: https://data.oecd.org/tax/tax-revenue.htm. Only Chile and Mexico are consistently behind us. France 46.09%, Denmark 44.86% and Belgium 44.85% are the top three there on latest available data. We're at 22.32%.The OECD average is 34.26%.

    We're well behind on health spending too: https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm. 7.095% of GDP vs OECD average of 8.795%. In context, our GDP was $411bn in 2019: https://data.oecd.org/gdp/gross-domestic-product-gdp.htm. The difference in real terms is $7bn. Had we spent that amount extra on health services over the last number of years, we might well have the same number of beds per capita as Germany, have a proper home and community care set up in place and be in a far better position to tackle this crisis.


    Using GDP in ireland to measure or compare tax takes is highly distorting. It is well recognised that our GDP figure is highly distorted by large multinationals having their accounting headquarters here for european or worldwide business here, while conducting little if the business here. It is why the CSO, the ESRI and other bodies prefer GNI : https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-nie/nie2017/mgni/


    A more realistic comparative measure regarding health expenditure is per capita spend. On this, Ireland's €4,706 per head of population is 1/3 above the OECD average and the 7th highest in the 36 nation OECD (2018 figures). Even adjusting this to reflect differences in purchasing power/cost of living, we were still well above average. And this is in the context of us not having one of the oldest demographics, which would normally increase health costs.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/state-among-highest-spenders-on-health-per-person-in-oecd-1.3547256


  • #2974
    wakka12
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Tell him to stop panic mongering. What do they know any way. You should divide the number of cases by our population to impress them with your abilities :D

    Its not his choice, he is waiting on advice from the college


  • #2975
    Beanybabog
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    South Korea’s numbers going down daily.

    Edit new cases i mean.


  • #2976
    kenmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭kenmc


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    the Government should be printing ration cards.

    Is the humongous printer up and running yet, or still in storage?


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  • #2977
    odyssey06
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    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I've just checked the Aer Lingus website and all flights from Milan to Dublin are Sold Out for several months to come. Does this mean the flights are effectively cancelled from Milan to Dublin?

    Only for Aer Lingus... Ryanair still flying.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #2978
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Beanybabog wrote: »
    South Korea’s numbers going down daily.

    Edit new cases i mean.

    Yes and without any of the crazy Chinese measures as far as I'm aware which is encouraging


  • #2979
    Cw85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Cw85


    We have a population of circa 4.9 million here in Ireland, only 22 people have the virus. People need to use a bit of cop on here, chances of getting it are very very slim. Media playing it up, and people not listening to the HSE who have more info on this than we do and still recommend getting on with our lives and reiterating that there is no need to cancel public gatherings. Live your lives people, life is too short to be worrying about something that is only a very small possibility.


  • #2980
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I've just checked the Aer Lingus website and all flights from Milan to Dublin are Sold Out for several months to come. Does this mean the flights are effectively cancelled from Milan to Dublin?

    Yup, had been until the 9th of April before the weekend and now pushed out again.

    They won't sell seats as they don't know when they'll be in a position to run a full service.

    But yes EI cancelled flights to Milan out of Dub today


  • #2981
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    Boggles wrote: »
    He isn't.

    Schools will definitely be closed.

    When is the only question, next week wouldn't be a bad guess.

    Who will look after the children of nurses other frontlne health staff?


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  • #2982
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Only for Aer Lingus... Ryanair still flying.

    Crazy if they are. Money comes first I guess.


  • #2983
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The rest of the six nations is postponed. Won't somebody please think of the rugby fans.


  • #2984
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Utter Consternation wrote: »
    Derp de derp de derp

    Screen-Shot-2014-02-01-at-19.29.33.jpg

    And then you wonder why our health services are in sh*te....


  • #2985
    Beanybabog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Yes and without any of the crazy Chinese measures as far as I'm aware which is encouraging

    Maybe not “crazy” measures locking people into their homes but testing 1000s, drive through testing centres, spraying streets, government covering costs. A lot more than any one else has done it seems


  • #2986
    odyssey06
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    Cw85 wrote: »
    We have a population of circa 4.9 million here in Ireland, only 22 people have the virus. People need to use a bit of cop on here, chances of getting it are very very slim. Media playing it up, and people not listening to the HSE who have more info on this than we do and still recommend getting on with our lives and reiterating that there is no need to cancel public gatherings. Live your lives people, life is too short to be worrying about something that is only a very small possibility.

    22 is just the tip of the iceberg. Community transmission is already occurring, as 3 cases the source of the infection is unknown.

    Minister for Health Simon Harris has said there is a moderate-to-high risk that Ireland will follow a pattern seen in other EU countries in regard to the Covid-19 outbreak such as Italy, France and Germany.

    What do the HSE say will be the expected number of reported cases over the next 3 months?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #2987
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭1641


    Chiparus wrote: »
    Who will look after the children of nurses other frontlne health staff?


    "Neo-liberals".


  • #2988
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    That’s €3625 per capita based on pop of 4.8 million.

    Compares with 2017 figures in the U.K. of £2,989 / €3423 per capita in the UK for the NHS.

    It’s not wildly out of line, although we have another chunk of private spending too.

    I would speculate that our population went up too, if the housing crisis is anything to go by and we’ve serious legacy issues from long term lack of investment that tends to push our costs up due to short term, stop gap setups like agency staff, outsourcing to private sector where there is lack of supply of certain long waiting list procedures etc etc etc

    That’s also drastically impacted by the aftermath of 2008 and the troika period.

    I certainly wouldn’t look at Irish health spending as % GDP though as our GDP is absolutely bonkers. That being said, some of those distortions also apply to the U.K. due to size of financial sector and odd businesses like movement of gold etc.

    € or $ per capita spends in similar income economies is often a far more realistic comparison.


  • #2989
    namloc1980
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    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Crazy if they are. Money comes first I guess.

    Ryanair flight from Milan due to land in Dublin in about 20 mins.


  • #2990
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,101 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Probably similar questions been asked a million times, but Girlfiend and her Sister had a personal trip over to London booked (before the Coronavirus became a thing) for first weekend of April.

    Work are saying now if she goes she'll have to take two weeks unpaid leave off after.

    Are they within their remit to do this? Bearing in mind if she cancels now she'll be out for pocket for flights, accommodation and theater tickets.

    Small crux in it is that she's currently on her notice period at the moment (finishing up the end of April)

    Thank you


  • #2991
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Cw85 wrote: »
    We have a population of circa 4.9 million here in Ireland, only 22 people have the virus. People need to use a bit of cop on here, chances of getting it are very very slim. Media playing it up, and people not listening to the HSE who have more info on this than we do and still recommend getting on with our lives and reiterating that there is no need to cancel public gatherings. Live your lives people, life is too short to be worrying about something that is only a very small possibility.

    Life is the longest thing you ll do.

    Life is short but why should we shorten it for the most vunerable?


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  • #2992
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Yes and without any of the crazy Chinese measures as far as I'm aware which is encouraging

    They are testing widely and this is the reason they are getting it under control. We are only testing people coming from Italy and with symptoms or anyone in contact with them and that have symptoms! Incredibly narrow criteria here and will come back to bite us


  • #2993
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,419 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Chiparus wrote: »
    Who will look after the children of nurses other frontlne health staff?

    I'll do it. :D

    I've no idea, but the schools will 100% close. When is the only question, trying to get it closer to the Easter Holidays looks like the MO at the moment.


  • #2994
    Cw85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Cw85


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    22 is just the tip of the iceberg. Community transmission is already occurring, as 3 cases the source of the infection is unknown.

    Minister for Health Simon Harris has said there is a moderate-to-high risk that Ireland will follow a pattern seen in other EU countries in regard to the Covid-19 outbreak such as Italy, France and Germany.

    What do the HSE say will be the expected number of reported cases over the next 3 months?

    The HSE haven't given possible numbers over the next three months, that was done by an outside source. Look at the numbers 22 out of 4.9 million, says it all.


  • #2995
    Boggles
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    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Life is the longest thing you ll do.

    You obviously haven't watched the Irish Man.


  • #2996
    Rex Small Winter
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Rex Small Winter


    Cw85 wrote: »
    We have a population of circa 4.9 million here in Ireland, only 22 people have the virus. People need to use a bit of cop on here, chances of getting it are very very slim. Media playing it up, and people not listening to the HSE who have more info on this than we do and still recommend getting on with our lives and reiterating that there is no need to cancel public gatherings. Live your lives people, life is too short to be worrying about something that is only a very small possibility.

    22 is the confirmed number of cases. Actual number is naturally higher as community transmission is underway.


  • #2997
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    callaway92 wrote: »
    Probably similar questions been asked a million times, but Girlfiend and her Sister had a personal trip over to London booked (before the Coronavirus became a thing) for first weekend of April.

    Work are saying now if she goes she'll have to take two weeks unpaid leave off after.

    Are they within their remit to do this? Bearing in mind if she cancels now she'll be out for pocks for flights, accommodation and theater tickets.

    Small crux in it is that she's currently on her notice period at the moment (finishing up the end of April)

    Thank you

    Which is worse?

    2 weeks no pay and being cooked up for it or taking the hit of not going?


  • #2998
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    I wonder do the 'there are only 22 cases in Ireland' people just assume that the virus waits for permission from the HSE to go infecting people?


  • #2999
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Which is worse?

    2 weeks no pay and being cooked up for it or taking the hit of not going?

    I dunno, trapped in a house with two children under the age of three. I might take my chances with the virus :D

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #3000
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,398 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    callaway92 wrote: »
    Probably similar questions been asked a million times, but Girlfiend and her Sister had a personal trip over to London booked (before the Coronavirus became a thing) for first weekend of April.
    Work are saying now if she goes she'll have to take two weeks unpaid leave off after.
    Are they within their remit to do this? Bearing in mind if she cancels now she'll be out for pocket for flights, accommodation and theater tickets.
    Small crux in it is that she's currently on her notice period at the moment (finishing up the end of April)
    Thank you

    There's no DFA or HSE advice about London being a risk area - it might change between now and then so at the moment I would say she should challenge that as disproportionate and unwarranted.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #3001
    Cw85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Cw85


    Deleted User wrote: »
    22 is the confirmed number of cases. Actual number is naturally higher as community transmission is underway.

    That's Bull. 22 is the actual number as reported by the HSE. This is the scare mongering I'm talking about, saying numbers are higher when you have no proof to back it up. there's factual proof 22 people have it, end of.


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