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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • #2222
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    nocoverart wrote: »
    Don’t want to come across as a smart ass but then its not really scaremongering

    I think that what is being referred to as scaremongering is indeed not, it is officials trying to get the population ready. The more conditioned we are to the idea that large numbers of people will get the virus, the less panic you might get when it occurs - I don’t personally think 1.9m will get it in 3 weeks and I’ve been in these threads since the beginning and bought extra in my shops since January. But let’s say 50,000 people get it. That number seems rather large, but small in comparison to 1.9m. Do a bit of mental conditioning and then doing things like shutting down particular regions seems sensible, rather than a sudden move with major panic.

    And by the way, at 50,000 with 15% of cases being serious (as abroad) that’s 7,500 cases needing serious intervention in hospital. That’s pretty big.


  • #2223
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    Dow futures tumble 1,000 points as all-out oil price war adds to coronavirus stress

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/08/dow-futures-drop-700-points-as-all-out-oil-price-war-adds-to-coronavirus-stress.html


  • #2224
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Yeh I was surprised going out in Dublin to see that absolutely nobody had a mask on. I was in the city centre from 1 until 9pm and didnt see a single one, I wasnt expecting many but I thought there would be a few cautious folk

    Perhaps normally sane people are seeing through the lies and not taking all of this fake news and scaremongering so low and behold the WHO and CDC push this 1.9 million possible irish infections onto the Irish MSM who then just parrot it through the papers and on the news. Cowards the lot of them. That guy Harris. What does he know about health? A pup with barely an Arts degree who is overseeing the building of the most expensive hospital in the world. Get f*cked!!!


  • #2225
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,387 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Stock up on the steaks and cheese...

    Ketogenic diet helps tame flu virus
    Date:
    November 15, 2019
    Source:
    Yale University

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/11/191115190327.htm
    In...mice...lol


  • #2226
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    . We can feed ourselves, and when all else is failing around you that will be the making or breaking of a society. If things were to get really bad and supply chains fell apart between countries and within countries like the UK (talking unlikely worst case scenario here) we’d stand a better chance.

    No we can't feed ourselves, and if anything this highlights the lack of self sufficiency that comes with modern day living.

    We still need (amongst other things) farmers, manufacturers/processors and retailers. There is an entire supply chain before that food is on the table.

    The supply chain can breakdown through isolation, quarantines and illness.

    I find it baffling that people don't realise how vulnerable the things we take for granted really are.


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  • #2227
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Miike wrote: »
    This CT scan notion was discussed in some detail last night. CT scans are NOT more accurate. I assume the Chinese paper you're referring to is the one which states that Radiologists could potentially have a role in diagnosing SARS-CoV-2 based on prototypical radiological patterns in CT scans. These patterns are produced during the latter stages of pathogenesis. rRT-PCR can detect viral genetic material prior to the onset of symptoms and thus there will be NO radiological findings in such early stages.

    The study does, however, purport the idea that Radiologists can differentiate between causes of pneumonia or ground glass opacities based on the aforementioned patterns.

    I actually had a chance to review some radiology scans last week and once the the opacity was pointed out to me. It actually made a start contrast to normal.X-rays. very interesting.


  • #2228
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    The Dow Jones Industrial Average just dropped a 1000 points. The markets don't look healthy at all. Fear is taking over. Ended at 25,000 end of week another 1000 decline so far.


    505060.png

    This report from last week when hit 25,000.

    https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/27/the-dow-jones-drops-nearly-1200-points-as-coronavirus-fears-batter-stock-markets/

    Its 5 day profile is up.


  • #2229
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,101 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why so bitter? You've added nothing to the conversation apart from saying you'd rather be reviewed by a vet than a doctor? Are you Catwoman?

    Nah, just a cat lady. Happy now?


  • #2230
    ChurchtownMan
    Site Banned Posts: 38 ✭ChurchtownMan


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I thought that figure of 1.9m Irish people having the virus being bandied about today as an almost fact was deeply irresponsible (and entirely counter-productive).

    I would say the same for the Sunday Business Post and their headline.

    And people give out about the HSE not being open and transparent. When figures do come out, which are entirely cogent and in line with various modelling projections in other countries as well, people complain about being presented with the unpleasant reality.
    Which way do you want it ???


  • #2231
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,011 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    To what end?

    Same as in the west, in the east..


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  • #2232
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Perhaps normally sane people are seeing through the lies and not taking all of this fake news and scaremongering so low and behold the WHO and CDC push this 1.9 million possible irish infections onto the Irish MSM who then just parrot it through the papers and on the news. Cowards the lot of them. That guy Harris. What does he know about health? A pup with barely an Arts degree who is overseeing the building of the most expensive hospital in the world. Get f*cked!!!

    Who would you like to see as health minister?


  • #2233
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    ChurchtownMan wrote: »
    And people give out about the HSE not being open and transparent. When figures do come out, which are entirely cogent in line with various modelling projections in other countries as well, people complain about being presented with the unpleasant reality.
    Which way do you want it ???

    Sugar coated, with rainbows and unicorns.


  • #2234
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Perhaps normally sane people are seeing through the lies and not taking all of this fake news and scaremongering so low and behold the WHO and CDC push this 1.9 million possible irish infections onto the Irish MSM who then just parrot it through the papers and on the news. Cowards the lot of them. That guy Harris. What does he know about health? A pup with barely an Arts degree who is overseeing the building of the most expensive hospital in the world. Get f*cked!!!

    What do WHO and HSE stand to benefit from pushing this 'fake news' upon us? Are they all just a bit bored in their offices? Want some drama?


  • #2235
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,387 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Yeh I was surprised going out in Dublin to see that absolutely nobody had a mask on. I was in the city centre from 1 until 9pm and didnt see a single one, I wasnt expecting many but I thought there would be a few cautious folk
    I work in town and I have seen a few, tbh mostly asian people, in fairness a couple of them on bikes so they might wear all year round anyway.


  • #2236
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Treasure Grumpy Tie wrote: »
    No we can't feed ourselves, and if anything this highlights the lack of self sufficiency that comes with modern day living.

    We still need (amongst other things) farmers, manufacturers/processors and retailers. There is an entire supply chain before that food is on the table.

    The supply chain can breakdown through isolation, quarantines and illness.

    I find it baffling that people don't realise how vulnerable the things we take for granted really are.

    You’re correct the supply chain is fragile. But at least in Ireland it’s internal. In other countries they need to import the food into their ports before they can distribute it. If things got so bad (which I don’t think they will) that the supply chains were breaking down, you can still take steps to bring them under control if it’s inside your borders.


  • #2237
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Perhaps normally sane people are seeing through the lies and not taking all of this fake news and scaremongering so low and behold the WHO and CDC push this 1.9 million possible irish infections onto the Irish MSM who then just parrot it through the papers and on the news. Cowards the lot of them. That guy Harris. What does he know about health? A pup with barely an Arts degree who is overseeing the building of the most expensive hospital in the world. Get f*cked!!!

    Yes, and what possible good can come of telling the nation's OAPs : "200,000 of you are going to die soon". They lost the plot today with their reporting, there should have been far more editorial control over this crazy scaremongering.


  • #2238
    TheQuietBeatle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭TheQuietBeatle


    How do markets drops look compared to 2008 levels?


  • #2239
    Darc19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    wakka12 wrote: »
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    Growth of cases in countries after the first 50 cases are detected. Major anomalies Singpoare who seem to catch every case before it spreads and Japan who inexplicably seemed to have just decided to not test anyone, and USA who are now beginning to uncover an ongoing epidemic through testing
    Singapore introduced very tough rules with severe penalties on people and have been implementing them strongly

    One guy left his house before the 14 day period ended and had his residency rescinded immediately and permanently


  • #2240
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    wakka12 wrote: »
    What do WHO and HSE stand to benefit from pushing this 'fake news' upon us?

    One of the most ridiculous posts yet.

    Complains about the experts in the WHO and HSE and then complains about Harris not being an expert!

    Can't win.


  • #2241
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    I dunno for sure but I can see the city center being a bit of a ghost town this paddy’s day

    https://twitter.com/emmetkirwan/status/1236790802736693250?s=21


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  • #2242
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Yes, and what possible good can come of telling the nation's OAPs : "200,000 of you are going to die soon". They lost the plot today with their reporting, there should have been far more editorial control over this crazy scaremongering.

    In Italy health officials have said they are moving to triage and will let older patients die in favour of using overwhelmed resources to save younger, fitter patients.

    So I’d say a dose of reality and get everyone thinking and moving in the direction of extreme measures to prevent the spread is highly warranted.


  • #2243
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭1641


    wakka12 wrote: »
    What do WHO and HSE stand to benefit from pushing this 'fake news' upon us?

    Are you expecting a rational answer?


  • #2244
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    littlemac1980 wrote: »
    It hasn’t played out in any country yet, unless you count China. There was skepticism about their numbers from the start. Serious skepticism.

    Now their numbers are more or less widely accepted and the WHO investigative team stated from the evidence they saw, that China had gotten the contagion under control.

    China locked down an entire province over night and restricted everyone to their homes/apartments over night. Italy have just done that.

    It’s the only proven method of reducing the contagion... the later you wait to do that, the bigger the problem and the larger amount you will have to quarantine... then the hospitals have to deal with the infected.

    The health system have to deal with the ones who got identified before the quarantine, and also those infected that haven’t yet been identified in the two weeks before the quarantine. Plus whoever gets infected during quarantine (which is hopefully much much lower) The health system have to deal with them, which according to the data so far is about 20% of infected.

    People accuse posters here - who are just stating facts and data from reputable sources as being hysterical, of creating hysteria. Clearly these people have no idea of what hysteria is... anyone accusing people of being hysterical here for making sensible suggestions or observations should give it 3-4 weeks and walk into any A&E in the country, then you’ll know what actual hysteria is.
    Stating facts you said.
    I’d call it telling half stories for likes.
    This thread is full of spouted rubbish by posters trying to be increasingly frantic with predictions.
    The other facts are the region in Italy had an insanely old age profile, the eldest in Europe and the region also had one of the lowest numbers of people under 35 in Europe.
    This is what has caused the high death rate.
    Italy locked the region down in part due to the culture in the region, stating the close family ties has allowed the elderly frequent contact with people that had the virus.
    This virus is realistically killing the already sick/dying.
    This country will not have anything near the death rate of Italy due to the sparsely populated and much younger age profile.


  • #2245
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I thought that figure of 1.9m Irish people having the virus being bandied about today as an almost fact was deeply irresponsible (and entirely counter-productive).

    I would say the same for the Sunday Business Post and their headline.

    Well if it drives those that are sloppy in their personal hygiene habits towards raising their game then that 1.9m figure might come down a fair bit.


  • #2246
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    wakka12 wrote: »
    What do WHO and HSE stand to benefit from pushing this 'fake news' upon us?

    Something big pharma something reduce the pensioners something something.


  • #2247
    GolfNut33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭GolfNut33


    What a joke of a government we have. Italy have quarantined a quarter of its population but we are afraid to stop flights from italy. Ha fooking Ha....absolutely fooking nuts.


  • #2248
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    HSE briefing in the afternoon/evenig tmw rather then later in the day... so hopefully get full update soon, more info about tracing.


  • #2249
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Susan Mitchell who wrote the article stated on RTE Radio 1 earlier that her information came from senior officials in the HSE. She said the HSE are currently finalising their infection predictions and will publish the figures midweek. She stated the HSE will make three predictions ranging from 30 - 50% of the population being infected and that the HSE are currently leaning towards the midway projection - i.e. 1.9m being affected.

    Paul Reid, CEO of the HSE, was interviewed at the same time and confirmed that the HSE are finalising their projection stats and basically agreed with Susan. He did not dispute any content in her article.

    It'll be a big week for the HSE as the publication of the projection stats will determine the national response in terms of how the HSE operates in the weeks ahead.

    Expect all outpatient appointments and elective surgeries nationwide to be cancelled and a complete crisis reorientation of the health service.

    You can listen back to the interview here. Not scaremongering, it's how the interview went down.

    Susan Mitchell is the most respected health correspondent in the country btw, she is always the first to break the major stories.

    The big takeaway is that the HSE think, at the very best, 30% of the population will be infected.

    30% and say a best case of 1% fatality rate (which is conservative) = crica 14,700 who will die.

    I suppose one good thing about the numbers coming from italy is that no one under 50 has died, but it certainly targets the eldery.

    This is a new reality now, a vacine is at best a year away if not more. This is now the new normal for the next few years.....


  • #2250
    [Deleted User]
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    New Home wrote: »
    Nah, just a cat lady. Happy now?

    Anyway, I'm sure you are a respectable lady with lovely cats, but I hope the wider boards community would realise the local vet can't treat atrial fibrillation. Each to their own, eh, Catwoman?;)


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  • #2251
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    expectationlost wrote: »
    HSE briefing in the afternoon/evenig tmw rather then later in the day... so hopefully get full update soon, more info about tracing.

    My understanding is that it was due to be at about 5pm most days last week but got pushed back to 8.30 or so as they were confirming cases coming at them.


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