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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Can we have a stricter policy against posters insulting those of us merely providing news and updates?
    To be clear we cannot keep our eyes on this thread continually. It can move faster then a United v Liverpool thread in Soccer. We rely on reported posts more than ever. Even keeping on top of those on this particular topic can be challenging - I've not been online since opening up this thread but am getting back to a whole raft of reports across both threads. Some have already been dealt with but I'll be looking through them all anyway just to get a feel for the current "problem" areas


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Not recommending it but Carraigeen or also Irish sea moss drink was used as a hot drink for lung infections and Pneumonia in the past. Usually taken with lemon and whiskey. I saw that it is supposed to have anti-viral properties.
    Heard this also (amongst x20 other potent natural medicines), moreso what is known as Red Algae* (red seaweed).


    *Not medical advice, but 'complimentary' medicine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Still only 19 cases according to the HSE, isn't it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    There was an interview on the last thread with a WHO official I think, he outlined what Singapore were doing, someone can probably link it

    1:21



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Not recommending it but Carraigeen or also Irish sea moss drink was used as a hot drink for lung infections and Pneumonia in the past. Usually taken with lemon and whiskey. I saw that it is supposed to have anti-viral properties.

    Well Ive just been to the beach and not a blade of seaweed to be seen! Too many storms


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mrcaramelchoc


    Anyone know if gloves are effective against it?normal gloves nothing special/medical.possibly a stupid question but im asking it anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    Still only 19 cases according to the HSE, isn't it?

    According to HSE at ~5.45pm yesterday, there were 19 confirmed cases as at ~2pm yesterday. There will be an update again this evening.


  • Administrators Posts: 55,029 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    gabeeg wrote: »
    What about what's happened in France, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, UK, Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium, Norway or Austria?

    Are there any valid comparisons to make there?

    Maybe. Maybe not.

    Ireland is different to continental Europe in very obvious ways, which significantly reduces the risk of more cases coming in to the country.

    The UK may be the closest thing, but then the UK does have the busiest airport in Europe bringing everyone from everywhere into the place.

    I guess my point is, people who are getting concerned would be better to listen to the government, and those that actually know what they're talking about, rather than the misery merchants on this thread who would have you believe this place will be an uninhabited rock this time next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,647 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Yeah the famine was grand. Only took a few generations, a revolution, a couple of wars and a bit of nation building to set us straight.

    As can be seen from a comparison of death rates and causes of death between 1916 and 2014. People are far more concerned with things which will never kill them than with things which probably will. Like lifestyle and smoking. Or believing nonsense about vaccines.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-1916/1916irl/bmd/deaths/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,764 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    delly wrote: »
    Portmarnock Golf Club have sent a mail to members to confirm an existing member has been diagnosed with the virus and they are following HSE protocol etc.

    I can confirm the member is a male!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    awec wrote: »
    People are wasting their time looking at what has happened in China and Italy and trying to extrapolate those numbers to understand what could happen here. IMO neither are valid comparisons.

    Absolutely correct.

    Each country will have different things such as:

    Date of first discovery of virus
    Government response
    Rate of testing
    Accuracy of figures
    Population density
    Population interaction/greeting habits
    Urban/Rural divide
    Temperature/Humidity levels
    Interaction with areas of the world where the virus was already prevalent
    Knowledge of the population of the methods of reducing your risk
    Willingness of people to adhere to advice

    I genuinely think that some of these factors will reduce the rate by which it spreads here...Although our I feel Government response has been poor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭scotchy


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Fair play to those that are calling to get tested. At least if seen others know that they may have been infected and will get tested themselves. Better to be open about it

    We need the drive through testing seen elsewhere. much more efficient and safe.

    💙 💛 💙 💛 💙 💛



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    JDD wrote: »
    What are Singapore doing so right?? Their first case was weeks ago, mid-January, and they’re only at 150 cases with no deaths???

    Being a country where it's summer every day of the year does seem to be helping them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    awec wrote: »
    Maybe. Maybe not.

    Ireland is different to continental Europe in very obvious ways, which significantly reduces the risk of more cases coming in to the country.

    The UK may be the closest thing, but then the UK does have the busiest airport in Europe bringing everyone from everywhere into the place.

    I guess my point is, people who are getting concerned would be better to listen to the government, and those that actually know what they're talking about, rather than the misery merchants on this thread who would have you believe this place will be an uninhabited rock this time next year.

    Literally nobody has said anything like that in this thread.

    You're having an argument with yourself. Why?


  • Administrators Posts: 55,029 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Yurt! wrote: »
    The first rule of boards is when there is a problem in Ireland; be it health, housing, a pandemic or the price of cabbage, there is no such thing as a valid comparison with any other country. We are completely and utterly unique in all ways.
    Evidence please ?

    The virus had at least one month of completely uncontained spread in China before anyone even knew what was going on. Italy got it straight out the gate, perhaps again even hit before anyone knew what on earth was going on.

    Yes, people want data, but comparing Ireland to China and Italy is stupid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭Phibsboro


    JDD wrote: »
    What are Singapore doing so right?? Their first case was weeks ago, mid-January, and they’re only at 150 cases with no deaths???

    The weather today in Singapore is a high of 32 and a low of 26. Looking at historical data it has been that warm since at least mid Feb. We are hoping for a summer reprieve and we wouldn't hit anything like those temps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Being a country where it's summer every day of the year does seem to be helping them.

    ultraviolet is natures disinfectant

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Speak Now wrote: »
    I can confirm the member is a male!

    The suspect is hatless, I repeat, hatless.


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    The upcoming summer warmer weather is coming at a good time I'd assume. Less people indoors. Influenza declines bigtime from probably April to September


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Anyone know if gloves are effective against it?normal gloves nothing special/medical.possibly a stupid question but im asking it anyway.

    Not really. It is not even that they are not as sealed, but you won’t use your regular gloves as medical gloves, ie change for a new pair regularity never touch the outside of the gloves themselves after using them.


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  • Administrators Posts: 55,029 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Literally nobody has said anything like that in this thread.

    You're having an argument with yourself. Why?

    I guess I'm getting fed up reading your posts about people's loved ones going into hospital and going missing. :rolleyes:

    The thread is full of doom merchants spreading misinformation, and it's making it hard to discern the stuff we should actually be concerned about versus the bull****.

    Do us all a favour and stick to the facts and leave the hyperbole somewhere else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    hmmm wrote: »
    Italian authorities are openly discussing a possible need for age limits on admission into ICU, in order to preserve resources.
    http://www.siaarti.it/SiteAssets/News/COVID19%20-%20documenti%20SIAARTI/SIAARTI%20-%20Covid19%20-%20Raccomandazioni%20di%20etica%20clinica.pdf

    "Può rendersi necessario porre un limite di età all'ingresso in TI. " and also "I criteri di accesso alla Terapia Intensiva andrebbero discussi e definiti per ogni paziente in modo il più possibile anticipato, creando idealmente per tempo una lista di pazienti che saranno ritenuti meritevoli
    di Terapia Intensiva nel momento in cui avvenisse il deterioramento clinico, sempre che le disponibilità
    in quel momento lo consentano. "

    It's not unexpected, but it's still a shock to see it happening.

    Triage... happens every time there is a glut of really sick people and finite resources to treat them, like in a disaster or a war situation.

    Not great news for our elderly and fragile... most likely to suffer from the disease and least likely to get intensive care.

    :-(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    awec wrote: »
    The virus had at least one month of completely uncontained spread in China before anyone even knew what was going on. Italy got it straight out the gate, perhaps again even hit before anyone knew what on earth was going on.

    Yes, people want data, but comparing Ireland to China and Italy is stupid.

    Not a valid observation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,300 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Absolutely correct.

    Each country will have different things such as:

    Date of first discovery of virus
    Government response
    Rate of testing
    Accuracy of figures
    Population density
    Population interaction/greeting habits
    Urban/Rural divide
    Temperature/Humidity levels
    Interaction with areas of the world where the virus was already prevalent
    Knowledge of the population of the methods of reducing your risk
    Willingness of people to adhere to advice

    I genuinely think that some of these factors will reduce the rate by which it spreads here...Although our I feel Government response has been poor.

    Yes indeed, and I wouldn't even compare us to the likes of the Netherlands and Belgium : two physically small countries but very densely populated (NL has 17m despite being only the size of Munster).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭Phibsboro


    awec wrote: »
    The virus had at least one month of completely uncontained spread in China before anyone even knew what was going on. Italy got it straight out the gate, perhaps again even hit before anyone knew what on earth was going on.

    Yes, people want data, but comparing Ireland to China and Italy is stupid.

    I don't think it is fair to say they got it straight out of the gate. Their handling of patient 1 (the lad going in and out of A+E) was a mess and led to a very quick move from cases->clusters-> community transmission. We appear to be actually handing the initial cases in a better fashion, though I still suspect we are already at community transmission (the doubling rates over the next two weeks will tell us).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Seems to me that the countries most admired are those taking tough measures, and leading their countries well. There will be no kudos for Governments who dilly dally on this full stop.

    When F+M broke out in 2001 there was a huge operation to contain it. Remember also that the EU emergency veterinary fund compensated farmers and associated entities for the loss of their animals.

    Right, where is the EU Emergency Economic fund right now? If there was some sort of compensation fund, then all indoor/outdoor gatherings could immediately be cancelled for say two months or whatever. Give compo to business and others affected, like those with no sick pay who self isolate on instruction by Government.

    Taper down the Foreign Aid budget to the Third World. We are entering a crisis here, and if a few intelligent leaders got their heads together, it could be done (lockdown).

    The EU needs to meet at an extraordinary session and co-ordinate things now. I think Foreign Aid is outside the remit of the EU, but it is an enormous sum of money every year from this little country. We need it for ourselves now.

    I'm not panicking, I am turning a bit angry quite frankly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    Anyone know if gloves are effective against it?normal gloves nothing special/medical.possibly a stupid question but im asking it anyway.

    I used to wear gloves when I played goalkeeper for a local team. My ex team-mates can verify that I never caught anything whilst wearing gloves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    silverharp wrote: »
    ultraviolet is natures disinfectant


    Declare Summer early and pray for sunny weather now!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    scotchy wrote: »
    We need the drive through testing seen elsewhere. much more efficient and safe.

    We have the rollout of at-home mobile testing, which may well be as good / better.

    I'm not sure about the logic of bringing suspected cases to hospital if you don't need to, even on a drive-thru basis. You can guarantee they'll stop off for a coffee or something.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,579 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Anyone know if gloves are effective against it?normal gloves nothing special/medical.possibly a stupid question but im asking it anyway.




    Any gloves you wear out and about are a bonus. I know if I was out using a shopping trolley for example I'd have gloves on. Even a pair of leather gloves would be fine. Gloves you can stick in the microwave would be ideal, minute in microwave kills everything.


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