Lizzo and "body positivity"

mfceiling · 06-03-2020 05:04PM #1

This one is forever on about body positivity and fat shaming. Had a quick google and she's 5ft 10 and weighs 22 stone!! Her BMI is 44.2...classified as obese.

Now body shaming is obviously a thing but this girl is horrifically overweight. High blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease etc are all associated with being overweight. Should she really be celebrated as a positive body role model?

andekwarhola · 06-03-2020 05:16PM

Hate sounding obvious and smartass but I never know who of any of these people are, thankfully. Surely it's easy to avoid them?

AlphabetCards · 06-03-2020 05:19PM

Ten years ago the lizzo thing would annoy me.

But older me recognizes that this artificially-generated provocation-stimulus, outrage-response is all a game to make people money out of my clicks and time.

Ignore the media and social media, and all of a sudden this nonsense doesn't matter.

super_furry · 06-03-2020 05:21PM

You sound annoyed. Have you tried writing her a letter? Maybe cut some letters out magazines and paste them to a page as a cute way of getting her to notice it.

Signore Fancy Pants · 06-03-2020 05:21PM

I just Googled to see who this was.

I recommend not doing the same. Jesus fcuking christ.

Elemonator · 06-03-2020 05:22PM

There definitely is the issue of modern media pushing the ideal of what is a beautiful body. On the flip size, the body positivity movement has pushed the notion that we should accept everyone even if they promote an unhealthy lifestyle.

I'd support anyone not feeling comfortable in their skin to change and not put them down but I will not tell them they are fine when they are heading for problems.

JohnnyFlash · 06-03-2020 05:23PM

AlphabetCards wrote: »

Ten years ago the lizzo thing would annoy me.

But older me recognizes that this artificially-generated provocation-stimulus, outrage-response is all a game to make people money out of my clicks and time.

Ignore the media and social media, and all of a sudden this nonsense doesn't matter.

It doesn’t matter to you, but it is having atremendously negative impact on society as a whole.

Strapping Mark Zuckerberg to a rocket and firing him far into space would be good for humanity. And entertaining I suppose. Unlike his ghoulish websites.

RocketRaccoon · 06-03-2020 05:27PM

I get she's morbidly obese and there are plenty of other people around who look up to her as an inspiration that you can be a success despite being that size.

But she shouldn't be promoted at all, she's very unhealthy. Her body is not a nice thing to look at and kids shouldn't aspire to be like that.

super_furry · 06-03-2020 05:28PM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

But she shouldn't be promoted at all, she's very unhealthy. Her body is not a nice thing to look at and kids shouldn't aspire to be like that.

She's singing songs, not selling diet plans.

mfceiling · 06-03-2020 05:29PM

super_furry wrote: »

You sound annoyed. Have you tried writing her a letter? Maybe cut some letters out magazines and paste them to a page as a cute way of getting her to notice it.

Not annoyed. Just an article I saw in the guardian and couldn't believe she was talking about body positivity when she weighs 22 stone!!

AlphabetCards · 06-03-2020 05:30PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It doesn’t matter to you, but it is having atremendously negative impact on society as a whole.

Strapping Mark Zuckerberg to a rocket and firing him far into space would be good for humanity. And entertaining I suppose. Unlike his ghoulish websites.

I'll never change it Johnny, none of us will. Unless the unabomber resurrects himself and takes out many, many data centres and changes how products and data are cached, collated and sold, this is the society we have to live in. Well, you guys can live in it. I'll be living down in cornwall, running a small business and living on a self sufficient farm, God willing. Might even convince the missus to drop the broadband altogether.

RocketRaccoon · 06-03-2020 05:30PM

super_furry wrote: »

She's singing songs, not selling diet plans.

And her music is fine, no issue with it at all. But you can't deny she is being promoted as an inspiration to other women which I think is wrong.

Ipso · 06-03-2020 05:31PM

Living her troof

AlphabetCards · 06-03-2020 05:32PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Not annoyed. Just an article I saw in the guardian and couldn't believe she was talking about body positivity when she weighs 22 stone!!

The Guardian has had its time. At least Rusbridger had lived through some experiences that shaped his viewpoints. Viner, Toynbee, Calldwlldr et al are just another face of centrist neo-liberal Oxbridge types. Lol.

mfceiling · 06-03-2020 05:33PM

AlphabetCards wrote: »

The Guardian has had its time. At least Rusbridger had lived through some experiences that shaped his viewpoints. Viner, Toynbee, Calldwlldr et al are just another face of centrist neo-liberal Oxbridge types. Lol.

No idea what any of that means.

andekwarhola · 06-03-2020 05:34PM

If you're morbidly obese, you certainly shouldn't be subject to abuse but nor should there be moronic social media campaigns to 'celebrate' the 'positivity' of being that overweight.

As noted already, it's just another terrible byproduct of the consequences of democratizing the Internet for cretins.

Alkers · 06-03-2020 05:38PM

super_furry wrote: »

She's singing songs, not selling diet plans.

Yeah but her music videos and live performances have her flaunting around in the same kind of clothes as all the rest of the pop starts.

She's in a movie Hustlers in which she plays a stripper, doesn't leave anything to the imagination - only just about made up for by JLo playing a similar role...

Bobblehats · 06-03-2020 05:42PM

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

I just Googled to see who this was.

I recommend not doing the same. Jesus fcuking christ.

Thanks, I won’t - you know I have a fairly strong stomach and the compulsion to check these things out usually overrides any sensibilities but I think on this occasion I will refrain.

Raconteuse · 06-03-2020 05:43PM

super_furry wrote: »

She's singing songs, not selling diet plans.

She's saying it's ok to be at a weight which increases the risk of diabetes, arthritis, heart conditions, some cancers, and early death. Someone here said "her body is not nice to look at" - I don't care about that and I don't care what she chooses to do herself, but it's not ok to spread a positivity message about such an unhealthy way to be. And the very same would apply if she was underweight and promoting a body positive message about this.

And a healthy weight doesn't mean a perfect, ultra toned body - it's not unrealistic/unattainable.

nullzero · 06-03-2020 05:44PM

Celebrating a condition that shortens life expectancy and puts pressure on the health care system, and by extension costs the taxpayer a fortune, is never a good idea.
Being body positive about being morbidly obese is a symptom of the modern notion of, offend nobody and by extension celebrate everybody just to be safe.

Your Face · 06-03-2020 05:44PM

RobertKK · 06-03-2020 05:44PM

It is just being positive about being on the road to an early death.

bladespin · 06-03-2020 05:46PM

If you don't like it then look the other way, personally she wouldn't be my cup of tea but I honestly like her personality, very sound, down to earth and really doesn't care what people think/say , probably just as well.

Wibbs · 06-03-2020 05:46PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

As noted already, it's just another terrible byproduct of the consequences of democratizing the Internet for cretins.

I'd reckon it's that A, plus the more niches like "plus sized" and all the other self identification labels that are all the rage now fighting "to be heard" are just another way to narrow marketing focus down even more. So ArseBook has 50 "genders" and "sexualities" and the marketing bods note that "Two spirit" users buy more hats, so fire more adverts for hats at them, "Plus size" buy more boxsets so fire more adverts for boxsets at them and so on.

MakingMovies2 · 06-03-2020 05:48PM

I don't see anything wrong with her. I think she looks gorgeous tbh. I'm glad there's such a talented performer out there who doesn't have what's called a 'perfect' body. I don't see why people feel the need to knock her.

Raconteuse · 06-03-2020 05:50PM

Hardly anyone has a perfect body. 10 stone overweight is hardly just "imperfect" though.

People shouldn't give her personally abuse but her message does deserve scrutiny.

mathie · 06-03-2020 05:51PM

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with her. I think she looks gorgeous tbh. I'm glad there's such a talented performer out there who doesn't have what's called a 'perfect' body. I don't see why people feel the need to knock her.

She certainly has her knockers.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 06-03-2020 05:52PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

She's saying it's ok to be at a weight which increases the risk of diabetes, arthritis, heart conditions, some cancers, and early death. Someone here said "her body is not nice to look at" - I don't care about that and I don't care what she chooses to do herself, but it's not ok to spread a positivity message about such an unhealthy way to be. And the very same would apply if she was underweight and promoting a body positive message about this.

And a healthy weight doesn't mean a perfect, ultra toned body - it's not unrealistic/unattainable.

But seriously like, who is going to emulate her? I’m going to guess that anyone else who is 22 stone would have been that weight with or without Lizzo.

MakingMovies2 · 06-03-2020 05:53PM

mathie wrote: »

She certainly has her knockers.

That's just crude

mfceiling · 06-03-2020 05:53PM

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with her. I think she looks gorgeous tbh. I'm glad there's such a talented performer out there who doesn't have what's called a 'perfect' body. I don't see why people feel the need to knock her.

I've never heard her music personally so I can't judge her talent, however her body size and weight are far from perfect and as such it shouldn't be a case of saying "hurrah for you and your body positivity". 22 stone is very overweight and there's nothing positive about that.

skallywag · 06-03-2020 05:56PM

From the talent perspective, she's not a great singer?

Lizzo and "body positivity"

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