US Presidential Election 2020

Foxtrol · 05-03-2020 04:58PM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Shame, I still think she was the best candidate by a mile. If the Democratic bigwigs had a lick of sense they would've forced Biden to **** off and backed her.

If you want to chastise anyone for not dropping out it should be Bernie. If he cared about the progressive cause more than himself he would have dropped out after his heart attack and pushed all his support behind her.

briany · 05-03-2020 05:02PM

reg114 wrote: »

Sanders main problem is his tendency to rant. I admire his passion but given his advancing years and slightly unkempt appearance , he reminds me sometimes of Grandpa Simpson. Its a simplistic image I know but aesthetics / visuals will affect this race. Sanders is also very much an outsider as far as the establishment are concerned and this is what scares people within the traditional party lines. To be honest Sanders is exactly the left field kind of president America needs in a heartbeat but its not going to happen.

Trump looks patently ridiculous with his M.C. Escher combover and oompa loompa tan job, but he still became president. And that was down to the message he was bringing. Someone like Joe Biden has to make sure the good dentures are in and not a hair is out of place because image is all he has. Sanders is banking on the message above all, and making that resonate with voters.

Anyway, it's arguable that what is happening with the Democrats in the U.S. is what is happening with Labour in the UK. The party has been 'infiltrated' by a huge mass of left-wing younger voters who are really only there because of what's being promised by someone who the party long considered a crank. The Democrats don't want those people. As far as the Democrats are concerned, younger voters really aren't worth bothering with. They need to wait a few years until they have careers, are working toward a 401K and are ready to listen to some sensible middle-of-the-road policies, or else just become disillusioned and not vote altogether.

It's bearing out just as it did 4 years ago. Young people are not to be relied upon when it comes to actually turning up to vote. Maybe if they did do that, the Dem establishment would be forced to listen. But they don't, so it won't.

Dytalus · 05-03-2020 05:10PM

pixelburp wrote: »

I dunno, she's 70 now, and while she wears it well, she could be 78 before she gets another chance at the White House. 74 at a minimum if Trump gets a second term. I'm sure she'll continue to work as a senator or State level, but you'd imagine that's that for any Presidential aspirations.

Oh I don't disagree. Although as mentioned by another poster her age seems to hinder a lot less than some other candidates. But yeah, I meant more along the lines of get role as senator. I'd love to see her as majority least, but to many variables have to line up to make that happen I think.

Hande hoche! · 05-03-2020 05:44PM

If Trump wins decisively in November, could imagine her throwing in her hat in 2024. If however the DNC candidate takes the prize, can't see a path for her.

Red for Danger · 05-03-2020 06:14PM

everlast75 wrote: »

So, according to you, those who insult the other the most "wins" the debate? Says a lot about your perspective.

Secondly, it is very easy to do something like that. It doesn't take a genius.

Wha? Im for Sanders and it ain't for his looks or ability to crack a joke

Sanders is gonna win anyways, when the focus goes back onto bidan it will dawn on folks what they're dealing with.
Whats the plan? Keep him in a glass jar and when he finally gets on stage he starts stripping down.

eagle eye · 05-03-2020 07:27PM

Dems have no hope of winning this election. You are not getting enough people to the polls to vote for a socialist or a man in the early throws of dementia.
They have four years to learn from all.this and find a candidate who can unite the party.
Joe Kennedy, Chris Murphy and Martin Heinrich are three exceptional candidates imo. Ami Bera is another interesting man who I think would make a great candidate.
Bera is a former medical doctor who could talk about Medicare reform and people would believe him.

AbusesToilets · 05-03-2020 07:43PM

Dytalus wrote: »

Oh I don't disagree. Although as mentioned by another poster her age seems to hinder a lot less than some other candidates. But yeah, I meant more along the lines of get role as senator. I'd love to see her as majority least, but to many variables have to line up to make that happen I think.

She would be excellent in that role. Clear idea for policy initiatives, and able to take on anyone in a debate.

The Phantom Jipper · 05-03-2020 09:13PM

Working on the (perhaps incorrect) assumption that Biden needs to choose a woman for VP, would he be strong enough in the black community not to need to have Abrams or Harris? Abrams would make a lot of sense to help push Georgia in to play but are there any Hispanic choices in the mix to placate that wing of the party?

Rosahane · 05-03-2020 09:24PM

...when even the Ayatollahs get it right

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/05/iranian-state-media-joe-biden-feeble-minded-incoherent/

Water John · 05-03-2020 09:25PM

Julian Castro?

Rjd2 · 05-03-2020 09:49PM

Water John wrote: »

Julian Castro?

Backed Warren didn't he? I dunno he was the only person who touched on Biden not really been at the races regarding his memory.

I don't think Biden really needs a black VP that much, he is pretty strong with the older black voters who do vote. Harris didn't really do well in polls with black voters either before she dropped out so bar keeping the media happy would it really move the needle on the ground?

He could pick Kloub' to nail down the rust belt. It might not be the most diverse or exciting ticket but probably gets it done in Nov.

Harris and her are the 2 betting favs at the moment with Stacey Abrams 3rd.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2020/democratic-vp-nominee

sid waddell · 05-03-2020 11:44PM

There's some bad news coming out of Ukraine for Biden. Zelensky has fired his cabinet, and the prosecutor general, a guy called Ruslan Ryaboshapka, who was widely regarded as good at his job and of high integrity.

It looks like there's a big changing of the guard to go in a much more pro-Russian and certainly pro-oligarch direction.

That means Ukraine is likely to co-operate in doing what the Russians and Trump want in terms of manufacturing fake "dirt" on Biden.

AllForIt · 06-03-2020 12:09AM

sid waddell wrote: »

There's some bad news coming out of Ukraine for Biden. Zelensky has fired his cabinet, and the prosecutor general, a guy called Ruslan Ryaboshapka, who was widely regarded as good at his job and of high integrity.

It looks like there's a big changing of the guard to go in a much more pro-Russian and certainly pro-oligarch direction.

That means Ukraine is likely to co-operate in doing what the Russians and Trump want in terms of manufacturing fake "dirt" on Biden.

Are you for real?

eagle eye · 06-03-2020 02:12AM

sid waddell wrote:

That means Ukraine is likely to co-operate in doing what the Russians and Trump want in terms of manufacturing fake "dirt" on Biden.

I love how you say it's fake before we get any information like it couldn't be true.

Manic Moran · 06-03-2020 06:18AM

Oddity coming out of swing state Colorado.

Latest figures are showing 280,000 votes for Sanders, 180,00 for Biden, 160,000 for Bloomberg, and 135,000 for Warren. That’s about 730,000 all told.

Trump is on 600,000, and there wasn’t much point in anyone arsing themselves to go vote in the Republican election. Colorado is an open primary, anyone could vote for either party. Not a good sign for Democrats, compared to figures such as Virginia which saw (reasonably) a lot more D votes than R.

Red for Danger · 06-03-2020 06:44AM

Maybe trump is a more prolific but both trump and bidan are compulsive liars.
Now we can stop listening to so called concern about "trumps lies"

one world order · 06-03-2020 06:45AM

Town hall meeting went well. Trump has gone after Biden's mental incompetence, his sons corrupt dealings with a Ukrainian oil company, Sanders communist ideology and the mainstream media that is effectively part of the democratic party. He is a very strong leader and should get another 4 more years.

everlast75 · 06-03-2020 06:56AM

one world order wrote: »

Town hall meeting went well. Trump has gone after Biden's mental incompetence, his sons corrupt dealings with a Ukrainian oil company, Sanders communist ideology and the mainstream media that is effectively part of the democratic party. He is a very strong leader and should get another 4 more years.

It's like the greatest hits, albeit with a silent "s" at the start.

Absolutely nothing positive about what he has done in the past four years. The man is a conman and at this stage, I wonder about the gullibility of those that still cannot see it.

PS - the bit in bold actually made me laugh out loud

Wanderer78 · 06-03-2020 07:09AM

one world order wrote:

Town hall meeting went well. Trump has gone after Biden's mental incompetence, his sons corrupt dealings with a Ukrainian oil company, Sanders communist ideology and the mainstream media that is effectively part of the democratic party. He is a very strong leader and should get another 4 more years.

'Communist ideology', hahaha brilliant

sid waddell · 06-03-2020 10:51AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I love how you say it's fake before we get any information like it couldn't be true.

Well we don't have any information to say that it couldn't be true that you sexually abuse kids.

Even though we have absolutely zero evidence that you do.

But you can't prove a negative, can you?

I bet you wouldn't like it if people went around without any evidence whstsoever saying that you sexually abused children, would you?

And with good reason.

It's exactly the same principle.

eagle eye · 06-03-2020 01:29PM

sid waddell wrote:

I bet you wouldn't like it if people went around without any evidence whstsoever saying that you sexually abused children, would you?

You are putting me in the position of the alleged offender.
I'm talking about making assumptions based off of no information. And I'm talking either way here.

everlast75 · 06-03-2020 02:03PM

Biden should issue a press release stating that he will undergo a full neurological assessment by a random top tier surgeon, and release the records, if Trump will do the same.

In relation to allegations that Hunter Biden was making money off his old man's name, Biden should release a comprehensive analysis by a reputable firm of accountants of how Trump and his kids have been grifting off the american public for the last 3 plus years.

Any mention of Biden not supporting Annie Hall back in the day, should be dealt with by reference to her forgiving him and promptly thereafter reference to Summer Zervos and all of the women who are currently suing Trump for sex related crimes.

Time to slap (figuratively speaking) that smug pout off Trump's mouth.

Rjd2 · 06-03-2020 03:24PM

Warren not getting behind Sanders is proof she is fake progressive and priorities her career above poor people.

Sure support Biden when its he v Trump in November but if she supposedly shares the same beliefs that Bernie does go to work for him, he needs help.

Shouldn't be shocked though, she sat on the sidelines in 2016 and tried to keep all sides happy.

If Trump wins, God help her if she thinks progressives will forgive her in 2024.

Also while establishment hacks (Hi Maddow) scream about BERNIE BROS@! and how PUTIN LOVES BERNIE@!!! , Nazis are targeting Bernie. But heh a Bernie bro was mean on twitter so meh.

https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1235799131580436480

The Phantom Jipper · 06-03-2020 04:00PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

Warren not getting behind Sanders is proof she is fake progressive and priorities her career above poor people.

Sure support Biden when its he v Trump in November but if she supposedly shares the same beliefs that Bernie does go to work for him, he needs help.

Shouldn't be shocked though, she sat on the sidelines in 2016 and tried to keep all sides happy.

If Trump wins, God help her if she thinks progressives will forgive her in 2024.

Also while establishment hacks (Hi Maddow) scream about BERNIE BROS@! and how PUTIN LOVES BERNIE@!!! , Nazis are targeting Bernie. But heh a Bernie bro was mean on twitter so meh.

https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1235799131580436480

It's more likely that she prioritises winning in November rather than endorsing a guy whose campaign is on life support and would run the risk of fuelling the same grievances that undermined party unity in 2016.

As an aside, it appears that her remaining supporters aren't guaranteed Sanders voters; they had already jumped ship to him at this stage, so an endorsement wouldn't be that much of a game-changer.

Foxtrol · 06-03-2020 04:14PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

Warren not getting behind Sanders is proof she is fake progressive and priorities her career above poor people.

Sure support Biden when its he v Trump in November but if she supposedly shares the same beliefs that Bernie does go to work for him, he needs help.

Shouldn't be shocked though, she sat on the sidelines in 2016 and tried to keep all sides happy.

If Trump wins, God help her if she thinks progressives will forgive her in 2024.

Also while establishment hacks (Hi Maddow) scream about BERNIE BROS@! and how PUTIN LOVES BERNIE@!!! , Nazis are targeting Bernie. But heh a Bernie bro was mean on twitter so meh.

Though horrible I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by pointing out one person waved a flag in the nose bleeds behind his back and he wasn't even aware of it until he was told afterwards.

Are you looking for sympathy for him? Is this supposed to excuse the way it is perceived that his supporters have acted and the fact that he has brushed over the issue?

Rjd2 · 06-03-2020 04:42PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Though horrible I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by pointing out one person waved a flag in the nose bleeds behind his back and he wasn't even aware of it until he was told afterwards.

Are you looking for sympathy for him? Is this supposed to excuse the way it is perceived that his supporters have acted and the fact that he has brushed over the issue?

The Bernie bro stuff is a media created myth created by the usual media hacks in the pocket of the DNC to limit Bernie. He has denounced them numerous times, but they keep making hay of it.

Warren making a big deal of it is just her making a lame excuse to stay on the sidelines and try and keep everyone happy like she did in 2016.

However she has shown that by not helping Bernie, she sees no difference between him and Biden a man whose policies are supposedly opposite of hers.

Best of luck to Biden in November as obviously he is better than Trump, but hopefully in 2024 the party leans more towards the AOC side rather than the likes of Warren/Biden.

The Phantom Jipper · 06-03-2020 05:01PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

The Bernie bro stuff is a media created myth created by the usual media hacks in the pocket of the DNC to limit Bernie. He has denounced them numerous times, but they keep making hay of it.

Warren making a big deal of it is just her making a lame excuse to stay on the sidelines and try and keep everyone happy like she did in 2016.

However she has shown that by not helping Bernie, she sees no difference between him and Biden a man whose policies are supposedly opposite of hers.

Best of luck to Biden in November as obviously he is better than Trump, but hopefully in 2024 the party leans more towards the AOC side rather than the likes of Warren/Biden.

Whatever about Bernie Bros, but you yourself have just written off a person's entire career and claimed they don't care about poor people, based solely on the fact that they haven't yet endorsed the candidate you like. It's that kind of absolutism that people have an issue with I think, and that supporters of his justifiably get criticised for.

Foxtrol · 06-03-2020 05:07PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

The Bernie bro stuff is a media created myth created by the usual media hacks in the pocket of the DNC to limit Bernie. He has denounced them numerous times, but they keep making hay of it.

Warren making a big deal of it is just her making a lame excuse to stay on the sidelines and try and keep everyone happy like she did in 2016.

However she has shown that by not helping Bernie, she sees no difference between him and Biden a man whose policies are supposedly opposite of hers.

Best of luck to Biden in November as obviously he is better than Trump, but hopefully in 2024 the party leans more towards the AOC side rather than the likes of Warren/Biden.

I don't see an answer to my question there.

Given his family history, I can see why Bernie would be offended by that flag being waived at the rally, it is a pity that many Bernie supporters couldn't see how his praise of elements of what Castro did would similarly offend families that were destroyed by that regime.

Regarding Warren's support, or lack thereof, a person can agree with another's policies while also believing they a) can't win the general election or b) doesn't have the ability to get the policies implemented. If they feel either of those things then it makes sense to not endorse.

Rjd2 · 06-03-2020 05:31PM

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

It's more likely that she prioritises winning in November rather than endorsing a guy whose campaign is on life support and would run the risk of fuelling the same grievances that undermined party unity in 2016.

As an aside, it appears that her remaining supporters aren't guaranteed Sanders voters; they had already jumped ship to him at this stage, so an endorsement wouldn't be that much of a game-changer.

She could have dropped out weeks ago after Iowa or even Nevada when it was obvious she could not have won and thrown her lot in behind Bernie.

Although to be fair Bernie also showed his lack of political expertise by not trying to get her to join him.

It is interesting that around that time a Super pac something Warren said she wanted no part of started throwing money at her the oh so principled candidate she is.

Ah well it is what it is.

Rjd2 · 06-03-2020 05:34PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I don't see an answer to my question there.

Given his family history, I can see why Bernie would be offended by that flag being waived at the rally, it is a pity that many Bernie supporters couldn't see how his praise of elements of what Castro did would similarly offend families that were destroyed by that regime.

Regarding Warren's support, or lack thereof, a person can agree with another's policies while also believing they a) can't win the general election or b) doesn't have the ability to get the policies implemented. If they feel either of those things then it makes sense to not endorse.

He said Castro was a thug, but the mainstream media focused on that one line. He should have shot it down quicker obviously.

I am sure those who buried those who they lost to the Iraq war must be delighted that Biden who played a role in getting into that war was championed by regime change neocon horrors such as Kristol, Boot and Frum who in turn have spent the last few years demonising Bernie.

Biden is better than Trump, but lets hope we get something a little more progressive in 2024 and hopefully not Warren.

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