Grumpy Moore Street Traders

Thelonious Monk · 02-03-2020 01:29PM

Moore St and the crappy stalls on Henry St remind me of the sh*tty market streets you have in the less salubrious parts of London like Walworth and Deptford. They don't belong smack bang in the centre of a city in my opinion.

Chinasea · 02-03-2020 02:40PM

Time we saw some diversity. Licences should be reviewed and the net cast further.

riclad · 02-03-2020 03:45PM

i think it would be sad if dublin was completly gentrified
and we just have shops like pennys ,disney, international chain stores
that are located in paris,london etc
I think tourists go to temple bar ,grafton st, the guinness brewery etc
I cycle around dublin city centre every day , i have never seen anyone being robbed .
the worse thing is seeing homeless people sleeping on the street and being asked for a euro if i stop anywhere for 2 minutes .
Every city has markets in certain places .

Utter Consternation · 02-03-2020 03:50PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The legendary Dublin wit is just that; a legend. Lot of the ‘True Blue’ Dub sorts are some of the unfunniest pain-in-the-hole creatures you’ll meet in the country.

Answering questions that were never asked and laughing at their own 'jokes.'

TheW1zard · 02-03-2020 03:57PM

I sometimes have a walk around capel/abbey/moore street just to look at the junkies!

topper75 · 02-03-2020 04:19PM

TheW1zard wrote: »

I sometimes have a walk around capel/abbey/moore street just to look at the junkies!

Junkwatch!

"Some people stand in the darkness
Afraid to step into the light..."

MarkY91 · 02-03-2020 05:12PM

riclad wrote: »

i think it would be sad if dublin was completly gentrified
and we just have shops like pennys ,disney, international chain stores
that are located in paris,london etc
I think tourists go to temple bar ,grafton st, the guinness brewery etc
I cycle around dublin city centre every day , i have never seen anyone being robbed .
the worse thing is seeing homeless people sleeping on the street and being asked for a euro if i stop anywhere for 2 minutes .
Every city has markets in certain places .

Moore Street for starters is a pathetic excuse for a market.

I can't think of any city I've been to where they have a "market" right of the main Street of the capital city.

Chinasea · 02-03-2020 05:18PM

There are plenty of markets bang in the middle of cities. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact they add a welcome break from chain after chain shopping.

The problem with Moore's Street is that it is grotty, unfriendly and intimidating. Needs total revamping with a few new licences being granted to FRESH new people selling a more diverse range of products. There is room for all. Would need very careful roll out and monitoring. Nobody is ENTITLED to trade on a barrow forever.

John_Rambo · 02-03-2020 05:19PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

I can't think of any city I've been to where they have a "market" right of the main Street of the capital city.

Really? You've never seen a city market or bazaar off the main street of a capital city?

Utter Consternation · 02-03-2020 05:24PM

Chinasea wrote: »

There are plenty of markets bang in the middle of cities. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact they add a welcome break from chain after chain shopping.

The problem with Moore's Street is that it is grotty, unfriendly and intimidating. Needs total revamping with a few new licences being granted to FRESH new people selling a more diverse range of products. There is room for all. Would need very careful roll out and monitoring. Nobody is ENTITLED to trade on a barrow forever.

They're still selling smokes down there too. Advertising it very quietly.

MarkY91 · 02-03-2020 05:28PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Really? You've never seen a city market or bazaar off the main street of a capital city?

Nope. But as I said...it's not even a market. Just a few smelly stalls selling gone off fruit.

I absolutely love markets and especially food markets. Sadly, Dublin doesn't have any which is a shame..just a 3rd world ****hole of a street to buy fake cigarettes on. So charming..

chooseusername · 02-03-2020 05:31PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Moore Street for starters is a pathetic excuse for a market.

I can't think of any city I've been to where they have a "market" right of the main Street of the capital city.

Let me take you by the hand...

https://www.streetsensation.co.uk/markets.htm

MarkY91 · 02-03-2020 05:59PM

chooseusername wrote: »

Let me take you by the hand...

https://www.streetsensation.co.uk/markets.htm

What point are you trying to get across here? A ****hole street isn't comparable to Camden or Borough market ffs. Do you honestly think them And moore street are the same?

Stevieluvsye · 02-03-2020 06:09PM

Cumere chumbfella i'm gonna fcuking streel ouya

Salt of the earth

chooseusername · 02-03-2020 06:11PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

What point are you trying to get across here? A ****hole street isn't comparable to Camden or Borough market ffs. Do you honestly think them And moore street are the same?

Ok , Marky,
I didn't get the "inverted commas" in your post.
Or maybe Ralph Mctell was before your time.

Ray Palmer · 02-03-2020 06:23PM

chooseusername wrote: »

Let me take you by the hand...

https://www.streetsensation.co.uk/markets.htm

Camden is a shell of what it used to be. It is now the same stuff in lots of stalls. It used to be really varied. Anyway Moore Street is a fruit market that sells inferior products now. The traders are dying off and their families don't want to do it anymore so will be gone soon enough. People will mourn it even though nobody goes there now

arybvtcw0eolkf · 02-03-2020 06:59PM

corner of hells wrote: »

I'm originally from the city and some of my mother's extended family were and still are street traders , they'd have been her cousins.
Most are licensed traders , with the licences in the family for years.
They all made good livings with one of her cousins sons going on to set up a fairly well known solicitors practice, her other son being a Garda.
Income wise , I'm not sure about the Moore street traders but the Henry street traders at Christmas make a minimum of 10k a month in December.
My mothers side were mainly involved in selling fresh flowers.
None of us are or were scumbags or criminals.

We've likely crossed paths so.

My family are originally from Summerhill, Matt Talbot Court area and I married into a Sheriff Street family. I used to love going into my nanny when trading would stop on Saturday afternoon then heading into O'Neill's bar for a few pints of stout with her and some of the traders, they were 'dealers' back that has a whole new meaning now.

My mother was very sick for a time back then so I'd be heading home her with a trolley (yup, the ol'wans trolly on wheels) full of fruit, meat and veg. It was funny peeling spuds and carrots full of Guinness

I haven't shopped on the street for a good few years now, but I've walked through it a few times and it was mostly African and Asian shops and very few traders. Certainly nothing like it used to be, all its character is gone.

My Nanny is dead a few years now, but I've the fondest memories of having a few pints with her and her friends, then a good old knee slapping sing along of old Dublin songs.

After we all up grew up and started our own family I used to get a laugh when I'd visit my mother and sister with my children. Not used to the townie accents and slang words my kids would often whisper to me ''Whats Nanny saying?''.

Great memories

corner of hells · 02-03-2020 07:10PM

Leandro Better Xenophobia wrote: »

We've likely crossed paths so.

My family are originally from Summerhill, Matt Talbot Court area and I married into a Sheriff Street family. I used to love going into my nanny when trading would stop on Saturday afternoon then heading into O'Neill's bar for a few pints of stout with her and some of the traders, they were 'dealers' back that has a whole new meaning now.

My mother was very sick for a time back then so I'd be heading home her with a trolley (yup, the ol'wans trolly on wheels) full of fruit, meat and veg. It was funny peeling spuds and carrots full of Guinness

I haven't shopped on the street for a good few years now, but I've walked through it a few times and it was mostly African and Asian shops and very few traders. Certainly nothing like it used to be, all its character is gone.

My Nanny is dead a few years now, but I've the fondest memories of having a few pints with her and her friends, then a good old knee slapping sing along of old Dublin songs.

After we all up grew up and started our own family I used to get a laugh when I'd visit my mother and sister with my children. Not used to the townie accents and slang words my kids would often whisper to me ''Whats Nanny saying?''.

Great memories

I'm from the other side , Kevin Street area.
I'd walk through Moore Street a couple of times each month and buy fruit.I buy meat occasionally in the butchers there , particularly fond of a bit of hazlet.

I've good friend from Matt Talbot Court too , still living there.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 02-03-2020 07:26PM

corner of hells wrote: »

I'm from the other side , Kevin Street area.
I'd walk through Moore Street a couple of times each month and buy fruit.I buy meat occasionally in the butchers there , particularly fond of a bit of hazlet.

I've good friend from Matt Talbot Court too , still living there.

Jesus I love a bit of hazlet, or fresh sliced cornbeef on Brennans bread

I've still got family in Matt Talbot, still living in my Nanny's old flat.

I was born in the tenements in Summerhill (on the corner of Ruthland St), we moved to Ballymun but my Nanny and most of the neighbors moved into Matt Talbot and surrounding area's.

Its hard getting 'townies' out of town. When I got married I lived in Sheriff St for awhile, then turned posh and bought a house in Eastwall.. When my son was knocked down in Eastwall I wanted to get out of the city and bought out in Portmarnock, my wife thought we were moving out to the countryside and moaned that she'd never see anyone again lol

I mostly like the new Ireland, I'd say over 50% of my friends now weren't Irish born but I do miss the Dublin character too.

My mother in law died recently, at her funeral in Sheriff Street my now grown up children and me had a laugh listening to the accents and remembering how they couldn't understand my mother & sister's accents.

''Ah hereeee leeeeve ih ouh' (or whatever way its spelled) is my wifes aunt and still living just off Sheriff St.

I recently reread Strumpet City, a brilliant read for anyone interested in a little bit of Dublin history.

mikemac2 · 02-03-2020 07:58PM

chooseusername wrote: »

Let me take you by the hand...

https://www.streetsensation.co.uk/markets.htm

Dammit

I´ll have that song stuck in my head. One of the songs we had to learn off and sing in primary school

And it is such a depressing song

sob

anewme · 02-03-2020 08:13PM

Love the posts by Maikomi and Corner of Hells here to balance the Dub bashing.

We always lived in west Dublin but remember dossing off our vocational year to get the bus in (child fare) shopping to Cassidys on the corner and get a meal in one of the cafes in Moore Street.

Bring home a few sausages from Buckleys and we'd be excused bunking off.

We ate fruit, fish from the market traders and were never a days sick.

One of the shops nearby had a fortune teller and we wanted to be told we'd meet a tall handsome stranger and have 5 kids. Well, I'm still waiting in that stranger over 30 years later and the only hope of 5 kids is an immaculate conception, so that was a scam anyway.

It wasn't all bad.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/moore-street-down-all-the-days-1.4040013

the purple tin · 02-03-2020 08:45PM

I caught the tail end of an argument between some irate bloke and an old tough-as-leather fruit trader years back as I was coming out of the Ilac.

Her parting shot as he stormed off up the street was to bellow at the top of her lungs 'if ya come back here again I'll cut the ****in flute off ya' :eek:

imme · 02-03-2020 09:48PM

elperello wrote: »

Sophisticated forward looking cities all over the world cherish their traditional outdoor/indoor markets but not in dear old Dublin.

Wake up Dublin City Council.

Can the city council make people shop in Moore Street?
Look at YouTube for old clips of Moore Street and the place is busy busy, a proper marketplace.

Things have changed dramatically, diet, city dwellers, suburban shops, supermarkets etc etc.
Moore Street is finished.

There are plans to rejuvenate the fruit & veg market.
I don't see it working personally.

What do you want the city council to do for Moore Street.

bobbyss · 02-03-2020 10:12PM

Do the traders get the produce from that big place near Ormonde Square? Is that closing?

imme · 02-03-2020 10:16PM

bobbyss wrote: »

Do the traders get the produce from that big place near Ormonde Square? Is that closing?

The corpo fruit and vegetable market closed in 2019, August I think.

There is a plan to open again, part market, part small restaurants.

elperello · 02-03-2020 10:23PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

Dammit

I´ll have that song stuck in my head. One of the songs we had to learn off and sing in primary school

And it is such a depressing song sob

Another way of looking at it is that "The Streets of London" isn't a depressing song at all.

It's a reality check

It took the genius of one man to write it and teach us all when we hear it about the tough side of life.

What we do with that knowledge is another story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krY4s1Z3FWo

Leg End Reject · 02-03-2020 10:24PM

I have fond memories of Moore Street, and the Christmas market stalls, from childhood trips to the big smoke.

The whole Henry Street and O'Connell Street areas need investment and proper oversight into the shops that are allowed open there.

The history of the area draws tourists, it could be upgraded into a major shopping area, with proper restaurants and public spaces. The market would fit in perfectly with proper stalls and produce.

All it needs is foresight and investment.

elperello · 02-03-2020 10:42PM

imme wrote: »

Can the city council make people shop in Moore Street?
Look at YeouTube for old clips of Moore Street and the place is busy busy, a proper marketplace.

Things have changed dramatically, diet, city dwellers, suburban shops, supermarkets etc etc.
Moore Street is finished.

There are plans to rejuvenate the fruit & veg market.
I don't see it working personally.

What do you want the city council to do for Moore Street.

Maybe you are right it might be too late. Perhaps the mandarins in City Hall have achieved their goal. On the other hand Dublin may not have to be the only city in Europe where markets don't work.

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I have fond memories of Moore Street, and the Christmas market stalls, from childhood trips to the big smoke.

The whole Henry Street and O'Connell Street areas need investment and proper oversight into the shops that allowed open there.

The history of the area draws tourists, it could be upgraded into a major shopping area, with proper restaurants and public spaces. The market would fit in perfectly with proper stalls and produce.

All it needs is foresight and investment.

That's the sort of thing.

A bit of vision, an actual feel for the city and what makes it attractive for locals and tourists alike.

Think English Market in Cork.

corner of hells · 02-03-2020 11:30PM

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I have fond memories of Moore Street, and the Christmas market stalls, from childhood trips to the big smoke.

The whole Henry Street and O'Connell Street areas need investment and proper oversight into the shops that allowed open there.

The history of the area draws tourists, it could be upgraded into a major shopping area, with proper restaurants and public spaces. The market would fit in perfectly with proper stalls and produce.

All it needs is foresight and investment.

You may get what you wish for , Chinese investors have been buying large amounts of property in Dublin city centre recently. Whole blocks of Talbot street have been bought up already.

Leg End Reject · 02-03-2020 11:37PM

corner of hells wrote: »

You may get what you wish for , Chinese investors have been buying large amounts of property in Dublin city centre recently. Whole blocks of Talbot street have been bought up already.

Well that isn't what I meant at all. The whole area and the Quays need a major facelift. The difference crossing over to Grafton Street and surrounds is startling.

The city centre should be vibrant and appealing, not a case of north -v- south.

Grumpy Moore Street Traders

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