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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭ahhhhhFE1s


    Constitutional

    Q2 on the Oct 2019 paper about Blanaid and her bank account being frozen.. Examiner report seems to say it's about right to earn a livelihood and Art 45? I am extremely confused, does anyone have a sample answer or even just a brief summary of how that conclusion is reached??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭TCPIP


    Unsure how right to earn a livelihood comes into that question as the money is a gift... What does the report say exactly?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭Law1997


    ahhhhhFE1s wrote: »
    Constitutional

    Q2 on the Oct 2019 paper about Blanaid and her bank account being frozen.. Examiner report seems to say it's about right to earn a livelihood and Art 45? I am extremely confused, does anyone have a sample answer or even just a brief summary of how that conclusion is reached??

    It’s her right to personal property that’s affected!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Yeah I would have thought it is Property rights rather than right to livelihood. Article 43 and Article 40.3.2

    Also Cassidy v Commissioner of An Garda Siochana - freezing orders


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭ahhhhhFE1s


    Yeah I would have thought it is Property rights rather than right to livelihood. Article 43 and Article 40.3.2

    Also Cassidy v Commissioner of An Garda Siochana - freezing orders

    Thanks a mill think I may have misinterpreted the report.. Have tried to attach image of the report.. Same question comes up in Oct 2017


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭Supermax1988


    ahhhhhFE1s wrote: »
    Thanks a mill think I may have misinterpreted the report.. Have tried to attach image of the report.. Same question comes up in Oct 2017

    I presume that’s a typo in the report and he meant Q3?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭TCPIP


    His report is correct. As he says 'many candidates focused solely on the right to earn a livelihood which unnecessarily limited their capacity...". In essence he says that a lot of people screwed themselves by attaching to something irrelevant.

    His reports should be challenged for vagueness themselves...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 17 Law000


    Yeah I would have thought it is Property rights rather than right to livelihood. Article 43 and Article 40.3.2

    Also Cassidy v Commissioner of An Garda Siochana - freezing orders

    Have you any info on that Cassidy case? I’ve the full judgment but far too much to get through in it? Cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Law000 wrote: »
    Have you any info on that Cassidy case? I’ve the full judgment but far too much to get through in it? Cheers

    Don't have much on it

    Cassidy v Commissioner of An Garda Siochana - The issue of a freezing order appears to constitute the administration of justice. Freezing order obtained under S.17 Criminal Justice (Money Laundering and Terrorist Financing) Act 2010. The order was made by a DC Judge who had heard the application in camera. The making of the order was challenged on the basis that because the freezing order amounted to the administration of justice it ought to have been done in public. The HC agreed noting the significant restriction placed on the use of funds and the need to weigh evidence in order to make the determination.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 LJones18


    TCPIP wrote: »
    His report is correct. As he says 'many candidates focused solely on the right to earn a livelihood which unnecessarily limited their capacity...". In essence he says that a lot of people screwed themselves by attaching to something irrelevant.

    His reports should be challenged for vagueness themselves...


    So for a Q like this, would one talk about the freezing order and Cassidy v Garda Siochana, and then go onto to speak about Right to earn a livelihood, being subject to regulation, disproportionate interference?

    Does Inheritance count as earning a livelihood in this sense?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭user115


    Constitutional - Referendums

    On McKenna V An Taoiseach 1995 no2 the SC declared that the spending by the executive was subject to court jurisdiction and did find that it was unconstitutional because it was in disregard of is it other provisions of the Constit? Also if it is deemed unconstit then is it just a declaration or are people entitled to damages? From my reading it seems it is just a declaration and then a separate case has to be taken to see the extent of how much those unconstit actions of spending actually interfered with the vote but that is a super high bar and the courts have never said such disregard re spending has ever had that much of a effect that it swung the vote?

    I feel like I am missing something or it that it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭user115


    Do you think it might be okay to leave out equality totally?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 17 Law000


    user115 wrote: »
    Do you think it might be okay to leave out equality totally?

    Not sure if it came up in last sitting? Comes up quite a bit so I’d cover


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭rightytighty


    Law000 wrote: »
    Not sure if it came up in last sitting? Comes up quite a bit so I’d cover

    There was an essay on it in October


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Looks like Equity has the lowest pass rate most sittings, anyone have any insight into why this might be? Particularly hard marker? Or do people just find it difficult?

    I don't have access to any of the examiner reports so not sure what the story is

    48% pass rate for the October 17 sitting seems mad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭user115


    Looks like Equity has the lowest pass rate most sittings, anyone have any insight into why this might be? Particularly hard marker? Or do people just find it difficult?

    I don't have access to any of the examiner reports so not sure what the story is

    48% pass rate for the October 17 sitting seems mad

    Ya I was asking this a while ago, made me very worried before I started study for it. Like the exam is not as unpredictable as others and topics seems straight forward. Really wonder where people go wrong or if examiner just really harsh, I feel alright about equity like I understand it okay and feel I have enough topics covered, maybe could do one more but happy enough with it.

    What do others think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    user115 wrote: »
    Ya I was asking this a while ago, made me very worried before I started study for it. Like the exam is not as unpredictable as others and topics seems straight forward. Really wonder where people go wrong or if examiner just really harsh, I feel alright about equity like I understand it okay and feel I have enough topics covered, maybe could do one more but happy enough with it.

    What do others think?

    Yeah same as, might be the only exam I am comfortable with atm lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭rightytighty


    Equity is just a miserable subject imo, it’s as boring as the day is long. I found it so hard to study for haha


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭leavingcert17


    I haven’t passed it yet, very desperate too. I feel she’s a harsh marker. Like you think you passed and don’t

    mod
    Pls do not criticise examiners here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭ahhhhhFE1s


    I passed it last sitting first time and not sure if there is any special formula, definitely harder to pass than other exams.. All I can think is have a look at some of the smaller topics like quisteclose and dmc, a wide range covered makes it an easier exam, she mentions a few things over again in her reports that people consistently get wrong, some off the top of my head- recent cases for contracts for specific performance Ahmed v HSE i believe, new definitions for charitable trusts in 2009 Act and how the cy pres doctrine comes into effect.. Not sure if that is any help!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭user115


    ahhhhhFE1s wrote: »
    I passed it last sitting first time and not sure if there is any special formula, definitely a harder marker than other exams.. All I can think is have a look at some of the smaller topics like quisteclose and dmc, a wide range covered makes it an easier exam, she mentions a few things over again in her reports that people consistently get wrong, some off the top of my head- recent cases for contracts for specific performance Ahmed v HSE i believe, new definitions for charitable trusts in 2009 Act and how the cy pres doctrine comes into effect.. Not sure if that is any help!!

    Does the 2009 Act introduce new definitions? I thought the definitions were the same as under the Comm for Income Tax V Pemsel and that all the previous case law remained relevant. Ya from reports it seems equity is a case of really having to answer exactly what is asked.

    In the video with NBN they say also to know purpose trusts with charitable and cypres, I must go back and look at that, haven't a clue about purpose trusts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭ahhhhhFE1s


    user115 wrote: »
    Does the 2009 Act introduce new definitions? I thought the definitions were the same as under the Comm for Income Tax V Pemsel and that all the previous case law remained relevant. Ya from reports it seems equity is a case of really having to answer exactly what is asked.

    Just meant the changes brought in by the 2009 Act, awhile since I looked at it but public policy and new considerations for poverty I think? Just to know what the 2009 Act changed in relation to charitable trusts


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 17 Law000


    Is Habeas Corpus still a law in Ireland? My notes say it’s under Art 40.4.2 but it seems to get gone from the Constitution!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭godfather2


    Law000 wrote: »
    Is Habeas Corpus still a law in Ireland? My notes say it’s under Art 40.4.2 but it seems to get gone from the Constitution!?

    Yes. It's just that the term is not used here. Application to challenge the validity of continued detention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Locus Standi is a cert for this constitutional exam lads, I can feel it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭user115


    Locus Standi is a cert for this constitutional exam lads, I can feel it!

    My heart would sink if it didn't appear.

    I think liberty is also very topical there was a good few cases in 2019 alone on the topic, Finnegan, AB V St Lomans, AM V HSE and AC V UCH.....like it has to be up.

    I think Constit could be okay but then again you never know til your in there. I would think constit inter, locus standi, AG/President, liberty and/or fair procedures and then you have privacy, property and SOP that are always up I'm kinda bit slow to do more but very worried I'll regret it if I don't...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭Louis Litt


    user115 wrote: »
    My heart would sink if it didn't appear.

    I think liberty is also very topical there was a good few cases in 2019 alone on the topic, Finnegan, AB V St Lomans, AM V HSE and AC V UCH.....like it has to be up.

    I think Constit could be okay but then again you never know til your in there. I would think constit inter, locus standi, AG/President, liberty and/or fair procedures and then you have privacy, property and SOP that are always up I'm kinda bit slow to do more but very worried I'll regret it if I don't...

    Are you thinking Con interp and AG/President to both come up?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 17 Law000


    Is fair procedures the same as trial in due course of law!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Law000 wrote: »
    Is fair procedures the same as trial in due course of law!?

    No, they're separate topics. 2 main principles are audi alterem partem and nemo iudex causa sua, sometimes it's called natural justice in the manuals.

    Key case is Shatter v Guerin, also P v Minister for Justice


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 tommyq94


    Does anyone have any up to date notes on Liberty they would be willing to share?

    I can trade you my 14 page final notes on Constitutional!


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