Transportation of Ammo.

Zxthinger · 29-02-2020 4:26pm #1

It seems that joe bloggs now needs to store ammo in locked box when transporting it in the car and that it's to be kept separate from the firearm.

Does a locked glove box meet the standard.

eoin.d · 29-02-2020 6:56pm

Zxthinger wrote: »

It seems that joe bloggs now needs to store ammo in locked box when transporting it in the car and that it's to be kept separate from the firearm.

Does a locked glove box meet the standard.

From what i understand a locked glove box is perfectly fine.
I dont understand does this mean you need to have gun in the boot and not in backseat

tudderone · 29-02-2020 9:08pm

What a pointless rule or law or whatever it is. A glovebox in most cars is about as difficult to get into as a crisp packet.

clivej · 29-02-2020 9:18pm

So ammo in a locked box on the front or back seat and the firearm in the boot is OK??

BattleCorp · 29-02-2020 9:22pm

clivej wrote: »

So ammo in a locked box on the front or back seat and the firearm in the boot is OK??

Yep.

cavan shooter · 29-02-2020 11:01pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

Yep.

That's what most of us are doing, some lads have toolboxes with combination locks, some have ammo cans, I know a man who made a box out of timber. Guns and gear in boot covered with jacket ammo in seat well back seat. It's a fuk3d up ball of sh1t.

Zxthinger · 01-03-2020 12:04am

Better off walking the distance with the gun in your shoulder. Ffs. Such bull

Grizzly 45 · 01-03-2020 1:55am

eoin.d wrote: »

From what i understand a locked glove box is perfectly fine.
I dont understand does this mean you need to have gun in the boot and not in backseat

Nope you can have the gun in the backseat, solong as it is in a locked gunslip,or in the boot.

Grizzly 45 · 01-03-2020 1:59am

cavan shooter wrote: »

That's what most of us are doing, some lads have toolboxes with combination locks, some have ammo cans, I know a man who made a box out of timber. Guns and gear in boot covered with jacket ammo in seat well back seat. It's a fuk3d up ball of sh1t.

Nice but overkill. ..You could use your range bag with your ammo in it and put a cheap 50 cent xmas crackers lock on it and be coverd.All this is doing is trying to prevent casual theft of guns and ammo. If theivs can bypass and steal your high end alarmed and immobilised car in 60 secs or less these days....How long will a mild steel box containing your gun and ammo survive?

cookimonster · 01-03-2020 2:59am

IMO, this is not a new level of 'security' for transporting ammo and firearms in a car.

This, again only my opinion, is part of anti poaching measures. If lads are stopped with rifles in the passenger compartment and unsecured ammo, say at night time under suspicious circumstances, well now the Guards have something to charge them with. Realisticly why would honest hunters be driving around with guns at the ready wheather loaded or not?

And again, realistically, what level of security does a 'box' regardless of its locking mechanism, design or constriction, offer? ..... Nil.
If it can be picked up and carried away then all sense of security is voided...... for feck sake look at cash machines.

This stupid reg is in fact a simple and practical way of sticking it to the bad guys.

cavan shooter · 01-03-2020 1:54pm

cookimonster wrote: »

IMO, this is not a new level of 'security' for transporting ammo and firearms in a car.

This, again only my opinion, is part of anti poaching measures. If lads are stopped with rifles in the passenger compartment and unsecured ammo, say at night time under suspicious circumstances, well now the Guards have something to charge them with. Realisticly why would honest hunters be driving around with guns at the ready wheather loaded or not?

And again, realistically, what level of security does a 'box' regardless of its locking mechanism, design or constriction, offer? ..... Nil.
If it can be picked up and carried away then all sense of security is voided...... for feck sake look at cash machines.

This stupid reg is in fact a simple and practical way of sticking it to the bad guys.

Because I've just come out of a field with a drain after shooting two ducks. I've my automatic and a shooting jacket with 15 cartridges in it. According to the new law I have to decant all these shells into a lockable receptacle, Which is bollox so I can now, drive to my next spot get out unlock the receptacle load up my vest and off to trapse a drain. Nobody thinks this **** through...........so you stop the honest hunter to catch a poacher, who because he doesn't care about the law really doesn't give a flying Fluck.

cookimonster · 01-03-2020 2:47pm

cavan shooter wrote: »

.....shooting jacket with 15 cartridges in it......

Stick the vest or jacket in a bag with a small padlock on the zipper.

a lockable receptacle,

No definition of 'a lockable receptacle,' under the terms of the instruction.

so you stop the honest hunter to catch a poacher, who because he doesn't care about the law really doesn't give a flying Fluck.

You miss the point, anyone who is willing to disregard social norms, common sense and the law of the land never gives a feck, they are that way inclined, regardless of convention or legislations.
But now there is something in place to deal with those who are willing to break other laws or infringe on other peoples safety!

The issue here is the penalty imposed on those willing to break the law. If its a slap on the knuckles and be off with you attitude then YES, I agree with you it's a PITA for honest hunters.

But remember it wasn't a few isolated instances of careless gun ownership in regards to storage etc that brought in the security of firearms regs. It was wholesale incompetence by firearm owners across the nation that prompted the powers to be to act. I still stand by my statement about poaching but I would add that, compliance by us, responsible and law abiding gun owers, is not really a big issue for our day to day hunting activity. Regardless of how futile the process of securing said firearms and ammo, be thankful they didn't go to town on us and start issuing minimum security standards on us via proper security boxs or God forbid 'safes'. Be seen to do It and this may be the end of it, a little inforced law, just waiting to nail a bad guy.

Grizzly 45 · 01-03-2020 2:59pm

cookimonster wrote: »

Stick the vest or jacket in a bag with a small padlock on the zipper.

No definition of 'a lockable receptacle,' under the terms of the instruction.

You miss the point, anyone who is willing to disregard social norms, common sense and the law of the land never gives a feck, they are that way inclined, regardless of convention or legislations.
But now there is something in place to deal with those who are willing to break other laws or infringe on other peoples safety!

The issue here is the penalty imposed on those willing to break the law. If its a slap on the knuckles and be off with you attitude then YES, I agree with you it's a PITA for honest hunters.

But remember it wasn't a few isolated instances of careless gun ownership in regards to storage etc that brought in the security of firearms regs. It was wholesale incompetence by firearm owners across the nation that prompted the powers to be to act. I still stand by my statement about poaching but I would add that, compliance by us, responsible and law abiding gun owers, is not really a big issue for our day to day hunting activity. Regardless of how futile the process of securing said firearms and ammo, be thankful they didn't go to town on us and start issuing minimum security standards on us via proper security boxs or God forbid 'safes'. Be seen to do It and this may be the end of it, a little inforced law, just waiting to nail a bad guy.

You can all thank our betters in Europe for this!
As this is std legislation and has been for years nowin most continental countries.However they do make exceptions for you if like said you are going from one piece of your let to another via a public road.Or driving on a public road that runs in your let with a loaded gun.So hopefully some cop on would be used by AGS in cases like this.

Grizzly 45 · 01-03-2020 3:06pm

cavan shooter wrote: »

Because I've just come out of a field with a drain after shooting two ducks. I've my automatic and a shooting jacket with 15 cartridges in it. According to the new law I have to decant all these shells into a lockable receptacle, Which is bollox so I can now, drive to my next spot get out unlock the receptacle load up my vest and off to trapse a drain. Nobody thinks this **** through...........so you stop the honest hunter to catch a poacher, who because he doesn't care about the law really doesn't give a flying Fluck.

If your jacket has a deep poachers pocket .Modify with a lockable zipper with a small padlock. Dump shells or belt into it ,lock it with a euro shop or cheap suit case lock....Boom! you are done.

cavan shooter · 01-03-2020 5:03pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

You can all thank our betters in Europe for this!
As this is std legislation and has been for years now in most continental countries.However they do make exceptions for you if like said you are going from one piece of your let to another via a public road.Or driving on a public road that runs in your let with a loaded gun.So hopefully some cop on would be used by AGS in cases like this.

You would hope cop on will come into it but I doubt it. If there was cop on it would have covered an exemption for small amounts of ammo. I like the bag bit, but we already have gun dealers up our way telling lads you need a safe for your car.

The pigeon man · 01-03-2020 5:32pm

If your next permission is close just unload the gun and walk up the road with it.

It saves the hassle of having to lock ammo and put the gun in a slip.

Grizzly 45 · 01-03-2020 6:47pm

cavan shooter wrote: »

You would hope cop on will come into it but I doubt it. If there was cop on it would have covered an exemption for small amounts of ammo

Distance would be better .IOW say,you have to cross a public road thats bisecting your shoot,or going no further than one kilometer between your shoots.Or that you can load. drive along a public road for the distance of the lamds you shoot over.
Well no point in us B&Ming amongst ourselves about this lads.Ye do pay annual mmembership dues to folks like NARGC,etc...Let them you you are unhappy with this and want changes made.

I like the bag bit, but we already have gun dealers up our way telling lads you need a safe for your car.

Full of Sht that..But cant blame them either I suppose to tryand make a few quid off it either.

slipperyox · 01-03-2020 9:13pm

Any link for the source of this legislation?

cookimonster · 01-03-2020 9:55pm

slipperyox wrote: »

Any link for the source of this legislation?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2019/si/420/made/en/print

Zxthinger · 01-03-2020 9:56pm

So, i stick my 5 rounds in my magizine and lock it in the glove box. And I'm covered.. as long as the guns in the boot or in a bag.

slipperyox · 01-03-2020 10:28pm

"Transport of relevant firearm or ammunition for relevant firearm

4C. Subject to Regulation 4D, a holder or an excepted person shall, when transporting the relevant firearm or ammunition for the relevant firearm in a vehicle, ensure that -

(a) the relevant firearm is-

(i) concealed from view, and

(ii) stored separately from the ammunition, and

(b) the ammunition is stored in a receptacle that is locked."

A car could be considered a receptacle that is locked.
Or it could be stored in the back of a pickup in a locked box:rolleyes:

cavan shooter · 01-03-2020 10:56pm

The more you read it the more it's a joke.

cookimonster · 02-03-2020 12:14am

:rolleyes:

slipperyox wrote: »

"Transport of relevant firearm or ammunition for relevant firearm.....

(a) the relevant firearm is-

(i) concealed from view, and

(ii) stored separately from the ammunition, and

(b) the ammunition is stored in a receptacle that is locked."

A car could be considered a receptacle that is locked.
Or it could be stored in the back of a pickup in a locked box:rolleyes:

So if you consider your car the locked receptacle, then in line with the Regs you've two choices:

A. Secure your firearm incognito to the outside of your vechile, now being deemed the 'locked receptacle'.

Or

B. Give it to your mate so he can carry it in his car for you.

:rolleyes::p:)

Me thinks its easier to keep the ammo in a locked receptacle (leave the interpretation to you) and feck it in the boot along side your firearm stored in its comfty slip, case or what ever rocks your boat as to a method of routinely carrying/transporting your firearm around during your shoiting/hunting activities.

The final day of the season has passed and already we are getting bored,.... time for some vermin control to take our minds off some petty little reg that, lets face facts, should not bother us.

clivej · 02-03-2020 9:55am

slipperyox wrote: »

"Transport of relevant firearm or ammunition for relevant firearm

4C. Subject to Regulation 4D, a holder or an excepted person shall, when transporting the relevant firearm or ammunition for the relevant firearm in a vehicle, ensure that -

(a) the relevant firearm is-

(i) concealed from view, and

(ii) stored separately from the ammunition, and

(b) the ammunition is stored in a receptacle that is locked."

A car could be considered a receptacle that is locked.
Or it could be stored in the back of a pickup in a locked box: rolleyes:

So reading the 'Letter of the Law'

Can I keep my firearm in the locked boot alongside the ammo it uses or must they be separated?

Is the car boot not a 'Locked Receptacle'? So by putting the ammo in the boot, not in a box, in compliance?

Vegeta · 02-03-2020 10:38am

clivej wrote: »

So reading the 'Letter of the Law'

Can I keep my firearm in the locked boot alongside the ammo it uses or must they be separated?

Is the car boot not a 'Locked Receptacle'? So by putting the ammo in the boot, not in a box, in compliance?

All depends Clive, god only knows what the interpretation of "stored separately" means when in front of a judge.

BattleCorp · 02-03-2020 11:19am

clivej wrote: »

So reading the 'Letter of the Law'

Can I keep my firearm in the locked boot alongside the ammo it uses or must they be separated?

Is the car boot not a 'Locked Receptacle'? So by putting the ammo in the boot, not in a box, in compliance?

If your ammo is in a locked receptacle in the boot and your firearm is in the boot, they are both stored separately (that's my thinking anyway).

I would consider them stored together if the ammo was inside the gun or gun slip/case but not if the ammo was in a different locked box.

If a glove box could be considered a locked receptacle, I don't see how a car boot would be treated differently. I'd say you would be in trouble if your gun and ammo were loose in the boot.

But that's only my thinking on the matter, who knows if the Gardai or a Judge would think differently.

solarwinds · 02-03-2020 12:11pm

"But that's only my thinking on the matter, who knows if the Gardai or a Judge would think differently."

And there is the problem, 10 people will give 10 different views/interpretations and who is right ?.It is not defined accurately enough. In your opinion you have complied with the law, ammo locked in glove box firearm in the boot. But you get the wrong Judge or AGS member and they will be of the opinion you should have steel safes bolted into your car.
No adequate definitions on what anything is as usual.

Asus1 · 02-03-2020 1:09pm

Id just pick up something like this if your heading out hunting.Enough room for a load of shells or bullets and it can be padlocked.

https://www.halfords.ie/tools/storage/tool-boxes/222908.html
I got a box from decathlon that holds 8 boxes of shells for €9 ill try find link.Buy either and id say your covering your arse.

p28559 · 02-03-2020 1:23pm

i believe there is a wider context in that the general non shooting/hunting public, are not famililar with firearms. they think of what they see on the telly and hear about on crime reports of gun seized from crime gangs. if, in my opinion , the minor requirements to keep the gun in its slip in the boot and the ammo in a bag/box under the seat allows the public to feel that there is a process which keeps them safer it is a good thing.

vague descriptions are great as it allows for a defense if the reasonably application is deemed unsatisfactory by a garda .....bare in mind these are the same lads who mostly can't tell the difference between a .22 rimfire or centrefire....lets get that expert witness on the stand to hear the wide knowledge of "locked receptacle" and firearms in general

cookimonster · 02-03-2020 1:50pm

[QUOTE=Asus1;112701821]I got a box from decathlon that holds 8 boxes of shells for €9 ill try find link.Buy either and id say your covering your arse.[/QUOTE]

https://www.decathlon.co.uk/case-for-375-cartridges-id_8227500.html

https://www.decathlon.co.uk/case-for-200-cartridges-id_8156630.html

This is what I have for rifle ammo or enough cartridges for rough shoot.

I have plastic artillery ammo cases that fit slabs of cartridges, but to be honest, I couldn't be bothered thinkering with it fitting locks, I think 375 box will do me for the coming pigeon shooting..... by the time you finish farting around with hard ware it would be cheeper to spend the money on the shop bought one.

Asus1 · 02-03-2020 2:32pm

Heres the decathlon link same as above only link to Irish site.Its a really strong case will last a long time if not abused and can be locked without modification.
https://www.decathlon.ie/ie_en/storage-case-for-200-cartridges-en-s10511.html

cavan shooter · 02-03-2020 2:36pm

Asus1 wrote: »

Heres the decathlon link same as above only link to Irish site.Its a really strong case will last a long time if not abused and can be locked without modification.
https://www.decathlon.ie/ie_en/storage-case-for-200-cartridges-en-s10511.html

You cant beat Decathlon for value...

on the interpretation side its a shocking minefield.

Asus1 · 02-03-2020 2:40pm

cavan shooter wrote: »

You cant beat Decathlon for value...

on the interpretation side its a shocking minefield.

Cant wait for it to open in Dublin.Some of the clothes seem great value but like you say their description of clothes and sizes makes it hard to trust ordering anything from them.

no_4 · 02-03-2020 5:05pm

i have same one and its huge, more than enough space for cartridges, a light jacket, water etc

Asus1 wrote: »

Id just pick up something like this if your heading out hunting.Enough room for a load of shells or bullets and it can be padlocked.

https://www.halfords.ie/tools/storage/tool-boxes/222908.html
I got a box from decathlon that holds 8 boxes of shells for €9 ill try find link.Buy either and id say your covering your arse.

no_4 · 02-03-2020 5:07pm

i transport in locked cartridge box and gun concealed in a gun slip , both in the boot, and i know other clubmen (a few of them members of AGS) who do exactly the same; for additional security you can put the trigger lock on your rifle while driving to/from your shoot.

Grizzly 45 · 02-03-2020 7:00pm

solarwinds wrote: »

"But that's only my thinking on the matter, who knows if the Gardai or a Judge would think differently."

And there is the problem, 10 people will give 10 different views/interpretations and who is right ?.It is not defined accurately enough. In your opinion you have complied with the law, ammo locked in glove box firearm in the boot. But you get the wrong Judge or AGS member and they will be of the opinion you should have steel safes bolted into your car.
No adequate definitions on what anything is as usual.

They have to go with what the law says too.A locked receptable,is open to definition.if it said,a" lockable steel container of no less than 6mm thick with secure boltage points to no less than 4 points of the vechicle and locks of no less a BS std of XYZ123"...THEN they would have somthing to gripe and charge you about,but not this.

Guys,do not overthink this!!!:) You do not need to go getting safes and whatnot.its a deterrent legislation and really a placebo at that too.Someone nicks your car/truck these days. A safe,no matter how well built isnt going to stop a car breaker ring. Anything that is lockable and seperates your gun from its ammo is good enough.

cavan shooter · 03-03-2020 9:33pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

They have to go with what the law says too.A locked receptable,is open to definition.if it said,a" lockable steel container of no less than 6mm thick with secure boltage points to no less than 4 points of the vechicle and locks of no less a BS std of XYZ123"...THEN they would have somthing to gripe and charge you about,but not this.

Guys,do not overthink this!!!:) You do not need to go getting safes and whatnot.its a deterrent legislation and really a placebo at that too.Someone nicks your car/truck these days. A safe,no matter how well built isnt going to stop a car breaker ring. Anything that is lockable and seperates your gun from its ammo is good enough.

The cops in Cavan are looking for anyone that is licensing a gun even substitutions to bring there secure lock box to the station.....only heard that today...so it looks as if the interpretation has started.

Grizzly 45 · 04-03-2020 1:25am

cavan shooter wrote: »

The cops in Cavan are looking for anyone that is licensing a gun even substitutions to bring there secure lock box to the station.....only heard that today...so it looks as if the interpretation has started.

I would tell the Cavan cops to pee off and stop exceeding their authorithy! And if they want to be thick about it ...Show us exactly where in the legislation that grants them that authorithy to inspect "lockable receptables",and if they want they can explain it in front of a district court judge how they have decided to interpert the law.
You gotta bite back at this sort of carry on,otherwise they will start taking liberties with you.

The pigeon man · 04-03-2020 1:57am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I would tell the Cavan cops to pee off and stop exceeding their authorithy! And if they want to be thick about it ...Show us exactly where in the legislation that grants them that authorithy to inspect "lockable receptables",and if they want they can explain it in front of a district court judge how they have decided to interpert the law.
You gotta bite back at this sort of carry on,otherwise they will start taking liberties with you.

Is there anything in law that allows them to inspect your safe? This seems to be common practice.

slipperyox · 04-03-2020 8:54am

The pigeon man wrote: »

Is there anything in law that allows them to inspect your safe? This seems to be common practice.

You allow them.

Vampires and Guards must be invited into your home:)

Grizzly 45 · 04-03-2020 11:13am

The pigeon man wrote: »

Is there anything in law that allows them to inspect your safe? This seems to be common practice.

In your house yes,not an ammo receptacle when you are travelling,and deciding arbitrarily whats suitable in their eyes, and as for the legislation of seperate secure ammo storage.Well,it might be abit difficult dragging your lockable dresser or wardrobe down the the garda station.

kowloon · 05-03-2020 5:30pm

Aren't laws supposed to define practically everything to ensure they're easy to apply and require minimal interpretation? Our laws are written by a ****wit with a crayon. The locked receptacle could be a woolly sock with a padlock stuck through it.

PSXDupe · 06-03-2020 8:45am

So much moaning, you get a small safe for €20, a couple of strong u-bolts, €5. Bolt the safe to the tie downs in the boot of your car, you're done. I've seen guys buy guns worth €1000s and then complain about spending a €100s on a safe.

One round in the wrong hands in one round too many, be that 22LR, Shotgun Shell. It takes two minute to lock the ammo into the boot.

As other have also mentioned, the law may have also been introduced to give the Gardai more powers if they find people doing what they shouldn't be doing. Which everyone has to agree is better for the good guys (ie. us).

So really, it's a cheap price to increase security and also protect the law abiding shooters.

no_4 · 06-03-2020 9:55am

i agree with a lot of what you say, especially the issue of expensive guns and not wanting to buy safes, ; except that a lot of guys will shoot 20+ boxes cartridges in a day and thats a sizeable safe in a boot! not to mention heavy . an approved ammo safe to IS/BS standard will not cost 20€ , it will be closer to starting at €60-80.
again, thats small beans in the overall context if it keeps us on the right side of the law.......
the issue that worries most shooters most, cost wise is the lead ban/steel proofing of guns; a lot of older guns wil be scrapped when that comes in and the cost of steel will be higher than lead

PSXDupe wrote: »

So much moaning, you get a small safe for €20, a couple of strong u-bolts, €5. Bolt the safe to the tie downs in the boot of your car, you're done. I've seen guys buy guns worth €1000s and then complain about spending a €100s on a safe.

One round in the wrong hands in one round too many, be that 22LR, Shotgun Shell. It takes two minute to lock the ammo into the boot.

As other have also mentioned, the law may have also been introduced to give the Gardai more powers if they find people doing what they shouldn't be doing. Which everyone has to agree is better for the good guys (ie. us).

So really, it's a cheap price to increase security and also protect the law abiding shooters.

PSXDupe · 06-03-2020 10:12am

Nowhere does it say that the container needs to be to BS/IS standard. So you will easily pickup a safe, that will hold enough ammo and weight no more than a case of beer.

I know this because I have it done, and the guy next door is the CPO for the area, he confirmed it is more than complies with the regulation.

To be honest, out of all the shooter out there I would say a very, very small percentage will shoot 500 shells in a day. Plus you need to also consider rifle shooters and pistol shooters.

Again someone picking an exception that will impact 1%-2% of the shooters but the law is also there for the remaining 98%, 100-200 shells, or maybe a person that shoots 200,300,400 rounds in the rifle or pistol.

Time to unfollow this one.

no_4 · 06-03-2020 10:43am

why go to trouble of making a good case for safety and law, by buying and installing a safe, if you dont buy a good quality, secure safe, something with at least 6mm steel for example?

i know its possible to buy a safe for 20€ , but i also know its very easy to open one like that; using that logic you would be as well off putting a padlock on a fishing tackle box! so is your motive, real gun safety or 'ticking the box'?

also i dont know where you got your % rates from, i know some hunters (culling pests) , shop owners, and club members that store ammo for their family members who regularly store 500+ in a car boot going to a shoot.
they are the minority for sure but i really doubt its the 1-2% you stated

PSXDupe wrote: »

Nowhere does it say that the container needs to be to BS/IS standard. So you will easily pickup a safe, that will hold enough ammo and weight no more than a case of beer.

I know this because I have it done, and the guy next door is the CPO for the area, he confirmed it is more than complies with the regulation.

To be honest, out of all the shooter out there I would say a very, very small percentage will shoot 500 shells in a day. Plus you need to also consider rifle shooters and pistol shooters.

Again someone picking an exception that will impact 1%-2% of the shooters but the law is also there for the remaining 98%, 100-200 shells, or maybe a person that shoots 200,300,400 rounds in the rifle or pistol.

Time to unfollow this one.

PSXDupe · 06-03-2020 11:05am

You're missing the point altogether, but each to their own.

Grizzly 45 · 06-03-2020 11:56am

I will give your safe whether it is a lidil special or some customised 2000 euro draw thing in the back of your "Wange Wover"all of about 30 to 60 secs if your car / Truck is stolen by a East bloc chop gang.They now have your car an gun,and no 4mm mild steel box will stop them.If they have bypassed your immobiliser and alarm in 60 secs.
Europe has had this for decades and any gunowners and authorities over there knows that this is a placebo and a fig leaf to security.All this does is prevent your local opportunistic "Gert" from doing a quick snatch of your openly left about ammo in the back of your vechicle.
Also dont you think it is rather dumb to be going on about this as being too lax HERE???Its about the only good break we got in this POS legislation, and it seems we want to now throw that away as well.ðŸ˜¡ðŸ˜¡.
If you really want to do somthing worthwhile for your security .Buy a 30 euro GSM car tracker on Ebay which are the exact same that are being sold here for 300 plus euros in some car security shops and hardwire it in a concealed location in your car and put the software on your phone ,so you can track ans alert AGS as to where your guns and car is going.Be 100% more useful and practical.

rsole1 · 06-03-2020 10:36pm

If I go to the range with 100 22lr they have to be in a lockable container? Can I not just put them in my pocket?

Zxthinger · 06-03-2020 10:38pm

Anyway. I'm using an old drill box which is lockable.

clivej · 07-03-2020 9:51am

rsole1 wrote: »

If I go to the range with 100 22lr they have to be in a lockable container? Can I not just put them in my pocket?

As long as you're in the "lockable" container, >>> make sure you car doors are locked.

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