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Ionity charging network

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  • #1652
    tw0nk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭tw0nk


    JPA wrote: »
    As said that is an Ionity issue not a Tesla issue. At 9 % you should be 100+ at least.
    Is this a widely known issue JPA? I was gonna use the ESB one beside it but it's really expensive @0.33 per kw


  • #1653
    Irishjg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 223 ✭✭Irishjg


    https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/a8l2c7/this_is_terrible_first_time_coldweather/


  • #1654
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,518 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Irishjg wrote: »
    https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/a8l2c7/this_is_terrible_first_time_coldweather/

    That is a different case, starting at highish state of charge. Cold battery and high soc is a bad combination.


  • #1655
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Kramer


    Irishjg wrote: »
    The lack of a heat pump which works very well at average Irish winter temps hits the ROC also.

    How does the lack of a heat pump hit the rate of charge?


  • #1656
    Irishjg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 223 ✭✭Irishjg


    Kramer wrote: »
    How does the lack of a heat pump hit the rate of charge?

    It can transfer additional heat into the battery pack if required.


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  • #1657
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Kramer


    Irishjg wrote: »
    It can transfer additional heat into the battery pack if required.

    As can a resistive heater or Tesla's own system of energising the motor(s). Both of these methods operate efficiently over a large temperature range, unlike a heat pump, which would be next to useless in sub zero temperatures.
    Obviously, this is usually where there is an issue with reduced charging rates.

    I've never heard anyone call for a heat pump in a Tesla to improve cold charging rates - IIRC they can generate up to 7kW energising the motors alone.


  • #1658
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Kramer


    tw0nk wrote: »
    I was gonna use the ESB one beside it but it's really expensive @0.33 per kw

    In a recent poll, 2 out of 3 were in favour of charges higher than €0.33/kWh.

    What's reasonable for charging for charging?

    Some actually espoused charges of up to €1/kWh & made their opinions known to Ecars :D.


  • #1659
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Kramer wrote: »
    In a recent poll, 2 out of 3 were in favour of charges higher than €0.33/kWh.

    What's reasonable for charging for charging?

    Some actually espoused charges of up to €1/kWh & made their opinions known to Ecars :D.

    Uhh that poll shows 2 out of 3 were in favour of 25c/kWh or less.


  • #1660
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Kramer


    liamog wrote: »
    Uhh that poll shows 2 out of 3 were in favour of 25c/kWh or less.

    No it doesn't ;).
    Kramer wrote: »
    In a recent poll, 2 out of 3 were in favour of charges higher than €0.33/kWh.

    What's reasonable for charging for charging?


  • #1661
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,518 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Kramer wrote: »
    In a recent poll, 2 out of 3 were in favour of charges higher than €0.33/kWh.

    What's reasonable for charging for charging?

    Some actually espoused charges of up to €1/kWh & made their opinions known to Ecars :D.

    Only the top three poll options satisfy the criteria "higher than €0.33/kWh" and those options currently have 17/55 votes, or 31%.

    Technically, no assumptions can be made about the preferences for prices between the stated options. It is possible that 100% of people are in favour of free charging, or charging at one billion euros per kWh, but those options were not on the poll.


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  • #1662
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    17 of 56 said 25c/min
    21 of 56 said less than 25c/min

    So 38 of 56 said less than 25c/min.
    The eCars network is equipped with 50kW chargers, 25c/min is €15 per hour, or €15 per 50kWh which is 30c/kWh.

    So it can be inferred 67% approx 2/3 of people said charging should be at or below 30c/kWh.


  • #1663
    Irishjg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 223 ✭✭Irishjg


    Sorry I’m a bit confused ... did only 56 people respond to the survey we were sent before fees were introduced or was this a different questionnaire. If it is and only that many people responded that’s pretty abysmal.


  • #1664
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Irishjg wrote: »
    Sorry I’m a bit confused ... did only 56 people respond to the survey we were sent before fees were introduced or was this a different questionnaire. If it is and only that many people responded that’s pretty abysmal.

    I'm making the assumption that the poster linked to a boards.ie poll so that's probably the one they are talking about.

    Back to the topic of Ionity, I think if Tesla announced tomorrow that they were opening supercharger access to all people at 80c/kWh we'd all celebrate it as a progressive move. The only mistake I think the Ionity group manufactures are making is the monthly subscription. They should have included it the monthly figure in the purchase price of the car just like Tesla do.


  • #1665
    Black_Knight
    Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,731 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    zg3409 wrote: »
    I am sure the ChaDeMo users will thank you that you kept Ionity free....

    I did it again.

    Did spot a Suzuki 4x4 parked up at ionity, and a Nissan parked on a zebra crossing... But hey, I'm the bad guy.


  • #1666
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Kramer


    liamog wrote: »
    Uhh that poll shows 2 out of 3 were in favour of 25c/kWh or less.

    It didn't show that though........
    liamog wrote: »
    So it can be inferred 67% approx 2/3 of people said charging should be at or below 30c/kWh.

    How come you changed to 30c now :confused:.
    Did you spot your mistake? :D.

    At the time I posted & assuming most EVs could charge at 45kW max (they may be rated for 50kW but they don't output that to the car), at Ecars fast chargers (most can't even pull that, Renaults on AC, i3s, new Ioniq, older Leafs, many coldgating, tapering, PHEVs etc.), 65.39% had voted in favour of charging in excess of €0.33/kWh.

    Call me pedantic but I've been called worse :).

    Anyway, back on topic & I did notice a CCS equipped car cheekily using the Chademo charger in Cashel today. The owner was unbashful & knew there were abundant & available CCS chargers just a short walk away. He even knew they would charge his fancy CCS car more quickly but was adamant about his entitlement to use the Leaf charger. He was paying for it so..............:rolleyes:.

    Apologies to the Leaf owners - I did my best :D.


  • #1667
    JPA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,669 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    Kramer wrote: »

    Anyway, back on topic & I did notice a CCS equipped car cheekily using the Chademo charger in Cashel today. The owner was unbashful & knew there were abundant & available CCS chargers just a short walk away. He even knew they would charge his fancy CCS car more quickly but was adamant about his entitlement to use the Leaf charger. He was paying for it so..............:rolleyes:.

    Apologies to the Leaf owners - I did my best :D.

    But sure he wasn't using the chademo charger, silly thing to say.


  • #1668
    Black_Knight
    Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,731 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    JPA wrote: »
    But sure he wasn't using the chademo charger, silly thing to say.

    Stuck a cable tie on it just to be safe. ;)


  • #1669
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Kramer wrote: »
    At the time I posted & assuming most EVs could charge at 45kW max (they may be rated for 50kW but they don't output that to the car), at Ecars fast chargers (most can't even pull that, Renaults on AC, i3s, new Ioniq, older Leafs, many coldgating, tapering, PHEVs etc.), 65.39% had voted in favour of charging in excess of €0.33/kWh.

    You should go into politics with the ability to twist figures like that :P
    People were voting on what to pay per minute so any conclusions are suspect at best. They will output 50kW, you just have to bring the right car to the party. It's the same way Ionity are installing 175kW/350kW chargers, just because your car isn't capable doesn't mean the charger isn't.

    Drove by Kill North on the way home tonight, no sign of the hardware being installed yet for the charging points themselves.


  • #1670
    Irishjg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 223 ✭✭Irishjg


    Thanks for the update liamog ... these two units seem to be taking forever to get working.


  • #1671
    fricatus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭fricatus


    Used Ionity in Cashel for the first time yesterday with my "classic" Ioniq, using the Maingau card. Couldn't get over the speed! We plugged in, and by the time we had all ordered food and sat down to eat, we were already good to go, so I headed outside and moved, before coming back in to eat.

    It was busy enough - a Model 3 and a Kona were already there, and somebody in a fossil car moved so that I could get in.

    When we went back afterwards, all the stalls were ICEd. Only one person was with her car, the rest presumably inside breathing through their mouths and not washing their hands in the jacks! :mad:

    Can anyone tell me how Maingau bill? It was a pain getting it all set up, and I can't see my bank details in the app or online, but it left me charge, so presumably they know where to go to get the loot off me... :pac:


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  • #1672
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,345 ✭✭✭zg3409


    fricatus wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me how Maingau bill? It was a pain getting it all set up, and I can't see my bank details in the app or online, but it left me charge, so presumably they know where to go to get the loot off me... :pac:

    End of the month typically taken from bank


  • #1673
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,518 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    fricatus wrote: »
    When we went back afterwards, all the stalls were ICEd.
    I wonder whether a simple "solution" to the ICEing problem might be some "EV cones", i.e. green coloured traffic cones with an "Electric vehicles only" sign stuck on top.

    The burden of cone moving would fall on the EVers, but maybe that'd be a reasonable trade off.

    I like to think that ICEing is mostly inattention, it would take unusual arseholery to move a sign. I'm not sure I want to find out that I'm wrong.


  • #1674
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,576 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Kramer wrote: »
    It didn't show that though........



    How come you changed to 30c now :confused:.
    Did you spot your mistake? :D.

    At the time I posted & assuming most EVs could charge at 45kW max (they may be rated for 50kW but they don't output that to the car), at Ecars fast chargers (most can't even pull that, Renaults on AC, i3s, new Ioniq, older Leafs, many coldgating, tapering, PHEVs etc.), 65.39% had voted in favour of charging in excess of €0.33/kWh.

    Call me pedantic but I've been called worse :).

    Anyway, back on topic & I did notice a CCS equipped car cheekily using the Chademo charger in Cashel today. The owner was unbashful & knew there were abundant & available CCS chargers just a short walk away. He even knew they would charge his fancy CCS car more quickly but was adamant about his entitlement to use the Leaf charger. He was paying for it so..............:rolleyes:.

    Apologies to the Leaf owners - I did my best :D.
    I'm presuming you're being sarcastic given the tone...
    BUt if a chademo user actually has a problem here they need to admit they committed to the wrong DC plug and sell up and move on to something with CCS


  • #1675
    redcup342
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭redcup342


    Lumen wrote: »
    I wonder whether a simple "solution" to the ICEing problem might be some "EV cones", i.e. green coloured traffic cones with an "Electric vehicles only" sign stuck on top.

    The burden of cone moving would fall on the EVers, but maybe that'd be a reasonable trade off.

    I like to think that ICEing is mostly inattention, it would take unusual arseholery to move a sign. I'm not sure I want to find out that I'm wrong.

    Yep,

    This is fairly common that they have traffic cones, it's a nice tradeoff as someone really has to go to some effort to move the cones and it makes them think twice before being an a*hole


  • #1676
    Black_Knight
    Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,731 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I'm presuming you're being sarcastic given the tone...
    BUt if a chademo user actually has a problem here they need to admit they committed to the wrong DC plug and sell up and move on to something with CCS

    Yup. Twas me using the "chademo" charger, on CCS mind you. I'm in an Ioniq with family, so we need at least 25 minutes in Cashel anyways. M3 or eNiro might change my tune a bit, but that's just a dream at the moment.


  • #1677
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,576 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    If I have to pay for both I'll use Ionity of course, as its faster in my S by some margin
    However.... in Birdhill it's free, in Athlone its free, in Kinnegad its free, etc and there I use the free one.


  • #1678
    JPA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,669 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    Lumen wrote: »
    I wonder whether a simple "solution" to the ICEing problem might be some "EV cones", i.e. green coloured traffic cones with an "Electric vehicles only" sign stuck on top.

    The burden of cone moving would fall on the EVers, but maybe that'd be a reasonable trade off.

    I like to think that ICEing is mostly inattention, it would take unusual arseholery to move a sign. I'm not sure I want to find out that I'm wrong.

    I wonder what would happen if an ev parked in front of a pump for half an hour and wandered off for a coffee.


  • #1679
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,753 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    JPA wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen if an ev parked in front of a pump for half an hour and wandered off for a coffee.

    People's IQ tends to drop when they enter a busy forecourt regardless of what they're driving. There's no other logical explanation for the stuff I've seen people do regards parking around forecourts.


  • #1680
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Kramer


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Kramer...........I'm presuming you're being sarcastic given the tone...

    Me? Sarcastic? As Greta would say "how dare you" :P.
    :D
    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Yup. Twas me using the "chademo" charger, on CCS mind you.

    CCS scoundrel. Again, on behalf of all Chademo owners (Leaf especially), as Greta would say "how dare you" :P.

    CCS for the win!!!

    Agreed, I've seen the Cashel Ionity install fully ICE'd many times, almost every Sunday in particular.


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  • #1681
    [Deleted User]
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    It's a pity the charger leads are not long enough so you could block an ice in an ev space while charging.


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