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Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    The other half keeps the freezers constantly full - been telling her for ever if there is ever a zombie apocalypse we'll be sorted. Who'da thought...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    Anyone else notice the stock market fall today? Like 5% in Italy and 3% in most other developed markets, this could get messy

    5 days ago now. Yes it sure is getting messy.

    Night ladies and gentlemen, same time tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭the butcher


    Israeli passenger of the Diamond Princess cruise ship who was presumed to have recovered and released from quarantine has tested positive after returning home - Ynet/JP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    kenmc wrote: »
    So they're just unlucky in that 10% of the folk they happened to detect with the virus end up dead? And so many folk who transitted through Iran and brought the virus to Canada, Saudi Arabia, Iraq etc happened to bump into these few folk also? Fair enough, though least everything will be back to normal tomorrow so.

    No luck involved, someone with serious symptoms and people who are dead are more obvious than people with less symptoms.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Titclamp wrote: »
    No one believes that ****.

    Except for a significant number of people who post on this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    CDC has warned against all non essential travel to Italy due to widespread community transmission
    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/warning/coronavirus-italy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    That interview was frankly ridiculous. 6 Trillion wiped off the markets, the virus spreading to more countries every day including now Mexico City and Lagos, governments around the world warning people to prepare for the worst and yet the good old back slapping Irish establishment rounding the wagons and sending out one of their puppets on RTE for some good old PR.

    That interview reminded me of the day before the bank bailout when the government goons stood on the steps of Leinster House and told us everything was alright. The Irish never change

    well if keeps some old wans from panicking even for a few days at least i have no problem with it. what do you want exactly, for him to say "there's a good chance 10s of millions will die and there's nothing we can do about it" ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    Corona virus is the new Brexit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    froog wrote: »
    well if keeps some old wans from panicking even for a few days at least i have no problem with it. what do you want exactly, for him to say "there's a good chance 10s of millions will die and there's nothing we can do about it" ?

    Are these the same ones listening to LL on Monday ;)


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Israeli passenger of the Diamond Princess cruise ship who was presumed to have recovered and released from quarantine has tested positive after returning home - Ynet/JP


    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/1582902733-third-israeli-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-israel-after-recovering-at-japan-hospital
    Seven Israelis have been diagnosed with the coronavirus, the health ministry confirmed on Friday.

    One of those infected is a man who was on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship off Japan's coast was first hospitalized in Japan after falling ill to the coronavirus, and there he remained in quarantine.

    After being discharged from the hospital, he flew home to Israel where he again tested positive for coronavirus. The passenger flew to Israel on two commercial flights, both with Turkish Airlines: flight TK53 from Tokyo via Istanbul, and flight TK784 from Istanbul to Tel Aviv, which landed in Israel at 08:55, according to Jpost.


    So eh if you never truly get rid of this virus then mankind just made a huge mistake not locking down borders for a few weeks or even months after Wuhan was isolated. We may have just dropped our life expectancy quite a bit in combination with increasing the number of infertile men all while damaging our lung capacity, & kidneys. (round glass pneumonic changes - https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-update-boy-with-no-symptoms-suffers-lung-irregularities-c-669975 , "SCIENTISTS RAISE CONCERNS OVER POTENTIAL LINK BETWEEN CORONAVIRUS AND MALE FERTILITY" - https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-scientists-coronavirus-male-fertility-1488235 , acute kidney injury - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/ , cardiac injury and arrest, lung scarring - this can reduce your lung capacity permanently - https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/28/coronavirus-lungs-affects-body-12136009/ )

    Even Kids without symptoms or with barely any symptoms are still getting damage to their lungs. All of this has already been posted on the thread with links.
    A few months lockdown and the economic damage would have been worth avoiding a potential world changer.
    If only a few people relapse and maintain the virus in their bodies then, if this is ever eradicated, those people need to be shipping off to modern day leper colonies.

    Of course if you dont mind having no retirement none of this matters.

    ps the advice now from the HSE about self isolation if you get flu symptoms means you should have a couple of weeks worth of food to hand pretty much all the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Is Japan lying about the negative testing - like hell we aint looking after ye


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    yeah I'm drunk...its basically the only way i can read this thread from now on.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/1582902733-third-israeli-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-israel-after-recovering-at-japan-hospital




    So eh if you never truly get rid of this virus then mankind just made a huge mistake not locking down borders for a few weeks or even months after Wuhan was isolated. We may have just dropped our life expectancy quite a bit in combination with increasing the number of infertile men all while damaging our lung capacity, & kidneys.

    All those things are affected when you get this. Kids without symptoms or with barely any symptoms are still getting damage to their lungs. All of this has already been posted on the thread with links.

    A few months lockdown and the economic damage would have been worth avoiding this potential world changer.

    If only a few people relapse and maintain the virus in their bodies then if this is ever eradicated then those people need to be shipping off to modern day leper colonies.

    Of course if you dont mind having no retirement none of this matters.

    ps the advice now from the HSE about self isolation if you get flu symptoms means you should have a couple of weeks worth of food to hand pretty much all the time.
    I'm blue in the face from saying this to people who have been telling me since January that I'm obsessed with preparedness. I've always stockpiled food and supplies because I just like knowing I would be ready if anything kicked off. I replenished and actually overstocked our cupboards the last three weeks and I'm actually quite surprised other people may have started to do it as well. I really just feel that it's a sensible way to live where you can feel like you're secure.

    You're absolutely right about the life expectancy issue. If this, combined with poor quality air, is what my kids lungs are going to have to contend with before they splutter their dying breaths, I'm just not going to bother sadistically bringing life into the world to put them through that suffering. There's absolute global carnage at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    wakka12 wrote: »

    This made me giggle

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Is Iran lying ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Go Xi - Outside Hubei - 4 new cases and 2 deaths - Amazing!!!

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233551272692920325


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    fritzelly wrote: »
    Go Xi - Outside Hubei - 4 new cases and 2 deaths - Amazing!!!

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233551272692920325

    It sure sounds like dodgy numbers but if actually do get rid of it and the rest of the world doesnt then China will isolate on the world stage. Wouldnt blame them, after all they locked down half their population. 780 million plus.

    Those are the extremes we`d need to go to. Limiting the spread now (if that can still be done) would help and since we`ll need to lock down anyway.........the sooner the better really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    It sure sounds like dodgy numbers but if actually do get rid of it and the rest of the world doesnt then China will isolate on the world stage. Wouldnt blame them, after all they locked down half their population. 780 million plus.

    Those are the extremes we`d need to go to. Limiting the spread now (if that can still be done) would help and since we`ll need to lock down anyway.........the sooner the better really.

    Leo was on the phone to Xi - psst don't test and you have no cases, heard it here first

    It really is just unbelievable that there is only 4 new cases in the rest of China while Italy is the pariah of Europe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/1582902733-third-israeli-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-israel-after-recovering-at-japan-hospital




    So eh if you never truly get rid of this virus then mankind just made a huge mistake not locking down borders for a few weeks or even months after Wuhan was isolated. We may have just dropped our life expectancy quite a bit in combination with increasing the number of infertile men all while damaging our lung capacity, & kidneys. (round glass pneumonic changes - https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-update-boy-with-no-symptoms-suffers-lung-irregularities-c-669975 , "SCIENTISTS RAISE CONCERNS OVER POTENTIAL LINK BETWEEN CORONAVIRUS AND MALE FERTILITY" - https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-scientists-coronavirus-male-fertility-1488235 , acute kidney injury - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/ , cardiac injury and arrest, lung scarring - this can reduce your lung capacity permanently - https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/28/coronavirus-lungs-affects-body-12136009/ )

    Even Kids without symptoms or with barely any symptoms are still getting damage to their lungs. All of this has already been posted on the thread with links.
    A few months lockdown and the economic damage would have been worth avoiding a potential world changer.
    If only a few people relapse and maintain the virus in their bodies then, if this is ever eradicated, those people need to be shipping off to modern day leper colonies.

    Of course if you dont mind having no retirement none of this matters.

    ps the advice now from the HSE about self isolation if you get flu symptoms means you should have a couple of weeks worth of food to hand pretty much all the time.
    But at least the money kept flowing for an extra week....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/1582902733-third-israeli-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-israel-after-recovering-at-japan-hospital




    So eh if you never truly get rid of this virus then mankind just made a huge mistake not locking down borders for a few weeks or even months after Wuhan was isolated. We may have just dropped our life expectancy quite a bit in combination with increasing the number of infertile men all while damaging our lung capacity, & kidneys. (round glass pneumonic changes - https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-update-boy-with-no-symptoms-suffers-lung-irregularities-c-669975 , "SCIENTISTS RAISE CONCERNS OVER POTENTIAL LINK BETWEEN CORONAVIRUS AND MALE FERTILITY" - https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-scientists-coronavirus-male-fertility-1488235 , acute kidney injury - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/ , cardiac injury and arrest, lung scarring - this can reduce your lung capacity permanently - https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/28/coronavirus-lungs-affects-body-12136009/ )

    Even Kids without symptoms or with barely any symptoms are still getting damage to their lungs. All of this has already been posted on the thread with links.
    A few months lockdown and the economic damage would have been worth avoiding a potential world changer.
    If only a few people relapse and maintain the virus in their bodies then, if this is ever eradicated, those people need to be shipping off to modern day leper colonies.

    Of course if you dont mind having no retirement none of this matters.

    ps the advice now from the HSE about self isolation if you get flu symptoms means you should have a couple of weeks worth of food to hand pretty much all the time.

    There's an awful lot of mights and maybes in your links. For good reason. Nobody has any reliable idea of the long term effects of this virus yet. Which is not surprising, as nobody has any idea what's going to happen tomorrow either. Idle speculation is unhelpful.
    I'm blue in the face from saying this to people who have been telling me since January that I'm obsessed with preparedness. I've always stockpiled food and supplies because I just like knowing I would be ready if anything kicked off. I replenished and actually overstocked our cupboards the last three weeks and I'm actually quite surprised other people may have started to do it as well. I really just feel that it's a sensible way to live where you can feel like you're secure.

    You're absolutely right about the life expectancy issue. If this, combined with poor quality air, is what my kids lungs are going to have to contend with before they splutter their dying breaths, I'm just not going to bother sadistically bringing life into the world to put them through that suffering. There's absolute global carnage at the moment.

    This is not an over reaction at all.

    Incidentally, bar some pockets of anomalies over a few years here and there, every single long term trend, on a whole world basis, for every conceivable quality of life measure is positive and has been since the end of WWII. The bad things are all reducing: poverty, famine, starvation. The good and "good" increasing: access to clean drinking water, obesity, life expectancy, electricity connections, access to pointless technology which allows for the posting of hysteria on teh interwebs, etc.

    Although perhaps it's better for the rest of us and our children when the tin-foil hat brigade decide not to procreate.


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    tuxy wrote: »
    Why would they lie to make it look like they have a much higher fitality rate?

    Many of these statistics coming out of less reliable countries may be their inability to test and track rather than dileberate lies.

    I asked the same question earlier but it wasn’t picked up by anyone. The only conclusion I have is that it could lead to less sanctions on the country. Well, that’s what they’re hoping for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Leo was on the phone to Xi - psst don't test and you have no cases, heard it here first

    It really is just unbelievable that there is only 4 new cases in the rest of China while Italy is the pariah of Europe

    11 million unable to leave their apartments for 2 months.
    Rewards to tell on your neighbour if they are infected.
    Quarantine centres that are illegal to not go to if you are infected.
    Instant incineration for bodies.
    Welding infected into their own apartments.
    Buying flu medicine can get you reported to police.
    40,000 medical staff brought in from other provinces.
    All flights transport and private vechiles grounded.
    All communication blocked/monitored so very little info.
    All public gatherings banned.
    Spraying of roads/air with disinfectant and fishing banned cause of the crapnin the water.
    Governors with 'bad' stats replaced with governers with better stats.

    I'm not at all surprised with the numbers. I just think WE haven't started seeing the real numbers yet....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Any word from Runaways has he still got both arms and legs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    There's an awful lot of mights and maybes in your links. For good reason. Nobody has any reliable idea of the long term effects of this virus yet. Which is not surprising, as nobody has any idea what's going to happen tomorrow either. Idle speculation is unhelpful.



    This is not an over reaction at all.

    Incidentally, bar some pockets of anomalies over a few years here and there, every single long term trend, on a whole world basis, for every conceivable quality of life measure is positive and has been since the end of WWII. The bad things are all reducing: poverty, famine, starvation. The good and "good" increasing: access to clean drinking water, obesity, life expectancy, electricity connections, access to pointless technology which allows for the posting of hysteria on teh interwebs, etc.

    Although perhaps it's better for the rest of us and our children when the tin-foil hat brigade decide not to procreate.

    Every article referenced there refers to a medical study.
    Not peer reviewed yet, it not rubbished either.
    Educate yourself. The virus attaches/attacks via ACE2 receptors.
    They are more prevalent in the lungs, kidneys and testes.
    Even mild (asymptomatic) cases have lesions left behind, that's how they know the kids had the disease.

    SO much is unknown it's a bit premature to be calling someone a tin foil hat just because you don't like what they're saying. Especially when what they are saying is based on medical articles published (though not enough time to peer review yet)

    So, yeah.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Every article referenced there refers to a medical study.
    Not peer reviewed yet, it not rubbished either.
    Educate yourself. The virus attaches/attacks via ACE2 receptors.
    They are more prevalent in the lungs, kidneys and testes.
    Even mild (asymptomatic) cases have lesions left behind, that's how they know the kids had the disease.

    SO much is unknown it's a bit premature to be calling someone a tin foil hat just because you don't like what they're saying. Especially when what they are saying is based on medical articles published (though not enough time to peer review yet)

    So, yeah.

    Please read the post again. I didn't call BlindJustice, the poster who had the links a tin foil hat.


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    There's an awful lot of mights and maybes in your links. For good reason. Nobody has any reliable idea of the long term effects of this virus yet. Which is not surprising, as nobody has any idea what's going to happen tomorrow either. Idle speculation is unhelpful.

    idle speculation, this is a discussion forum, no? Alot of that information stems from work researchers and doctors. Hardly the makey uppey pub talk its being treated as. You have basically told me to stop talking about the whole thing and dismissed it out of hand.

    No idea whats going to happen tomorrow?, well one thing is for sure and its that the world wide numbers are hardly going to go down tomorrow now are they?
    You are right about how we dont know anything about the long term effects of the virus. Hopefully the relapse stuff is just poor testing. But until we know more its best to err on the side of caution, no?


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