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Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    MadYaker wrote: »
    They can’t just randomly label things like that. They have a system of grading outbreaks based on data, number of cases etc. This outbreak is currently one level below pandemic. Science ya know?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143061/

    Pandemic Influenza Preparedness and Response: A WHO Guidance Document.
    The WHO pandemic phases were developed in 1999 and revised in 2005. The phases are applicable to the entire world and provide a global framework to aid countries in pandemic preparedness and response planning. In this revision, WHO has retained the use of a six-phased approach for easy incorporation of new recommendations and approaches into existing national preparedness and response plans.
    ?report=objectonly
    Phase 4 is characterized by verified human-to-human transmission of an animal or human-animal influenza reassortant virus able to cause “community-level outbreaks”. The ability to cause sustained disease outbreaks in a community marks a significant upwards shift in the risk of a pandemic

    Phase 5 is characterized by human-to-human spread of the virus into at least two countries in one WHO region. While most countries will not be affected at this stage, the declaration of Phase 5 is a strong signal that a pandemic is imminent and that the time to finalize the organization, communication, and implementation of the planned mitigation measures is short.

    ?report=objectonly

    Phase 6, the pandemic phase, is characterized by community level outbreaks in at least one other country in a different WHO region in addition to the criteria defined in Phase 5. Designation of this phase will indicate that a global pandemic is under way.

    was their definition of a pandemic before they changed it last weekend..
    They are giving the wealthy investors time to dump their stocks..

    https://www.dw.com/en/investors-flee-from-controversial-pandemic-bonds-with-coronavirus-set-to-trigger-payout/a-52539926

    In June 2017, the World Bank — the international financial institution that provides loans to poorer countries — sold around $425 million (€391 million) worth of bonds and derivatives aimed at providing financial support to developing countries facing the risk of a pandemic.

    The idea behind the bonds was to place some of the risk for low-income countries of a pandemic onto the financial markets, rather than their own governments' budgets. Investors who bought the bonds would only lose money if certain trigger conditions relating to a pandemic were met.

    If those conditions are triggered, the bonds are not repaid in full and the money is used instead to help tackle the crisis in developing countries.

    The growing coronavirus outbreak around the world has prompted many of the investors who bought up the bonds to sell them off, as it looks increasingly likely that the conditions for the bonds not to be paid back will be met.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    wadacrack wrote: »
    345 being hospitalized out of 821 in Italy, would be a worry for hospitals here

    Plus 64 ICU


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,113 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Aer Lingus cabin crew to self isolate for 14 days (not confirmed cases) - the plane that brought the woman from NI back


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    wadacrack wrote: »
    345 being hospitalized out of 821 in Italy, would be a worry for hospitals here

    I agree - that's over 40% of those discovered as infected needing hospitalisation. They won't be able to keep that up if the numbers continue to grow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    wadacrack wrote: »
    345 being hospitalized out of 821 in Italy, would be a worry for hospitals here

    Italy confirmed cases has now risen to 888 according to Reuters


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Italy in big trouble now with those numbers


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Yeah but it’s not as bad as it seems:

    So nearly 50% of known cases require hospitalisation, that's incredible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    I wonder if the huge number of patients in Italy experiencing complications is due to how old it's population is compared to China. The average Italian is almost a decade older than the average Chinese person


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Doesn't anybody read this thread before they post the link that's being posted several times already!

    I've read shorter books


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    Cupatae wrote: »
    How? sur the people that work in hospitals would naturally tell there own family and social media... no chance of keeping it under wraps.

    Okay, let's wait and see


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Peatys


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    I've read shorter books

    You'd be amazed at how little some people have to be doing


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    So nearly 50% of known cases require hospitalisation, that's incredible.

    Worrying , but that may represent a % of the most severely affected while many are undiscovered or walking it off , nevertheless it will have a huge impact . It will become apparent over the next week if this is worthy of the Chinese reaction .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Italy confirmed cases has now risen to 888 according to Reuters

    Is an age group break down available, I know the well known doctor in China was young but I wonder is it mainly old and people with prior conditions being affected. I also read that very few children are catching the virus, which is good in that children can spread viruses easily due to poor hygiene.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]




    i wouldn't have time to read the whole tread, who on earth does that

    Me!

    I hate jumping to the end and not knowing how I got there.

    See ya at the final page ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Ipso wrote: »
    Is an age group break down available, I know the well known doctor in China was young but I wonder is it mainly old and people with prior conditions being affected. I also read that very few children are catching the virus, which is good in that children can spread viruses easily due to poor hygiene.

    There is no link between age and contracting the virus. It is how the body deals with the virus once contracted where age becomes important, very few young people experience dangerous complciations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Doesn't anybody read this thread before they post the link that's being posted several times already!

    It's a very fast moving thread tbf


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Worrying , but that may represent a % of the most severely affected while many are undiscovered or walking it off , nevertheless it will have a huge impact . It will become apparent over the next week if this is worthy of the Chinese reaction .

    Didn't the WHO say recently that they found no evidence of the "iceberg" in China?

    Only widespread antibody testing will tell us that, but the possibility is alarming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Cupatae wrote: »
    Even slow our health system would be in a heap its been neglected for so long, were reaping what we sow now.

    I disagree, billions have been thrown at it, but intransigent Unions and inefficient management are the root cause IMO.

    Hope all hsp stay safe, they do a great job as individuals/teams.


  • Site Banned Posts: 23 Mr Flicky


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    So nearly 50% of known cases require hospitalisation, that's incredible.

    Italians are known for their weakness and namby pamby ways so it’s no surprise they are unable for it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Worrying , but that may represent a % of the most severely affected while many are undiscovered or walking it off , nevertheless it will have a huge impact . It will become apparent over the next week if this is worthy of the Chinese reaction .
    WHO said that wasn't the case in China. They didn't find any evidence of a hidden Iceberg of patients. Obviously can't be sure, but that would not be a good sign for hospitalisation rates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Worrying , but that may represent a % of the most severely affected while many are undiscovered or walking it off , nevertheless it will have a huge impact . It will become apparent over the next week if this is worthy of the Chinese reaction .

    No true. Bruce Aylward from WHO knocked that on the head already. There is no vast amount of mild symptoms undetected. They hoped there was.

    The 80/16/4 ratio are pretty exact.

    And he warned the CFR would be higher in the west.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    It's a very fast moving thread tbf

    Thread is moving faster than the virus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Didn't the WHO say recently that they found no evidence of the "iceberg" in China?

    Only widespread antibody testing will tell us that, but the possibility is alarming.

    As are the multiple reports of either relapse or reinfection.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Doesn't anybody read this thread before they post the link that's being posted several times already!
    Are you kidding?
    This thread is going faster than a speeding bullet. There's no way posters can keep up.
    So chill a bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    is there any good news at all today?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭tromtipp


    A scary thing about the figures from Iran (even the official ones, never mind the ones now being reported) is that there doesn't seem to have been any attempt to close mosques so there will have been crowds getting together all day for Friday prayers. That's a real boost to opportunities for infection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    froog wrote: »
    is there any good news at all today?

    Harry and Meghan are still in Canada.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Me!

    I hate jumping to the end and not knowing how I got there.

    See ya at the final page ;)
    There will be a final page?
    Who will be alive to read it? :eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,025 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    froog wrote: »
    is there any good news at all today?

    Some of us made it to the future.


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