Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

Beasty wrote: »

If everyone stopped flights it may be different but can anyone believe they will stop all flights across the World for something that may (and I emphasise may) result in less deaths than seasonal flu?

It's not so far fetched anymore, if you had have told me I could have ever seen a flightradar over China like I saw a few short weeks ago I would have said you're insane. And that was with the WHO telling the rest of the world to not to do it too.

turbbo wrote: »

"On 31 January, the first two cases of COVID-19 were confirmed in Rome. Two Chinese tourists, who arrived in Milan on 23 January via Milan Malpensa Airport and travelled to Rome on a tourist bus, tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 and were hospitalised in Lazzaro Spallanzani National Institute for Infectious Diseases"

"On 6 February, one of the Italians repatriated from Wuhan, China tested positive for COVID-19, bringing the total number of cases in Italy to three."

"The Lombardy outbreak came to light when a 38-year-old Italian tested positive for COVID-19 in Codogno, the province of Lodi, Lombardy. Previously, he met a friend who had returned from China on 21 January 2020. On 14 February, he felt unwell and went to a doctor in Castiglione d'Adda. He was prescribed treatments for influenza"

I guess stopping flights was a really dumb idea and caused it all. FFS the mind boggles.

Not tracing the people who were on the bus from Milan to Rome caused the problem. Ditto the activity of the friend from China. Ditto the failure of the doctor on 14 February to check for coronavirus.

It seems that our HSE and the Health Service in the North are all over such issues and so far are doing a better job than the Italians did. I am aware of two suspected cases and the efforts that went in to tracing the contacts while the test results were awaited. Both were negative by the way.

Cupatae wrote: »

Do you actually think their are 0 cases in Ireland? talk about burying your head in the sand lol if a woman treked thru dublin with it there is a fair chance there are undiscovered cases.

They may not be known but if i was a betting man...

There are probably other cases in Ireland. If there are, those who have symptoms and haven't gone to the doctor, most probably younger people who seem to only get a mild version, will be the ones responsible.

the butcher wrote: »

But the other point basically verges on - It's coming here anyway, why plunge us immediately into a economic downturn and take what you see as drastic measures to close us off to these high risk areas for a few weeks. You say it could be months...but all the experts are coming out saying that there is a natural peak and decline from these events. Should we try wait out the natural peak?

I know it sounds like, "Let's let people die so that we can continue to make money from people moving in and out of the country". I'm trying think about the impact of travel restrictions beyond the end of the virus.

If we were looking at insane infection and mortality rates, like 10-15% in healthy people and 30-40% in vulnerable categories - you know, bubonic plague level - then yeah I'd saying, "Fvck everything, close everything, let's live on rations for the next year and rebuild our economies afterwards".

But that's not where we are. It's not that deadly a virus, which means a balancing act is needed. If we tank our economy in an effort to hold back this virus, then how many people will die in the depression that follows? When we're trying to deal with a health system that has collapsed under the pressure, government income cut in half, unemployment rates of 25%+ and medicine shortages because supply chains have dried up, how many people will die? And will it be less than the numbers who will die from coronavirus?

As harsh as it is to reduce people to numbers, this is basically what we have to do. People are going to die. We have to choose the course of action that minimises it as much as possible over the long-term. That's basically what quarantine is about - potentially letting fifty people die in isolation to avoid 50,000 dying because the infection escaped.

Cupatae wrote: »

considering we live on an island aswell be interesting to get supplies...with all travel shut down lol

Keep cargo travel going obvs.
It's PEOPLE (bug carriers) we need to restrict for a while..

Can everyone stop quoting the flier please it's a waste of space, thanks.

The Geneva Motor Show has been postponed by six months, following Switzerland’s ban on large gatherings. Organisers said it had become “increasingly difficult” for delegates to arrange visas, or fix flights to the show, given the escalating crisis over Covid-19.

odyssey06 wrote: »

You can keep cargo routes open and restrict commercial flights.
You can keep routes open from certain locations and not other.

* not saying we should, but we could impose restrictions on some routes etc it doesn't have to be all or nothing

Would make no difference at all, how are people still making that argument????

Say we closed down routes in northern Italy a few days ago, the thousands of Irish people in northern Italy that were holidaying (of which the case in NI is apparently one), would have still have to of come home. They all would have

• Commuted to another airport a flew home through there
• Got a connecting flight through somewhere that wasn’t closed and come home that way
• Drove to a ferry in France and come home that way, ect ect

There were thousands of Irish citizens in italy over mid term, are people suggesting that we lock them out of the country indefinatly? Even though few if any have the virus

brick tamland wrote: »

Would make no difference at all, how are people still making that argument????

Say we closed down routes in northern Italy a few days ago, the thousands of Irish people in northern Italy that were holidaying (of which the case in NI is apparently one), would have still have to of come home. They all would have

• Commuted to another airport a flew home through there
• Got a connecting flight through somewhere that wasn’t closed and come home that way
• Drove to a ferry in France and come home that way, ect ect

There were thousands of Irish citizens in italy over mid term, are people suggesting that we lock them out of the country indefinatly? Even though few if any have the virus

What about Italians coming here?