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Ninthlife · 26-02-2020 10:00AM

Ludo wrote: »

Really? Google "winter 2019 trolley nhs". This is not a uniquely Irish problem. This winter the problem was particularly bad due to the bad flu going round and then the election made it such a big issue.

It is really not clearer: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/

They only say to isolate if you have been to the special quarantine zones. Or unless you have been to other areas of Northern Italy AND have symptoms. Very similar to here.

Sky News had Public Health England Medical Director being interviewed. They are telling people who have been in any affected country to self isolate.

HSE say carry on till your sick

IRFU want to pack a few thousand potentially infected people into a stadium in the capital

Exclamation Marc · 26-02-2020 10:00AM

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

The irfu want a specific reason to cancel the game?are they having a laugh or what.

Completely understandable. If the tourists are not prohibited from being in the country, why can't they attend a game? This doesn't stop them wandering around the city. They're going to pack up en masse elsewhere in the city. They're sure as hell not going to disperse individually to remote locations.

To cancel a rugby game without any reasonable logic or separate measures is pure grandstanding. What about gigs? Parades? Why is the rugby the target? Plenty of people from affected countries arriving here without issue. Its bizarre from Harris to target one single event like its the only risk.

Ludo · 26-02-2020 10:06AM

Ninthlife wrote: »

Sky News had Public Health England Medical Director being interviewed. They are telling people who have been in any affected country to self isolate.

HSE say carry on till your sick

IRFU want to pack a few thousand potentially infected people into a stadium in the capital

I actually posted the link to their advice above in the post you quoted. It says:
"to other parts of northern Italy (anywhere north of Pisa, Florence and Rimini), Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos or Myanmar since 19 February and have a cough, high temperature or shortness of breath"...i.e. carry on till your sick.

They may be changing that now but that makes it less clear if they say one thinkg on Sky but another on their official website.
Yet the Irish are the only ones with a problem :rolleyes:

TomSweeney · 26-02-2020 10:07AM

Morning from Barcelona, I already noticed metro and streets emptier this morning .... from 1 case

Can you imagine it in a weeks time when we have ~1000 cases and ~100 deaths !!!

Literally the end of the world is coming ...

DrumSteve · 26-02-2020 10:07AM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Completely understandable. If the tourists are not prohibited from being in the country, why can't they attend a game? This doesn't stop them wandering around the city. They're going to pack up en masse elsewhere in the city. They're sure as hell not going to disperse individually to remote locations.

To cancel a rugby game without any reasonable logic or separate measures is pure grandstanding. What about gigs? Parades? Why is the rugby the target? Plenty of people from affected countries arriving here without issue. Its bizarre from Harris to target one single event like its the only risk.

Rugby is probably the target because it will have the highest concentration of Italians.

DrumSteve · 26-02-2020 10:09AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Morning from Barcelona, I already noticed metro and streets emptier this morning .... from 1 case

Can you imagine it in a weeks time when we have ~1000 cases and ~100 deaths !!!

Literally the end of the world is coming ...

Easy there, sure SK has 1200+ cases since this started and 12 deaths so far.

Ninthlife · 26-02-2020 10:09AM

Ludo wrote: »

I actually posted the link to their advice above in the post you quoted. It says:
"to other parts of northern Italy (anywhere north of Pisa, Florence and Rimini), Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos or Myanmar since 19 February and have a cough, high temperature or shortness of breath"...i.e. carry on till your sick.

They may be changing that now but that makes it less clear if they say one thinkg on Sky but another on their official website.
Yet the Irish are the only ones with a problem :rolleyes:

Its on the yellow breaking news ticker tape on Sky News.

Im not saying its uniquely an Irish issue but some consistency across neighbouring countries might be of help. They have been watching this develop in China so having a joint plan especially in the EU wouldnt be too far a stretch.

CBear1993 · 26-02-2020 10:10AM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Completely understandable. If the tourists are not prohibited from being in the country, why can't they attend a game? This doesn't stop them wandering around the city. They're going to pack up en masse elsewhere in the city. They're sure as hell not going to disperse individually to remote locations.

To cancel a rugby game without any reasonable logic or separate measures is pure grandstanding. What about gigs? Parades? Why is the rugby the target? Plenty of people from affected countries arriving here without issue. Its bizarre from Harris to target one single event like its the only risk.

Just a thought; they’re playing Italy.

timmyntc · 26-02-2020 10:10AM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Completely understandable. If the tourists are not prohibited from being in the country, why can't they attend a game? This doesn't stop them wandering around the city. They're going to pack up en masse elsewhere in the city. They're sure as hell not going to disperse individually to remote locations.

To cancel a rugby game without any reasonable logic or separate measures is pure grandstanding. What about gigs? Parades? Why is the rugby the target? Plenty of people from affected countries arriving here without issue. Its bizarre from Harris to target one single event like its the only risk.

Because it's a mass gathering specifically involving people from an area at risk.
There are definitely far more infected in northern italy than reported also, given that the infection has spread to quite a few countries with Northern Italy as the source.

Fr_Dougal · 26-02-2020 10:11AM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

There's also a mask v respirator distinction that has to be made. Your bog standard surgical masks are generally useless (ie the ones with straps and cover part of your face that just block your mouth and nose).

The n95 and ffp3 respirators are quite good at protecting people. They generally have small valves to let air out so they don't build up with moisture. The concern with those masks though is complacency, that people wearing them think they're fully immune or people who don't remove them properly and clean the front when taking them off. Those masks in tandem with good hand washing and healthy practices are effective in materially reducing risk. Not removing it, sure, but good reduction of risk.

And the N95 masks are the equivalent of a P2 mask over here.

drunkmonkey · 26-02-2020 10:12AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It could well be for insurance reasons.

I checked with my insurance company yesterday what happens if I need to close the business due to coronavirus, I'm covered for loss of trading for 3mts but it needs to closed by the state/hse/council etc not my own concerns. Harris needs to call it one way or they other, businesses won't be covered for self isolating.

TheAnalyst_ · 26-02-2020 10:13AM

timmyntc wrote: »

Because it's a mass gathering specifically involving people from an area at risk.
There are definitely far more infected in northern italy than reported also, given that the infection has spread to quite a few countries with Northern Italy as the source.

They'll still be flying over and hanging out in the same few temple bar pubs. Serie A games involving teams from those areas are still happening as away fixtures.

Unearthly · 26-02-2020 10:13AM

2nd confirmed case in Madrid less than 24 hours. Champions league match tonight there as well

A Knight of Ireland · 26-02-2020 10:13AM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

this sounds bit racist and probably not even true

I wasn't being racist. I was stating a fact which I witnessed. You can call McQuillians yourself and ask them:mad:

Ludo · 26-02-2020 10:14AM

Ninthlife wrote: »

Its on the yellow breaking news ticker tape on Sky News.

Im not saying its uniquely an Irish issue but some consistency across neighbouring countries might be of help. They have been watching this develop in China so having a joint plan especially in the EU wouldnt be too far a stretch.

Ah come on now. They are obviously updating theit policy as we speak. Website not even updated yet and you expect the HSE to immediately ape them before it is even updated? Seriously?

And joint plan in EU? then why bring UK into it. They ain't in the EU.

TheAnalyst_ · 26-02-2020 10:15AM

Unearthly wrote: »

2nd confirmed case in Madrid less than 24 hours. Champions league match tonight there as well

Ha, exaxtly. Juventus are playing away in Lyon and will be bringing a decent bunch of fans. That is the exact same scenario.

A Knight of Ireland · 26-02-2020 10:17AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Don't even need to look at the post history, look at the user name.

Whats wrong with me username? If we were to all be judged on our username, you would be some Billy Ray Cyrus loving gob****e. Now lets stay on the topic

pc7 · 26-02-2020 10:18AM

All the new European cases seem to have come from northern Italian contact, is that due to the reason the virus was circulating freely (asymptomatic?) in that population likely for a few weeks(hence the cluster). People left and traveled and now showing symptoms? Just trying to get my head around it.

Ninthlife · 26-02-2020 10:20AM

Ludo wrote: »

Ah come on now. They are obviously updating theit policy as we speak. Website not even updated yet and you expect the HSE to immediately ape them before it is even updated? Seriously?

And joint plan in EU? then why bring UK into it. They ain't in the EU.

I expect the HSE not to tell people returning from an affected area to just carry on til you get sick.

Self quarantine has been talked about since it started in China so its nothing new

No youre being pedantic over member states. EU, EEA or just part of Europe as a geographical area

Some joint thinking on handling the issue isnt a mammoth task

SusanC10 · 26-02-2020 10:22AM

pc7 wrote: »

All the new European cases seem to have come from northern Italian contact, is that due to the reason the virus was circulating freely (asymptomatic?) in that population likely for a few weeks(hence the cluster). People left and traveled and now showing symptoms? Just trying to get my head around it.

Have the Italian Authorities found Patient Zero for Italy yet ?

Sweet.Science · 26-02-2020 10:23AM

Why isnt the airport in lockdown?

Lashes28 · 26-02-2020 10:23AM

One dead in France another case confirmed also

pc7 · 26-02-2020 10:24AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Have the Italian Authorities found Patient Zero for Italy yet ?

No clue, its just seems mad how far its spreading from one cluster.

pc7 · 26-02-2020 10:25AM

Ha ha don't let the thread listen to Pat Kenny he just said the known death rate is 2%, boards thread explodes lol

Exclamation Marc · 26-02-2020 10:25AM

CBear1993 wrote: »

Just a thought; they’re playing Italy.

Gee thanks. I hadn't thought of that.

You're missing the point entirely. If a cluster of Italians in Ireland is the problem, this action (in isolation) just serves to move the problem from a stadium in Ballsbridge to somewhere else in the capital as they'll be crammed in to pubs restaurants, hotels, clubs etc. It alone, makes little sense. Some sort of hope that people with flights and hotels booked will just decide not to travel is delusional.

a_squirrelman · 26-02-2020 10:26AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How about retail workers there in direct contact with people constantly. How are they meant to know who has and hasn't it.

Same as the rest of us, you can't know.

Wash your hands regularly, and don't touch your face.

SeaBreezes · 26-02-2020 10:26AM

Interesting Site here, where they graph cases in China, and outside China.
By 'winter' countries and 'summer/equatorial' countries..

https://nucleuswealth.com/articles/updated-coronavirus-statistics-cases-deaths-mortality-rate/

wadacrack · 26-02-2020 10:27AM

The new NCP coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days then how can one know if he/ she is infected ?
Latest information is that the incubation period may be upto 28 days before the symptoms of COVID 19 are evident.

By the time a person has fever and/or cough and goes to the hospital, the lungs are usually 50 % Fibrosis and it's too late !

Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning ;

Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds.
If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stuffiness or tightness , etc , it proves there is no fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicating no infection.

In critical times, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air!

SERIOUS EXCELLENT ADVICE by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases. Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat is moist, never DRY.
Take a few sips of water every 15 mins at least.
WHY ?
Even if the virus does enter into your mouth...drinking water or other liquids will WASH them down through your oesophagus and into the stomach.
Once there , your stomach ACID’s will kill all the virus.
If you don't drink enough water more regularly...the virus can enter your windpipes and into the LUNGS.
That's very dangerous.

Ludo · 26-02-2020 10:29AM

Ninthlife wrote: »

I expect the HSE not to tell people returning from an affected area to just carry on til you get sick.

Self quarantine has been talked about since it started in China so its nothing new

No youre being pedantic over member states. EU, EEA or just part of Europe as a geographical area

Some joint thinking on handling the issue isnt a mammoth task

Coz you know better than the HSE and the NHS?
I'm sorry but I find no advice anywhere from NHS to self isolate if back from any part of northern Italy unless you are sick. Latest from Guardian even:

The medical director of Public Health England, Paul Cosford, has confirmed that the health agency is not advising that English schools shut over fears of a coronavirus outbreak. He told the Today programme on BBC Radio 4 on Wednesday morning:

Schools have to take difficult decisions given the complexity of issues that they are facing.

What I would say is that our general advice is not to close schools.

What we are clear about is if you have been in the area of northern Italy of concern and you have symptoms - it is a cough, shortness of breath or fever - then you do need to self-isolate, you need to phone NHS 111 and await advice for further assessment or testing.

Of course if you’ve been to one of the specific towns that are identified by the Italian government and essentially closed down, then our advice and requirement is to self-isolate anyway.

Public Health England was available to talk to schools about their “specific circumstances” and “help them make the right decisions for them”, he said.

Runaways · 26-02-2020 10:30AM

It’s posts like that which prove people are really dumb and believe everything they read on Facebook (the one above yours ludo, sorry)

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