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Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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  • #1532
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    It's really bizarre people attempting to downplay this. Have they actually been following whats going on in China since early January?


  • #1533
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,384 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Sean 18 wrote: »
    All these people saying it's like flu no it is not there's a vaccibt for the flu theirs a lot on Ireland on dialysis and receiving cancer treatment at least their somewhat protected from the flu with the vaccine there's no protection against this

    I agree Sean.

    My concern is about the impact on the health system, even if (fingers crossed) the death rate is low, we could see our hospitals in trouble.


  • #1534
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,852 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Main reason is that I believe that mortality of the virus is overstated at the moment. Containment strategies like cancelling the Italy game will reduce the spread of the virus which will reduce acute overwhelming of the HSE.

    Secondly. We actually do have a great health service. The fact that we should have an even better health service for the money is a discussion for another day.

    We have one the highest health care professional/ capita ratios in the world.

    There are plans in place in hospitals (all around the country) to deal with virus if/when it arrives. Just because the general public doesn't hear about it doesn't mean it's not happening.

    The fact that we are coming into summer is also a bonus as viral illnesses decrease during the summer months as we are not so closely packed together.

    A simple press and broadcast statement from the HSE Spokesperson stating the bolded would work a little wonder in reassuring the general public, don't you think.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #1535
    Candamir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    I've a family member who works within the HSE.

    Look online I've no time to explain it to you.

    As above.

    Ask your family member what a tracheal aspirate involves.


  • #1536
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    froog wrote: »
    please read stuff carefully before you post. that 6.8% figure is from patients presenting with both flu and pneumonia. i.e the serious cases. most flu cases do not lead to pneumonia.

    I quoted article it came from. I made no comment myself.


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  • #1537
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Not necessarily, we have seasonal flu each year, which has a high death toll, unfortunately.

    Pandemic is a new disease that spreads globally, yet does not necessarily cause high rates of deaths as flu.

    Now, I hear that the WHO has changed their definition of pandemic, at just this point in time, to make the definition worthless.

    A pandemic is a disease or virus epidemic, in more than 1 continent, its as clear as day action needs to be taken


  • #1538
    Sean 18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Sean 18


    That's the scary part they can't even manage the vomiting bug


  • #1539
    Sean 18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Sean 18


    That's the scary thing they can't even manage the vomiting bug


  • #1540
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    random_banter wrote: »
    Here's an easy to understand example. People who are immunosupressed are very vulnerable to this virus according to all reports. For example, I have a good friend (a young person) with Lupus (an auto-immune disease) and resulting Kidney Disease. For this person, catching the coronavirus could be fatal.

    Those comparing this with the flu aren't taking into account the amount of vulnerable people who are able to take action and protect themselves by getting the flu vaccine. There is no vaccine for this and we have been told that it is highly contagious.

    This friend needs to travel for kidney dialysis to a major hospital x3 times per week. It's going to be very hard for this person to self isolate and try to avoid catching this when their life already depends on access to dialysis, at a hospital would could end up full of people with this virus. As someone who cares about this person, this makes me concerned, too.

    It's a stressful current event for anyone in a vulnerable situation.

    Thanks for that. Much appreciated. Hope your friend is not affected.


  • #1541
    Galadriel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Galadriel


    joe_99 wrote: »
    I quoted article it came from. I made no comment myself.

    Well that's worse! don't quote a random article if you have no 'opinion' on it or if you do not stand behind it. :confused:


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  • #1542
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Last time i checked a pandemic is worse than an epidemic

    For reasons of applying data. The seasonal flu is considered epidemic which is probably where this is heading. Initially it may be a pandemic but it'll settle into the same groove as the seasonal flu (if it gets there).


  • #1543
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    Was talking to an experienced front line nurse. They have had no guidance or instructions on a potential outbreak in Ireland.


  • #1544
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    Galadriel wrote: »
    Well that's worse! don't quote a random article if you have no 'opinion' on it or if you do not stand behind it. :confused:

    It is good to present data from CDC


  • #1545
    Dave0301
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    Galadriel wrote: »
    Well that's worse! don't quote a random article if you have no 'opinion' on it or if you do not stand behind it. :confused:

    It is easier to do that than admit he was wrong :pac:


  • #1546
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,384 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    It's really bizarre people attempting to downplay this. Have they actually been following whats going on in China since early January?

    I know.

    It's a difficult line to express, between hyping this up and downplaying to the point of dangerous compliancy.

    Personally, I've been following this story for a while now, and have expressed my level of concern.

    I'm no expert, but I'm concerned, personally, for my loved ones in the older age bracket.


  • #1547
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fr336 wrote: »
    What are you basing this conclusion on?

    Based on if it has the mutational values of the seasonal flu.


  • #1548
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    Dave0301 wrote: »
    It is easier to do that than admit he was wrong :pac:

    I presented data from CDC. I made no comment on it.


  • #1549
    Dave0301
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    joe_99 wrote: »
    It is good to present data from CDC

    Not when the data is misrepresented.


  • #1550
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    joe_99 wrote: »
    It is good to present data from CDC
    You completely misrepresented the data, though.


    If you can't understand it, it might be best not to post it.


  • #1551
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    joe_99 wrote: »
    It is good to present data from CDC

    You quoted the CDC site not the healthline article first


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  • #1552
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,384 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    babybuilder wrote: »
    Was talking to an experienced front line nurse. They have had no guidance or instructions on a potential outbreak in Ireland.

    Really? I bet a lot of front line workers must be concerned.


  • #1553
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    Dave0301 wrote: »
    Not when the data is misrepresented.

    By article not by CDC which is the interesting data that helps put context on debate


  • #1554
    Galadriel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Galadriel


    joe_99 wrote: »
    It is good to present data from CDC

    Yep, sure, fire away, have at it, eventually someone will believe the figures you keep 'quoting'.


  • #1555
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    Galadriel wrote: »
    Yep, sure, fire away, have at it, eventually someone will believe the figures you keep 'quoting'.

    The CDC is a trusted body in my eyes


  • #1556
    Dotsie~tmp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭Dotsie~tmp


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    Dave0301 wrote: »
    That value of 6.8% is just for that week...Once the flu season ends, it will probably drop down to about 0.1% for all closed cases.

    Using that logic, the case fatality rate for COVID-19 is 9% right now. However, it will be lower than that once all the cases are closed.

    What Dave is saying is that all virus lethality its expressed as a curve. A changing value of x (deaths per division, day for example) over y (time). At any one point in y, x (deaths) can vary wildly. But will always increase from zero, and return, eventually to zero.

    The actual area under the curve is the dead and can be averaged over the outbreak. This actual lethality can only ever be know AFTER the outbreak is over.


  • #1557
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Dazzler, assuming the death rate is at your upper limit of 1%, how many times more deadly is that then the flu? I know a vaccine would bring it down further.


  • #1558
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    babybuilder wrote: »
    Was talking to an experienced front line nurse. They have had no guidance or instructions on a potential outbreak in Ireland.

    There will be a lengthy enquiry in the aftermath

    System failure

    Nobody will be found guilty


  • #1559
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    https://twitter.com/RTE_PrimeTime/status/1232427454662348800

    He says we don't have huge evidence asymptomatic transmission is occuring.

    It has been confirmed that it is occurring https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-confirmed-patients-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-without-showing-symptoms

    What a disgrace people coming back from affected area's should be in qurantine for up to now at least 21 days maybe 30 if they are coming from an affected doesnt't matter if they are not showing any symptoms


  • #1560
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    joe_99 wrote: »
    The CDC is a trusted body in my eyes
    You didn't take the data from the CDC, you took it from some idiots (I don't care that it was supposedly "fact checked" by an MD) who misunderstood the CDC data.


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  • #1561
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Really? I bet a lot of front line workers must be concerned.
    Yes they are. And this person has nothing but contempt for the HSE apparatchiks including the man at the helm. And as usual you get the FG/FF cheerleaders spouting that there's nothing to worry about.


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