Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

JaCrispy · 25-02-2020 05:14PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

I wouldnt say it's the biggest crisis (Climate Change is), but once we get through the initial stages of this, it'll become clearer what the survival rates are.

If it stays at a 9% fatality rate, we are well and truly ****ed.

I reckon it'll go to 4%, even then that is a huge casualty rate.

The fatality rate is currently between 3-4%. Reading some of the garbage in this thread is more damaging to my health than COVID-19

gmisk · 25-02-2020 05:14PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Closed cases

Where?
I see approx 2707 out of roughly 80k cases on most sites.

Coillte_Bhoy · 25-02-2020 05:15PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Told to stay quiet by who exactly?

SeaBreezes · 25-02-2020 05:15PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1232334790998753281?s=19

Well Fe*k.

auspicious · 25-02-2020 05:16PM

lunamoon wrote: »

If people aren't showing symptoms for up to 2 weeks after exposure what's the point in screening them at airports?

Some might be displaying symptoms though. If even one person is identified as a carrier and isolated thereby preventing a potential 'super-spreader' within our borders, isn't it worth it?
Less risk to us and especially frontline health staff .

DominoDub · 25-02-2020 05:17PM

The Irish Government need to issue a statement like this NOW with lots of people just back or coming back from Italy post midbreak

The four chief medical officers across the UK have updated their health advice for travellers returning from certain countries.

Anyone who has arrived in the UK from Iran, specific areas in Northern Italy and South Korea, plus the Hubei province in China, since 19 February is now advised to stay indoors and avoid contact with other people.

This guidance has been issued to people even if they do not have symptoms

brevity · 25-02-2020 05:17PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

It's all well and good saying the deaths only appear to be affecting elderly and immune compromised people but ANYONE can get it and spread it around.

Don't the elderly deserve to live? What about that 40 year old who is undergoing chemo? They've been told that their chances of surviving cancer are high only to get knocked down by Covid-19! Are they just cannon fodder too?

It's already been shown that super spreaders can be asymptomatic so telling people only to self isolate if they show symptoms is a ****ing cop out and it boils my blood.

Has the HSE bothered to update their website yet?

:mad:

Dead right. I’m on a immunosuppressant for a number of conditions. I’m sure there are others in a similar position.

turbbo · 25-02-2020 05:18PM

JaCrispy wrote: »

The fatality rate is currently between 3-4%. Reading some of the garbage in this thread is more damaging to my health than COVID-19

4% is still massive thats 1 dead in every 50 ffs!! I personally don't believe this will happen - but who knows? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

25-02-2020 05:18PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Told to stay quiet by who exactly?

I've no idea.

macwal · 25-02-2020 05:18PM

Beasty wrote: »

What would you do with ferries? What if we then see food shortages?

We'll have to open the organic soy beans that have been in the cupboard for years.

phantom_lord · 25-02-2020 05:19PM

JaCrispy wrote: »

The fatality rate is currently between 3-4%. Reading some of the garbage in this thread is more damaging to my health than COVID-19

And it's ~0.2% for healthy people under 40.

The risk is to older people, and those with preexisting health issues.

My main concern is possible disruption.

DrumSteve · 25-02-2020 05:19PM

phantom_lord wrote: »

And it's ~0.2% for healthy people under 40.

The risk is to older people, and those with preexisting health issues.

My only concern is possible disruption.

My concern is the older people in my life who have health conditions being okay.

Larbre34 · 25-02-2020 05:20PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Told to stay quiet by who exactly?

By feckin nobody of course. Bloody scaremongering.

JaCrispy · 25-02-2020 05:20PM

turbbo wrote: »

4% is still massive thats 1 dead in every 50 ffs!! I personally don't believe this will happen - but who knows? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's the people who are confirmed to have COVID-19. It is widely accepted that many many more people have already been infected but are only displaying minor symptoms.

turbbo · 25-02-2020 05:22PM

phantom_lord wrote: »

And it's ~0.2% for healthy people under 40.

The risk is to older people, and those with preexisting health issues.

My main concern is possible disruption.

FFS thats still a massive group of people! Over 40 and not healthy.
It will be more than disruption.

I see sheep · 25-02-2020 05:22PM

It's in Tenerife so it'll be in every big city in Europe in a week I reckon

macwal · 25-02-2020 05:22PM

turbbo wrote: »

4% is still massive thats 1 dead in every 50 ffs!! I personally don't believe this will happen - but who knows? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Last time I did a math, 1 in 50 was 2%...

Minime2.5 · 25-02-2020 05:23PM

Is is possible to be infected and never know you had it

tara73 · 25-02-2020 05:23PM

Drumpot wrote: »

"These people (China) really care about their population" Dr Bruce Aylward

In short he explained what sort of resources he saw himself and that you are actually safer to get the virus in China then anywhere else because they are investing huge resources for their people.

Still Live now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF6AZv8P3i4

Mindset issues:

- Mindset Shift
- Communities accepting Quarantine and isolation
- Materially, are we ready to isolate that many people

"But we have to overcome it"..

this guy keeps on rambling rambling and rambling. :eek: tried to listen to him, not possible for 5 minutes.

think it's a tactic to get people in 5 minutes to only have the urge to run away from it and don't ask questions or getting anything from what he's saying..job done from the WHO.

BLIZZARD7 · 25-02-2020 05:23PM

JaCrispy wrote: »

That's the people who are confirmed to have COVID-19. It is widely accepted that many many more people have already been infected but are only displaying minor symptoms.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1232334790998753281?s=19

...

Coillte_Bhoy · 25-02-2020 05:24PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

By feckin nobody of course. Bloody scaremongering.

Exactly, same as Examiner talking about 'senior sources', if i was told to stay silent id be shouting from the rooftops about it

macwal · 25-02-2020 05:24PM

gmisk wrote: »

World war z?

Not seen that one...

Is it a good reference?

turbbo · 25-02-2020 05:24PM

JaCrispy wrote: »

That's the people who are confirmed to have COVID-19. It is widely accepted that many many more people have already been infected but are only displaying minor symptoms.

Minor symptoms over what period? Do those symptoms improve or get worse?
There are a lot of questions that we simply don't know yet. What we do know is preventative measures work and stop the spread.

JaCrispy · 25-02-2020 05:25PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1232334790998753281?s=19

...

How can you find evidence of undetected mild cases? Isn't that a complete contradiction?

SeaBreezes · 25-02-2020 05:26PM

JaCrispy wrote: »

That's the people who are confirmed to have COVID-19. It is widely accepted that many many more people have already been infected but are only displaying minor symptoms.

WHO's Bruce Aylward says that the #Covid19 mission did not find evidence of lots of undetected mild cases. If that's true, the severity of the illness is what is being seen now.

IgCorcaigh post this not 2 pages back?

turbbo · 25-02-2020 05:26PM

macwal wrote: »

Last time I did a math, 1 in 50 was 2%...

Feck I meant 2 in every 50 woops :rolleyes:
May aswell break it down to 1 in every 25 when I'm there now.

25-02-2020 05:26PM

turbbo wrote: »

4% is still massive thats 1 dead in every 50 ffs!! I personally don't believe this will happen - but who knows? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

mortality rate said to be higher in people with poor numeric skills.

gmisk · 25-02-2020 05:26PM

macwal wrote: »

Not seen that one...

Is it a good reference?

For that posters ideas yes.
The book is better

Drumpot · 25-02-2020 05:27PM

Beasty wrote: »

What would you do with ferries? What if we then see food shortages?

I think the best course of action is plan for it spreading and how we are going to address food shortages etc, if we arent going to take any meaningful action to prevent the spread.

It looks like there is no way of stopping this, just slowing it down. Thats what I take from WHO's message. So the common sense approach would be to start setting up the infrastructure (including communication) that you are going to set up.

In that WHO conference he was talking about "War" and in time of War you move resources to priority areas. So prepare for the disease and how you plan on getting it under control. Include in that process of making sure that people can self isolate ( and get food/etc) and preferably get back to work or normal life within a few weeks.

Apparantly "The data that we have suggests that there is not this massive Asymptomatic transmission" . . "But remember we have only known this disease for 7 weeks".

Asked why he is not wearing a mask "I dont have Covis19 and I never had any exposure, no contact with patients or contacts, we washed our hands every few seconds, he wore masks when we were there". "We had our meals in our own closed rooms. If we went to the CDC, they had one person at a table and you had to shout at each other." In short they kept 2 metres apart distance . . Very Interesting to listen to. "Because I was going out through Beijing, when I got off the train, I had a swab and it was negative". " It comes back to a science and evidence based approach to what we are doing". "I am not going to put a mask between me and people here if I dont think there is a risk"

"Only 4% of Covid19 cases have a runny nose"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF6AZv8P3i4

In fairness, hes answering all questions, really worth listening to anybody who wants to here some informed information.

JaCrispy · 25-02-2020 05:27PM

turbbo wrote: »

Minor symptoms over what period? Do those symptoms improve or get worse?
There are a lot of questions that we simply don't know yet. What we do know is preventative measures work and stop the spread.

You're missing the point. The people who don't present at GPs or hospitals are not on the official "infected" lists. Regardless of the symptoms the number of infected people is most likely significantly higher than the official figures.

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