Caroline Flack found dead

Boggles · 20-02-2020 2:04pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Like I said, people are discussing the circumstances around her arrest and charge. As well as the prosecution’s case as laid out in the hearing.

I never said she was guilty of anything, as you stated.

But it’s okay. I won’t hold it against you.

Sure

:pac:

One eyed Jack · 20-02-2020 2:15pm

Wombatman wrote: »

Innocent until proven guilty right?

You are aware that’s a legal principle that has no standing outside of the legal system?

People are perfectly entitled to make what judgements they like and draw what conclusions they like about other people on the basis of whatever takes their fancy. It may or may not be true, but because this isn’t a court of law our opinions have no legal effect, so you can relax with the innocent until proven guilty nonsense.

Wombatman · 20-02-2020 2:26pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You are aware that’s a legal principle that has no standing outside of the legal system?

People are perfectly entitled to make what judgements they like and draw what conclusions they like about other people on the basis of whatever takes their fancy. It may or may not be true, but because this isn’t a court of law our opinions have no legal effect, so you can relax with the innocent until proven guilty nonsense.

Not when you are throwing around proven accusations online as if they are fact.

At least the worst of the tabloids will stick in the word alleged in front of attacker.

Sport the difference:

Flack assaulted Burton.
Flack allegedly assaulted Burton.

retro:electro · 20-02-2020 2:27pm

Hammer88, why did you delete your post that said they were both drunk?

stoneill · 20-02-2020 2:31pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You are aware that’s a legal principle that has no standing outside of the legal system?

People are perfectly entitled to make what judgements they like and draw what conclusions they like about other people on the basis of whatever takes their fancy. It may or may not be true, but because this isn’t a court of law our opinions have no legal effect, so you can relax with the innocent until proven guilty nonsense.

Unfortunately newspapers know this and its all guilty until proven innocent in a lot of cases with them.

One eyed Jack · 20-02-2020 2:36pm

Wombatman wrote: »

Not when you are throwing around proven accusations online as if they are fact.

At least the worst of the tabloids will stick in the word alleged in front of attacker.

Sport the difference:

Flack assaulted Burton.
Flack allegedly assaulted Burton.

I’m well aware of the difference - I’m speaking in layman’s terms, they’re speaking in legal terms.

Boggles · 20-02-2020 2:38pm

stoneill wrote: »

Unfortunately newspapers know this and its all guilty until proven innocent in a lot of cases with them.

The gutter scum don't actually care about facts, they care about revenue.

It's part of their business model to get sued. It's factored in.

People should watch the McCann documentary on Netflix if can just to see how the absolute pond scum operate and how they can manipulate and destroy people.

Leveson went to great lengths to highlight the treatment the McCann family were subjected to by the filth.

Some of the reporting of the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz in Portugal in May 2007 was, Leveson says, "outrageous". A number of newspapers were "guilty of gross libels", with the Daily Star singled out for its headline claiming the McCanns sold their child: "Maddie sold by hard up McCanns".

That's what they are dealing with.

Wombatman · 20-02-2020 2:41pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I’m well aware of the difference - I’m speaking in layman’s terms, they’re speaking in legal terms.

Can defame someone in layman’s terms I wonder?

One eyed Jack · 20-02-2020 2:50pm

Wombatman wrote: »

Can defame someone in layman’s terms I wonder?

You can’t defame the dead.

Galwayguy35 · 20-02-2020 2:55pm

Whitmore seems to be milking this for all it's worth on her Twitter.

Hannibal_Smith · 20-02-2020 3:07pm

retro:electro wrote: »

I thought it was you but then questioned myself because of your thread ban. And since it was deleted I had no way to double check.

The only sources I can see which states they were intoxicated are The Sun and The Daily Mail, is this where you got your info?

I’m not saying they were or they weren’t. I genuinely don’t know.

Will edit my post to your name now.

Maybe double check before you start calling out posters to incite a row.

retro:electro · 20-02-2020 3:13pm

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Maybe double check before you start calling out posters to incite a row.

It’s pretty hard to double check when the post was whipped away as soon as it was posted.

And I didn’t realise asking a question was “inciting a row”.

Another one who could write for The Sun.

20-02-2020 3:18pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Whitmore seems to be milking this for all it's worth on her Twitter.

She's now whinging about being followed by the Pap yet turns up at the Brit awards in a newspaper dress happily posing for the paps.
She

She's spent plenty of time lauding how hard her boyfriend has had it.

Flacks Family hasn't gotten a mention on her twitter

She is as bad as the tabloid press imho. Zero dignity.

Boggles · 20-02-2020 3:18pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Hammer88, why did you delete your post that said they were both drunk?

It's actually Hammer89.

But anyway. Maybe stop calling out posters, you are clearly shít at it. :pac:

retro:electro · 20-02-2020 3:21pm

Boggles wrote: »

It's actually Hammer89.

But anyway. Maybe stop calling out posters, you are clearly shít at it. :pac:

Noted :pac:

Would still like to know where he got his info, however.

Or she. Lest I be accused of misgendering next.

Anything to deflect from actually having to answer the question.

Hannibal_Smith · 20-02-2020 3:22pm

retro:electro wrote: »

It’s pretty hard to double check when the post was whipped away as soon as it was posted.

And I didn’t realise asking a question was “inciting a row”.

Another one who could write for The Sun.

If you can't double check, dont mention a poster. I dunno...thats kinda simple really.

The vast majority of your posts to those that don't agree with you end in a little snide remark.

Hannibal_Smith · 20-02-2020 3:25pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Noted :pac:

Would still like to know where he got his info, however.

Or she. Lest I be accused of misgendering next.

Anything to deflect from actually having to answer the question.

You asked why it was deleted. The poster explained. They also directed you in how to find the information for yourself.

The poster is banned from the thread. They cant respond to you any more.

retro:electro · 20-02-2020 3:26pm

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

If you can't double check, dont mention a poster. I dunno...thats kinda simple really.

The vast majority of your posts to those that don't agree with you end in a little snide remark.

Sorry now but you accused me of inciting a row for asking a question.

And if you believe that then feel free to use the report post button.

retro:electro · 20-02-2020 3:27pm

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

You asked why it was deleted. The poster explained. They also directed you in how to find the information for yourself.

The poster is banned from the thread. They cant respond to you any more.

Fair enough. I just can’t find any info on it that doesn’t come from The Sun or The Daily Mail.. and they would hardly be using that as their source would they? Since not 24 hours ago that same poster called out The Sun for sensationalising and mass manipulation. That would be strange.

Not saying they weren’t, I just can’t find anything concrete.

FullMoonFever · 20-02-2020 3:49pm

0127647 wrote: »

She's now whinging about being followed by the Pap yet turns up at the Brit awards in a newspaper dress happily posing for the paps.
She

She's spent plenty of time lauding how hard her boyfriend has had it.

Flacks Family hasn't gotten a mention on her twitter

She is as bad as the tabloid press imho. Zero dignity.

Laura W is playing the victim in all of this and milking it to boost get own profile.

She has increased her Instagram following by 150k since taking the love island job!

Boggles · 20-02-2020 4:11pm

I see the incels have acquired a new target.

Galwayguy35 · 20-02-2020 4:14pm

0127647 wrote: »

She's now whinging about being followed by the Pap yet turns up at the Brit awards in a newspaper dress happily posing for the paps.
She

She's spent plenty of time lauding how hard her boyfriend has had it.

Flacks Family hasn't gotten a mention on her twitter

She is as bad as the tabloid press imho. Zero dignity.

Yeah saying she wanted privacy in a fookin airport!

Tork · 20-02-2020 4:20pm

Or maybe she's trying to save herself from the slavering social media mob? Even though she didn't do anything wrong with taking the presenting job (I bet CF would've done the same if the roles had been reversed), she knows it wouldn't take much for them to turn on her.

FullMoonFever · 20-02-2020 4:40pm

If you court the media to promote your brand and post your every move to social media don't play the victim when someone takes your photo in a public place.

FullMoonFever · 20-02-2020 4:41pm

Boggles wrote: »

I see the incels have acquired a new target.

incel?

I take that as an attempted insult.

#Bekind

Shelga · 20-02-2020 5:01pm

Had a quick look at Laura Whitmore’s Instagram there, and my god, could feel my brain cells dying by the second. Like Caroline, almost every single picture is just of her, dolled up to the nines, looking like she’s spent two hours getting her hair and makeup done.

Maybe the photographer guy went too far by getting pictures of her and boyfriend during what was presumably an emotional reunion, but how does she not have the self-awareness to see the parallels between the endless vacuous ****e she churns out, and the endless vacuous ****e that’s printed in the tabloids. It’s all just fodder for clicks and advertising space, and anyone who has ever read an article on the Daily Mail has some level of culpability, I include myself in that.

I actually looked at her Instagram because I was maybe going to defend her, but she has chosen to make her livelihood dependent on people gobbling up her own brand of crap. I’m sure that photographer thinks the same about his job.

Boggles · 20-02-2020 5:20pm

Shelga wrote: »

Like Caroline, almost every single picture is just of her, dolled up to the nines, looking like she’s spent two hours getting her hair and makeup done.

Isn't that basically literally everyone's instagram feed?

As in they put up the best of themselves.

You have hardly stumbled on a revelation now have you?

Shelga · 20-02-2020 5:26pm

Boggles wrote: »

Isn't that basically literally everyone's instagram feed?

As in they put up the best of themselves.

You have hardly stumbled on a revelation now have you?

I’m not used to quite that level of vanity, no. It’s kind of nauseating. I don’t follow people I know, and I don’t follow people who just put up pictures of themselves. I follow people I find interesting, who have something to say about the world.

Boggles · 20-02-2020 5:32pm

Shelga wrote: »

I’m not used to quite that level of vanity, no. It’s kind of nauseating.

But you are at least aware that's what people do, put up the best of themselves.

It's basically an extension of people putting up framed pictures.

You don't put up the picture of that time you threatened to kill the kids because you couldn't hear the match.

Shelga wrote: »

I don’t follow people I know, and I don’t follow people who just put up pictures of themselves. I follow people I find interesting, who have something to say about the world.

Like who?

Shelga · 20-02-2020 5:36pm

Boggles wrote: »

Like who?

Anyone from chefs, politicians, authors I like, TV shows I like, comedians, local cafes, all the usual funny memes, singers, sportspeople. I don’t mean to sound like some self-righteous plonker, but Instagram doesn’t have to be for following endless lines of airheads flogging weight loss teas and advertising Boohoo.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 20-02-2020 5:54pm

Shelga wrote: »

I’m not used to quite that level of vanity, no. It’s kind of nauseating. I don’t follow people I know, and I don’t follow people who just put up pictures of themselves. I follow people I find interesting, who have something to say about the world.

Yeah, I rarely put up selfies where I look my prettiest. If I’m posting a selfie, generally I’m gurning or joking or with a loved one. Putting up photos of just myself being all posey, I just find weird. And yeah, I don’t follow people who do that either.

Shelga · 20-02-2020 6:20pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Yeah, I rarely put up selfies where I look my prettiest. If I’m posting a selfie, generally I’m gurning or joking or with a loved one. Putting up photos of just myself being all posey, I just find weird. And yeah, I don’t follow people who do that either.

It's just cringey beyond belief to me when someone's entire life is putting up photos of themselves looking pretty. I think, are you not embarrassed putting that up! I never post anything myself, I have a slightly weird thing about privacy these days. Again, I happily scroll mindlessly, I'm hardly saying I'm above Instagram. Sure I'm posting on boards right now! :pac: Hate having pictures of myself online though.

It's hard not to relate the levels of narcissism displayed by Caroline Flack in her Instagram and media appearances with a deterioration in her mental health. If your entire life is your image and how you look, it follows on that in your mind, the publicity about your assault is the most massive thing ever.

I can only imagine the stress she endured, it truly must have been horrific. But for most people it was something they might have chatted about for 20 seconds on their break at work- no one died, she didn't kill anyone- people and the media would have moved on within a year or two. And like others have said, the public love a comeback.

It's extremely sad that she felt the only solution was something so devastatingly permanent. I suppose it's been on my mind this week, like many others, because of the questions it raises about social media, self-promotion and their impact on mental health.

FullMoonFever · 20-02-2020 6:31pm

Shelga wrote: »

It's just cringey beyond belief to me when someone's entire life is putting up photos of themselves looking pretty. I think, are you not embarrassed putting that up!

This is the crazy thing, they post these selfies for the attention and for the press coverage. More followers equates to more free merchandise and more money.

Now it seems these influencers want to have their cake and eat it.

They want to post their lives to Instagram but God forbid anyone should post a comment or write an article that is in any way critical of their public posting. If you do then you are labelled a troll and a bully.

It's all so vapid and soulless.

Shelga · 20-02-2020 6:43pm

FullMoonFever wrote: »

It's all so vapid and soulless.

Vapid and soulless is exactly what it is.

Hannibal_Smith · 20-02-2020 7:11pm

Some of the celebs are posting some of the comments they're getting. Ashley Banjo retweeted one the other day that said 'You tw*t'

Thats beyond saying something critical.

Even on this forum there are rules about what you can and cannot say and some of them were inplementedin this thread.

I dont think any celebrity is obliged to put up with sh*t like that, regardless of the contents of their social media (unless their social media is name calling in itself obviously).

FullMoonFever · 20-02-2020 7:18pm

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Some of the celebs are posting some of the comments they're getting. Ashley Banjo retweeted one the other day that said 'You tw*t'

Thats beyond saying something critical.

Even on this forum there are rules about what you can and cannot say and some of them were inplementedin this thread.

I dont think any celebrity is obliged to put up with sh*t like that, regardless of the contents of their social media (unless their social media is name calling in itself obviously).

Nobody is saying anyone should have to put up with personal insults or name calling.

But there is a massive hypocrisy in people equating criticism to trolling or requesting privacy one moment and courting the media the next.

Without the tabloids a lot of these influencers wouldn't have careers.

Hannibal_Smith · 20-02-2020 7:29pm

FullMoonFever wrote: »

Nobody is saying anyone should have to put up with personal insults or name calling.

But there is a massive hypocrisy in people equating criticism to trolling or requesting privacy one moment and courting the media the next.

Without the tabloids a lot of these influencers wouldn't have careers.

I think a lot of them accept that criticism is part and parcel of the job. You couldn'tbe in the public eye and think you'll avoid it.

Its the trolling and the intrusion they have a problem with.

Tabloids have been at it for decades. The problem is as long as their pages get clicked and their papers are purchased, nothing will change.

Quantum Erasure · 20-02-2020 7:32pm

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Some of the celebs are posting some of the comments they're getting. Ashley Banjo retweeted one the other day that said 'You tw*t'.

and then the inevitable twitter pile on... its the circle,

the circle of life

retro:electro · 20-02-2020 7:33pm

Do celebrities think they’re the only people who get trolled? There are assholes in all walks of life unfortunately. No one is immune.

Hannibal_Smith · 20-02-2020 7:39pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

and then the inevitable twitter pile on... its the circle,

the circle of life

Some of them are biting back now though.

Boggles · 20-02-2020 8:09pm

Shelga wrote: »

Anyone from chefs, politicians, authors I like, TV shows I like, comedians, local cafes, all the usual funny memes, singers, sportspeople. I don’t mean to sound like some self-righteous plonker, but Instagram doesn’t have to be for following endless lines of airheads flogging weight loss teas and advertising Boohoo.

Yip, most if not all of them are doing exactly what Whitmore is doing.

Flogging their wares on social media. It's advertising. Pure and simple.

A consideration for some football clubs before signing a player now is how much of a presence does a player have on social media, bigger presence equals more $$$.

Absolutely no difference between an "airhead" flogging jeans or the likes of Pogba flogging jerseys.

ChikiChiki · 20-02-2020 8:22pm

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Some of the celebs are posting some of the comments they're getting. Ashley Banjo retweeted one the other day that said 'You tw*t'

Thats beyond saying something critical.

Even on this forum there are rules about what you can and cannot say and some of them were inplementedin this thread.

I dont think any celebrity is obliged to put up with sh*t like that, regardless of the contents of their social media (unless their social media is name calling in itself obviously).

Even Simon Harris was jumping on the bandwagon having rightly been criticised for being a poor health minister.

retro:electro · 20-02-2020 8:38pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

and then the inevitable twitter pile on... its the circle,

the circle of life

It’s just redirecting the hate. Now everyone has found out who the twitter twat guy is and are abusing him.

Why would you even be offended by some sad randomer calling you a twat anyway. Just block them and move on with your life.

1800_Ladladlad · 20-02-2020 10:59pm

The irony. Whitmore and her fella telling a person not to photograph them while videoing them. Iv seen this done before by celebs or an indication to followers to harass and abuse as they know to well the follower will locate the person in question on all platforms and harass them. "Two wrongs don't make a right" but in many cases like this an exception ism ane because of the celeb is the "victim", so on and so forth. This was one photographer, not several. This is part of the life she chose. . . . Candice Brown in the comments with the thoughts and prayers.

https://twitter.com/thewhitmore/status/1230473611733016578

Hannibal_Smith · 20-02-2020 11:11pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Even Simon Harris was jumping on the bandwagon having rightly been criticised for being a poor health minister.

Well, there's a level of engagement thats acceptable. Like I say, there are even rules here determining how you should interact with each other. There's criticism and then there's clear abuse.

Im sure plenty of FG candidates got ear bashings on the campaign trail. Im sure they accepted that. But there's a level below that that is childish and unnecessary. And shouldn't be acceptable.

ChikiChiki · 20-02-2020 11:14pm

I'm finding LW's behaviour quite bizarre since. It's a weird kind of bubble these celebrities seem to live in that they don't see the irony. She could have quietly not made a big deal about it instead of posting it on twitter.

Basically opening up the pap to attacks from the mob.

Jinglejangle69 · 20-02-2020 11:18pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Even Simon Harris was jumping on the bandwagon having rightly been criticised for being a poor health minister.

WTF has Simon Harris got to do with this thread??

You're touched man.

Take it to the politics forum seriously..

FullMoonFever · 20-02-2020 11:18pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'm finding LW's behaviour quite bizarre since. It's a weird kind of bubble these celebrities seem to live in that they don't see the irony. She could have quietly not made a big deal about it instead of posting it on twitter.

Basically opening up the pap to attacks from the mob.

LW sees this whole thing as an opportunity to lead some sort of #metoo type movement against the press.

The lack of self awareness is comical.

This is a woman who quotes her own inspirational quotes FFS.

hetuzozaho · 20-02-2020 11:38pm

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

The irony. Whitmore and her fella telling a person not to photograph them while videoing them. Iv seen this done before by celebs or an indication to followers to harass and abuse as they know to well the follower will locate the person in question on all platforms and harass them. "Two wrongs don't make a right" but in many cases like this an exception ism ane because of the celeb is the "victim", so on and so forth. This was one photographer, not several. This is part of the life she chose. . . . Candice Brown in the comments with the thoughts and prayers.

https://twitter.com/thewhitmore/status/1230473611733016578

Yeah like it must have been day one of school, two wrongs don't make a right. Treat someone as you'd like to be treated.

Whitmore and o dowd (retweeted with a message) missed those days I guess. Sad they can't put down the twitter machine for a bit.

Mwengwe · 20-02-2020 11:41pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'm finding LW's behaviour quite bizarre since. It's a weird kind of bubble these celebrities seem to live in that they don't see the irony. She could have quietly not made a big deal about it instead of posting it on twitter.

Basically opening up the pap to attacks from the mob.

I'm not Laura Whitmore's biggest fan, she and her followers live in a different universe to me, but maybe she's acting 'bizarre' because her friend just died.

Caroline Flack found dead

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