RTE Bias

Better Than Christ · 19-02-2020 07:04PM

dotsman wrote: »

Are you telling me you are not aware of the whole pro-palestine, anti-isreal stance of Sinn Fein? Are you serious?

Are you telling me that you think criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism are the same thing?

dotsman · 19-02-2020 07:10PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Being critical of Israeli policies is not anti-Semitism.

Actually, completely siding with any one side in the Isreali/Palestine conflict is very much anti-something!

Being critical of Isreali policy is fine. In fact, being critical of any policy is fine. But when one is blatantly anti-Israeli and has collaborated with terrorist organisations who specifically want to ethnically cleanse areas of jews, and when your TD's spout anti-jewish conspiracies, one cannot hide behind "being critical of Israeli policies is not antisemitism".

The far-left has a long and deep history of antisemitism.
The nationalist terrorism in Ireland has a long and deep history of antisemitism.

You might want to read up on unbiased sources of our own history if you want to get a better understanding.

The Tetrarch · 19-02-2020 07:11PM

buried wrote: »

But sure every political party doesn't like it when their members go rouge and start making a show of themselves.

That is Mary Lou.

Millicently · 19-02-2020 07:11PM

I have to laugh at the absolute naivety of people who voted for Sinn Fein actually believing the horse manure that was being peddled. Yeah, sure they're going to deliver loads of cheap houses and loads of Social Housing, hire thousands of nurses, restore the full rate of Social Welfare for younger claimants blah blah blah. You'd have to be a complete numpty to have bought into that. I can't wait to see them fail to deliver on anything at all, if it wasn't for the annual payment from Westminster Northern Ireland would be massively in debt. People who voted for them probably expect to get a free baby unicorn to go with the Council house, Dole increase etc etc.

Tony EH · 19-02-2020 07:12PM

dotsman wrote: »

Actually, completely siding with any one side in the Isreali/Palestine conflict is very much anti-something!

Being critical of Isreali policy is fine. In fact, being critical of any policy is fine. But when one is blatantly anti-Israeli and has collaborated with terrorist organisations who specifically want to ethnically cleanse areas of jews, and when your TD's spout anti-jewish conspiracies, one cannot hide behind "being critical of Israeli policies is not antisemitism".

The far-left has a long and deep history of antisemitism.
The nationalist terrorism in Ireland has a long and deep history of antisemitism.

You might want to read up on unbiased sources of our own history if you want to get a better understanding.

Ahem, I'll repeat, being critical of Israeli policies is not anti-Semitism.

And it never will, no matter how much you wish for it.

jmayo · 19-02-2020 07:13PM

Better Than Christ wrote: »

It's looks like an embarrassing attempt at aping the (ultimately successful) efforts of the UK media to smear Jeremy Corbyn as an 'anti-Semite'.

Are you from Kildare North by any chance?

Tony EH wrote: »

Being critical of Israeli policies is not anti-Semitism.

What about when you refer to employees of the Israeli embassy as monkeys ?

Ulysses Gaze · 19-02-2020 07:14PM

Better Than Christ wrote: »

It's looks like an embarrassing attempt at aping the (ultimately successful) efforts of the UK media to smear Jeremy Corbyn as an 'anti-Semite'.

They "smeared" Labour, rightly, as a party riven with Anti-Semitism that Corbyn failed to address.

Not that he himself was a raving Anti-Semite.

smurgen · 19-02-2020 07:20PM

dotsman wrote: »

Are you telling me you are not aware of the whole pro-palestine, anti-isreal stance of Sinn Fein? Are you serious?

Pro Palestine is a bad thing? Jesus wept

mulbot · 19-02-2020 07:20PM

jmayo wrote: »

Are you from Kildare North by any chance?

What about when you refer to employees of the Israeli embassy as monkeys ?

How is comparing a person to a monkey being anti semitic?

smurgen · 19-02-2020 07:24PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

If you believe there’s something untoward at play then complain to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland.

There isn’t though. SF are now playing county hurling and are subject to the same scrutiny as any other party. Should have picked better candidates tbh.

So fine Gael has a minister that has had a case against her constitutant quashed and it's barely been mentioned by rte. Do you thing this is fair? A minister interference in the judicial process?

buried · 19-02-2020 07:29PM

Millicently wrote: »

I have to laugh at the absolute naivety of people who voted for Sinn Fein actually believing the horse manure that was being peddled. Yeah, sure they're going to deliver loads of cheap houses and loads of Social Housing, hire thousands of nurses, restore the full rate of Social Welfare for younger claimants blah blah blah. You'd have to be a complete numpty to have bought into that. I can't wait to see them fail to deliver on anything at all, if it wasn't for the annual payment from Westminster Northern Ireland would be massively in debt. People who voted for them probably expect to get a free baby unicorn to go with the Council house, Dole increase etc etc.

If SF can do something about the housing aspect, which is very attainable and can be done, they could be in power for a long long time. This country was able to build houses for people when the state had literally nothing in the way of capital or infrastructure in the 40's & 50's for example, and the two parties who did that program of state sponsored housing builds were FF & FG. This had a lot to do with these two parties being so popular up until the 2000's. People voted for these parties because they were able to offer state housing, actually provided it for peoples parents, grandparents and people loved them for it. All in a time when there was literally no money. This is what FF & FG have forgotten. Their own past. Their own responsibility to the electorate in a Republic. If Sinn Fein do what FF/FG did in the past, do it for a new generation coming up, they could be in power for decades. And if that happens, well then the current milieu in RTE are well and truly f**ked.

Patrick2010 · 19-02-2020 07:34PM

buried wrote: »

If SF can do something about the housing aspect, which is very attainable and can be done, they could be in power for a long long time. This country was able to build houses for people when the state had literally nothing in the way of capital or infrastructure in the 40's & 50's for example, and the two parties who did that program of state sponsored housing builds were FF & FG. This had a lot to do with these two parties being so popular up until the 2000's. People voted for these parties because they were able to offer state housing, actually provided it for peoples parents, grandparents and people loved them for it. All in a time when there was literally no money. This is what FF & FG have forgotten. Their own past. Their own responsibility to the electorate in a Republic. If Sinn Fein do what FF/FG did in the past, do it for a new generation coming up, they could be in power for decades. And if that happens, well then the current milieu in RTE are well and truly f**ked.

Where will all the money for these houses come from?

buried · 19-02-2020 07:38PM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Where will all the money for these houses come from?

Where it always came from, me and you. Better than the current state of things where one hospital in Dublin spirals in costs up to, what is it now 30+million? And things like printers for Leinster house that cost up to 2 million that they cant even get in the door. Our tax money is being abused in all sorts of realms, abuse that is causing harm to our very state. Better it goes to things that bring back stability, such as housing for the future.

Titclamp · 19-02-2020 07:41PM

It's taken you this long to know who runs the MSM? Of course they're going to keep this type of crap being main news.

ted1 · 19-02-2020 07:41PM

ShylockWept wrote: »

I'm not an SF person. I didn't vote SF. I will never vote SF.

But why is the following front page of the RTE website: https://www.rte.ie/

Jewish council condemns 'offensive comments' by Sinn Féin TD Réada Cronin

This does not deserve front page coverage. why is RTE so anti SF?

I do not pay my license fee to fund this sort of political bull****.

Quit the conspiracy thinking.

It also happened FF: https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/tweets-emerge-of-ff-senator-lorraine-clifford-lee-repeatedly-using-offensive-term-pikey-38685870.html

And FG. : FG candidate apologises over asylum seeker comments

Millicently · 19-02-2020 07:49PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

They "smeared" Labour, rightly, as a party riven with Anti-Semitism that Corbyn failed to address.

Not that he himself was a raving Anti-Semite.

Corbyn not an Anti-Semite?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3561337/As-Labour-anti-Semitism-row-deepens-revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-s-pet-charity-funded-Palestinian-festival-hate-children-dressed-terrorists-acted-murdering-Jews.html

That's just one article there are many articles out there, although you won't find them in the Guardian, the Times, Independent etc. The facts remain the same regardless of what the name of the newspaper is. Corbyn is a notorious Anti-Semite. Don't even get me started on that SF fookwit who flew the Palestinian flag over government buildings. Or Katherine Zappone, our former minister for Children greeting the son of the head of the Muslim Brotherhood in Europe at Dublin airport with shouts of 'Alluh Ahkbar''

Tony EH · 19-02-2020 07:51PM

Millicently wrote: »

Corbyn not an Anti-Semite?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3561337/As-Labour-anti-Semitism-row-deepens-revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-s-pet-charity-funded-Palestinian-festival-hate-children-dressed-terrorists-acted-murdering-Jews.html

That's just one article there are many articles out there, although you won't find them in the Guardian, the Times, Independent etc. The facts remain the same regardless of what the name of the newspaper is. Corbyn is a notorious Anti-Semite. Don't even get me started on that SF fookwit who flew the Palestinian flag over government buildings. Or Katherine Zappone, our former minister for Children greeting the son of the head of the Muslim Brotherhood in Europe at Dublin airport with shouts of 'Alluh Ahkbar''

Corbyn has spent years fighting against racism of all kinds. Including anti Semitism.

patsy mulcaghy · 19-02-2020 07:53PM

Mad_maxx · 19-02-2020 07:58PM

RTE hates Conservatives but SF simply aren't bourgeois left enough for montrose

They used to pull for Labour but now it's the greens and the soc dems

dotsman · 19-02-2020 08:22PM

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Are you telling me that you think criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism are the same thing?

No, and I never said anything of the sort.

smurgen wrote: »

Pro Palestine is a bad thing? Jesus wept

Being "pro-Palestine and anti-Israel" in the whole context of the brutally violent conflict is a very bad thing.

Tony EH wrote: »

Ahem, I'll repeat, being critical of Israeli policies is not anti-Semitism.

And it never will, no matter how much you wish for it.

But that is not what I said. I am happy to agree that being critical of a policy is not antisemitism, but being anti-Israel while supporting violent anti-jewish terrorists is.

I, myself, am critical of many Israeli policies. But I am not anti-Israeli, nor antisemitic. I am equally critical of many Palestinian policies and abhor the violence committed by both sides.

Arghus · 19-02-2020 08:32PM

SF's political opponents are going to make hay while they can of bringing up every SF verbal gaffe or brain fart, in order to soften their cough.

RTE follows it's nose for where the maximum aggro and drama can be. At the moment it's the stupid stuff some SF'ers have said. I've no doubt that FG and FF are in the ears of political correspondents around Leinster House as we speak.

There was a bull necked and moneyed looking ur-FG TD - Neale Richmond - on the news earlier, speaking very self-righteously about today's controversy. The most interesting part of his spiel was when he said "when is it going to end?"
That's the real narrative. There's going to be an endless stream of stupid stuff SF'ers have said down to the years that's now going to suddenly find it's way into the light at moments of maximum embarrassment.

Well, potential embarrassment. SF are pretty shameless. But they are facing more scrutiny - and rightly so - but we shouldn't be naive about where that scrutiny is coming from.

RTE, while perhaps not being cheerleaders for FG/FF definitely have a working relationship with them. They are a bit warier of SF.

RTE is one thing. The Irish Times is another. I have to laugh at the absolute ejits that come on here and claim that the times is "far left" and other such horseshyte. The election has really shown that baloney up. Every day now the paper is full of anti SF articles, that range from the justifiably skeptical to the downright melodramatic.

Millicently · 19-02-2020 08:34PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Corbyn has spent years fighting against racism of all kinds. Including anti Semitism.

:eek: Nobody could seriously believe that.

ShylockWept · 19-02-2020 08:36PM

Okay

Tony EH · 19-02-2020 08:37PM

Millicently wrote: »

:eek: Nobody could seriously believe that.

Then you don't know what you're talking about. Corbyn was even on anti nazi marches going back as far as the 70's.

Tony EH · 19-02-2020 08:40PM

Arghus wrote: »

I have to laugh at the absolute ejits that come on here and claim that the times is "far left" and other such horseshyte.

"Far Left" is just a term some use for things I don't like. It can be expanded and contracted as they see fit. But never fails to always sound utterly ridiculous.

Hurrache · 19-02-2020 08:42PM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Because blah blah blah....something something something ****.

I would love SF to get into government and to cut RTE funding completely, let them wallow and die. That would surely shut them up.

That's a sign of a civil society alright.

Sinn Fein wanted, or thought they wanted, the limelight of government but it seems their supporters at least aren't willing to accept the spotlight that comes with the role. They'd like to pretend it doesn't exists and you get such nonsene like you in threads like this playing the victim card.

What extreme blinkers you all have, and extremely short memories.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 19-02-2020 08:48PM

ShylockWept wrote: »

RTE should not show such bias - they should be balanced.

Where's the bias, exactly? How is this any different from the story they ran last year about Fianna Fáil senator Lorraine Clifford-Lee's Tweets that were deemed offensive to Travellers?

Hurrache · 19-02-2020 08:51PM

Mike Victorious Ice wrote: »

Where's the bias, exactly? How is this any different from the story they ran last year about Fianna Fáil senator Lorraine Clifford-Lee's Tweets that were deemed offensive to Travellers?

You don't even have to go back that far, Verona Murphy more recently, running for the government party at the time

Bias for these pathetic people is pretty much any story critical of SF or members of SF. It's a bit North Korea, and won't be long before "fake news" creeps into regular usage for them.

Ipso · 19-02-2020 08:51PM

You now have the party that considers Cuba some kind of normal country in a powerful position. It would be hilarious if the consequences weren't so serious.
https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/42586

dotsman · 19-02-2020 08:53PM

ShylockWept wrote: »

But my point is that the story, which is now second in line-up is fake news

Wait a second - "fake news"???

How is it fake news? Are you suggesting RTE made the story up? Or is it that they have twisted the facts to make it appear as something very different to what it is?

How the hell is it "fake news"?

RTE Bias

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